Weakest Class in Solo PvP?

jeedrzej · August 2016

Magicka Dragonknight

I always play as mDK in PVP...
Need buff. But mDK was improved with TG
So I think there will be no buff in near future
It's sad...

Bromburak · August 2016

Magicka Dragonknight

thankyourat wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Nothing can compete stamina 1v1 or solo PvP.

You will barely find a decent Magicka NB getting killed by anyone in 1 vs. 1 if he follows the rule Survival -> DPS.

A player should always ask himself how many 1 vs 1 did he actually survive with his current build and if he won a fight how long was the fight. That's the only way how you improve your build to survive strong players in any competition.

A fight vs. strong players will always take a while and might never end because we both know very well how to play.
Then it's decided by patience, pressure and who is making the first mistake. If I loose, I [snip] this up, nobody else.
I keep track of my fights, if I don't care I don't find out what happened or where to improve in specific.

However, most players don't even care how often they actually die because death doesn't matter in ESO but it should matter for personal statistics because then you start seeing your build and play style from a different perspective.

And a Magicka NB who didn't find his balance between sustain, survival and acceptable DPS is a very bad player.
Since you voted Magicka NB the weakest I am certain that your issue is trading survival for more DPS.

Imo a very bad deal but major cause for most bad NBs out there.

Not dying doesn't mean anything if you don't have enough dps to kill your opponent.

Again, you will not kill decent players in 1 vs. 1 , no matter how hard you try pushing your dps.
But you will make your self a very easy target to kill because you show your weak spots to decent players.

A pure DPS build in 1 vs. 1 only works well when your are playing vs. casuals but you need to stay flexible
and find your balance of sustain and survival on the long run to be prepared instead
underestimating decent opponents.

Wrecking faces of casuals is silly and bad measure.

Top player duels are not decided by quick kills, they decided by sustain and patience.

thankyourat · August 2016

Magicka Dragonknight

Bromburak wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Nothing can compete stamina 1v1 or solo PvP.

You will barely find a decent Magicka NB getting killed by anyone in 1 vs. 1 if he follows the rule Survival -> DPS.

A player should always ask himself how many 1 vs 1 did he actually survive with his current build and if he won a fight how long was the fight. That's the only way how you improve your build to survive strong players in any competition.

A fight vs. strong players will always take a while and might never end because we both know very well how to play.
Then it's decided by patience, pressure and who is making the first mistake. If I loose, I [snip] this up, nobody else.
I keep track of my fights, if I don't care I don't find out what happened or where to improve in specific.

However, most players don't even care how often they actually die because death doesn't matter in ESO but it should matter for personal statistics because then you start seeing your build and play style from a different perspective.

And a Magicka NB who didn't find his balance between sustain, survival and acceptable DPS is a very bad player.
Since you voted Magicka NB the weakest I am certain that your issue is trading survival for more DPS.

Imo a very bad deal but major cause for most bad NBs out there.

Not dying doesn't mean anything if you don't have enough dps to kill your opponent.

Again, you will not kill decent players in 1 vs. 1 , no matter how hard you try pushing your dps.
But you will make your self a very easy target to kill because you show your weak spots to decent players.

But in this game your defense and survivability comes from your dps pool. The harder you hit the stronger your shields, the bigger your heals, and the better your resources. And if you show your weak spots to someone with low dps or someone who sacrifices a good about of dps to place in say his stamina pool, it doesn't matter because he wont be able to kill you cause he doesn't hit hard enough, and eventually you'll burst threw him and win. This game is basically a dps race because everything in the game comes from your dps pool. So yea skilled duelist the duel can take awhile I've been in duels for upwards of 5 to 7 minutes but it will eventually come to a end because someone will mess up. NB duels rarely end in a draw. Open world 1v1 is a different story if the fight is taking too long I just cloak away before the zerg comes

Derra · August 2016

Magicka Dragonknight

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Magic NB and magic DK are tied for last place, IMO.

Glamdring wrote: »

oh i so long for next "dlc" and to give all thoose maulbeth exploiting magplars their ass handed to them.

Can somebody link me to where they said Malubeth was getting nerfed?

I´d put NB ahead bc of the possibility to play ranged builds, shade teleport and the access to movement speed.

In terms of killing power both are absolutely terrible when fighting "skilled" (wow you´re using the right potion and your healing spells) opponents.

boundsy88 · August 2016

Magicka Dragonknight

With malubeth in the game magicka dk solo is damn near impossible. yea we all get that epic 1v6 every now and again, but then u think about if u were on a stam nightblade how u could of finished that 1v6 in under 30 seconds when it took 5 minutes on a mag dk.

This is how u look at the scales between the best and worst solo class.

#balance

TrueGreenSmoker · August 2016

Magicka Dragonknight

Mag Dk I play it alot now a days in PvE (need undaunted) and PvP and i like it but just the damage isnt there my burst comes with a ulti but still fun tho! I like the Mag Dk

RadioheadSh0t · August 2016

Magicka Dragonknight

It's a no-brainer: Magicka DK.

They lack the burst to burn down players quickly, and the mobility to escape when outnumbered.

Aquanova · August 2016

Magicka Dragonknight

Cinbri wrote: »

Those who claim that solo magicka templar is OP, 100% don't play one.
-No solid CC/root capability to hold enemies nearby.
-No mobility, even with mistform(thanks to gapclosers' snare that making mist almost usless vs large groups chasing).
-Worst class sustain(sorry but even 25k BoL won't save you if you out of stamina in open world).
Ofcourse nowdays no magicka templar run solo in open world to pick this option, while majority of DKs were solo-rambos that were nerfed and based on this immersion "1dk can't win 15 enemies anymore" claiming they are worst. Anyone rationally prove that I am wrong?
P.S.: by solo pvp I see 1vX, not 1v1.

Lmao....and other than a CC/root you think mag dk has the other things you've mentioned? Mag templar has better magicka sustain with the rune, passives give higher spell damage, a more reliable gap closer, a 28 meter spammable skill that snares as well as DOT, a mele range skill that heals as well as damages, one of the best executes in the game, the only class purge which can be a high a 5 negative effects. Also, a 25k Bol seems a lot better than dragons blood. As your selected choice is in the minority, I think it is you who should prove the majority wrong!

Bromburak · August 2016

Magicka Dragonknight

thankyourat wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Nothing can compete stamina 1v1 or solo PvP.

You will barely find a decent Magicka NB getting killed by anyone in 1 vs. 1 if he follows the rule Survival -> DPS.

A player should always ask himself how many 1 vs 1 did he actually survive with his current build and if he won a fight how long was the fight. That's the only way how you improve your build to survive strong players in any competition.

A fight vs. strong players will always take a while and might never end because we both know very well how to play.
Then it's decided by patience, pressure and who is making the first mistake. If I loose, I [snip] this up, nobody else.
I keep track of my fights, if I don't care I don't find out what happened or where to improve in specific.

However, most players don't even care how often they actually die because death doesn't matter in ESO but it should matter for personal statistics because then you start seeing your build and play style from a different perspective.

And a Magicka NB who didn't find his balance between sustain, survival and acceptable DPS is a very bad player.
Since you voted Magicka NB the weakest I am certain that your issue is trading survival for more DPS.

Imo a very bad deal but major cause for most bad NBs out there.

Not dying doesn't mean anything if you don't have enough dps to kill your opponent.

Again, you will not kill decent players in 1 vs. 1 , no matter how hard you try pushing your dps.
But you will make your self a very easy target to kill because you show your weak spots to decent players.

But in this game your defense and survivability comes from your dps pool.
The harder you hit the stronger your shields, the bigger your heals, and the better your resources.

Your theory requires that everything is balanced with same parameters given to all players and implemented that way in ESO first. Since this is not the case it makes your defense and survivability situational and it mostly depends on class choice depending on ressource. And here we have the significant difference and main issue in ESO because the strength of a class and your efficiency is decided by the fact if your class choice is harmonizing with your main ressource or not.

Some classes end up with 20-30% of class skills on their bars while other classes provide outstanding morphs independent of ressource and end up with 80% class skills on the bars. It's not a question of fun to play, it's a question what class design has to offer to play efficient enough. A class should not rely on a ressource it should rely on corresponding passives and proper morphs matching to any ressource.

In other words specific classes like NBs have a very strong utility and abilities that make them stay flexible and very efficient in 1 vs. 1 situations. While other classes are highly depend on a specific ressource and ask themselves why the heck they actually chosen their current class.

With that being said and since our original discussion was about Magicka NBs it's pretty silly to say it's the weakest class in PvP because it's the most balanced class independent of ressource choice.

An advantage many others classes are dreaming of.

And if you show your weak spots to someone with low dps or someone who sacrifices a good about of dps to place in say his stamina pool, it doesn't matter because he wont be able to kill you cause he doesn't hit hard enough

It does matter because survival for long lasting fights or ending up in a tie is part of Top player competitions.
As explained already , Top player fights are decided by sustain and patience. Nobody said it's easy to find the perfect balance between sustain and acceptable DPS but it's decisive in Top player duels.

And yes, many DPS junkies only will recognize the importance if this game would provide a knock out round tournament because then death matters.

Lava_Croft · August 2016

MagDK only because 1 out of 10 times Melee MagBlades manage to get Cloak working.

People claiming MagSorcs are weak are probably the same type of people that quit playing MagDK's the moment they weren't ridiculously strong anymore.

Docmandu · August 2016

Mag Sorc and stam blades... rofl... probably coming from the same people that are now malutards.

using broken stuff to compete...

thankyourat · August 2016

Magicka Dragonknight

Bromburak wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Nothing can compete stamina 1v1 or solo PvP.

You will barely find a decent Magicka NB getting killed by anyone in 1 vs. 1 if he follows the rule Survival -> DPS.

A player should always ask himself how many 1 vs 1 did he actually survive with his current build and if he won a fight how long was the fight. That's the only way how you improve your build to survive strong players in any competition.

A fight vs. strong players will always take a while and might never end because we both know very well how to play.
Then it's decided by patience, pressure and who is making the first mistake. If I loose, I [snip] this up, nobody else.
I keep track of my fights, if I don't care I don't find out what happened or where to improve in specific.

However, most players don't even care how often they actually die because death doesn't matter in ESO but it should matter for personal statistics because then you start seeing your build and play style from a different perspective.

And a Magicka NB who didn't find his balance between sustain, survival and acceptable DPS is a very bad player.
Since you voted Magicka NB the weakest I am certain that your issue is trading survival for more DPS.

Imo a very bad deal but major cause for most bad NBs out there.

Not dying doesn't mean anything if you don't have enough dps to kill your opponent.

Again, you will not kill decent players in 1 vs. 1 , no matter how hard you try pushing your dps.
But you will make your self a very easy target to kill because you show your weak spots to decent players.

But in this game your defense and survivability comes from your dps pool.
The harder you hit the stronger your shields, the bigger your heals, and the better your resources.

Your theory requires that everything is balanced with same parameters given to all players and implemented that way in ESO first. Since this is not the case it makes your defense and survivability situational and it mostly depends on class choice depending on ressource. And here we have the significant difference and main issue in ESO because the strength of a class and your efficiency is decided by the fact if your class choice is harmonizing with your main ressource or not.

Some classes end up with 20-30% of class skills on their bars while other classes provide outstanding morphs independent of ressource and end up with 80% class skills on the bars. It's not a question of fun to play, it's a question what class design has to offer to play efficient enough. A class should not rely on a ressource it should rely on corresponding passives and proper morphs matching to any ressource.

In other words specific classes like NBs have a very strong utility and abilities that make them stay flexible and very efficient in 1 vs. 1 situations. While other classes are highly depend on a specific ressource and ask themselves why the heck they actually chosen their current class.

With that being said and since our original discussion was about Magicka NBs it's pretty silly to say it's the weakest class in PvP because it's the most balanced class independent of ressource choice.

An advantage many others classes are dreaming of.

And if you show your weak spots to someone with low dps or someone who sacrifices a good about of dps to place in say his stamina pool, it doesn't matter because he wont be able to kill you cause he doesn't hit hard enough

It does matter because survival and a resulting tie is part of competition as well.

I don't think magblade is the worse PvP class is on a different level than mag dk at least we have a gap closer lol, and whenever dizzying swing doesn't follow me when I teleport to my shade and hits me even though I'm 15m behind the caster, and gap closers stop pulling me out of cloak, magblade will probably be the best magicka class in the game. But all of my abilities are bugged and along with a weakness to CCs and being the squishiest of all the classes it's hard to place magblade over anything but mag dk. Nightblade skills are very balanced but in the grand scheme of things that doesn't matter because the other classes can get things that their class is missing from other skill lines. I still think magblade can function solo it's just not as good as some of the other classes at the moment

Bromburak · August 2016

Magicka Dragonknight

Nightblade skills are very balanced but in the grand scheme of things that doesn't matter because the other classes can get things that their class is missing from other skill lines. I still think magblade can function solo it's just not as good as some of the other classes at the moment

No man, you cannot compare and replace all class utilities by external abilities.
Beside the fact that class choice becomes even more questionable with your statement it sounds like a bad excuse by Wrobel for lack of PvP class morph design.

However, sustain and survival for long lasting fights or ending up in a tie is part of Top player competitions.
All Top player fights are decided by sustain and patience. Nobody said it's easy to find the perfect balance between sustain and acceptable DPS for a class but it's essential in duels and Magicka NBs are in a very good spot here.

Most players only understand the importance of survival if the game would provide weekly knock out round tournaments , then everyone is taking notice and paying attention to negative statistics including own death. Imo the best indicator for PvP knock out leader boards to prove existing class imbalance after several weeks of knock out events.

Cously · August 2016

Magicka Dragonknight

MagDK definately. It shines in gropes but solo I find extremely hard to win fights, surviving is not a problem either so it becomes tiresome tied fights and that wears out after a while.

Armitas · August 2016

Magicka Dragonknight

Cously wrote: »

MagDK definately. It shines in gropes but solo I find extremely hard to win fights, surviving is not a problem either so it becomes tiresome tied fights and that wears out after a while.

Confirmed mDK best grope class ever!

Argonian_Jesus · August 2016

Stamina Nightblade

Buff stamblades, incap hit like wet noodles and stun is too short.

forzajuve212 · August 2016

Magicka Dragonknight

DK patch notes balance changes are up! Look what they did to buff mag dk! We got cinder storm dodge chance and coag blood buff and and....

Dragonknight
Earthen Heart
Igneous Weapons (Molten Weapons morph): Fixed an issue where this morph was not applying the Major Brutality buff to the correct targets.

themdogesbite · August 2016

Magicka Dragonknight

I almost thought that there would be 4 classes in PvP again in this patch instead of 3. Seems like i was wrong.

ZOS_JohanaB · August 2016

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