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The Stonethorn DLC and Update 27 base game patch are now available to test on the PTS! Read the full patch notes here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/categories/pts

Please Zenimax, open your PTS for the next updates

Angelyne
Angelyne
Please, pretty please, dont give keys to
just a few handfull number of streamers who only want to rise up their viewers
just a few ppl who sell that on forums/facebook
just a few ppl who dont care of that game and are just waiting the next MMO

Open it to everyone who have a subscription, everyone who are ready to test it and report bugs, everyone who write addons and play that game daily.

Please ?
Angel-In, Guild Master for Metatrone - French PvP Community
  • bugulu
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    Edited by bugulu on May 28, 2014 2:05PM
  • Angelyne
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    Cool ! TY Jessica

    If i can make 2 other wish = EU localisation (please ? *puppy cat eyes* )
    And fix Caltrops/Siphon exploit in Cyrodiil.

    :D please ? (maybe that will work twice ! :p)
    Angel-In, Guild Master for Metatrone - French PvP Community
  • Turelus
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    We will be, @Angelyne. :)

    This is fantastic news, I much prefer games to have an open test server and environment where players can test features and give structured feedback before deployment.
    @ZOS_JessicaFolsom would it be possible to have a forums section where the development teams could post pinned topics about new features/changes for player testing and feedback?
    This link is the current section of the EVE Online forums where developers are doing that ready for their next release. Yes you will get a bunch of off topic posts and morons screaming about changes without feedback but you will also have a place the teams working on the game can go and look and read the posts by people who invested real time, effort and thought into the testing (and the game has players dedicated enough to do that).
    @Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
    "Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."
  • FunkyBudda
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    We will be, @Angelyne. :)

    good, I guess better late than never.

    I hope Zenimax learned their lesson with Craglorn patch that those that they gave the keys to end up not reporting certain exploits and end up benefiting for themselves (e.g. Kardala farming). These exploits tend to further divide the player base (casual vs hardcore) and create a huge gap in VR levels that's already a grind (yes, even with the new exp change).

    What's even worst is that Zenimax is not punishing the exploiters (those that hit VR12 less than one day is pretty obvious) by letting them keep the VR exp they gained is just another slap to the face for players that play the game normally without exploits. I dont understand the logics in not going after these exploiters, but if u judge how they have done with the bots, I guess it was expected.

  • steveb16_ESO46
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    This is great. But the flip side is;

    Zen have to listen to what is reported, act on it when appropriate and test again before going live.
    Edited by steveb16_ESO46 on May 28, 2014 3:27PM
  • PF1901
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    This is great. But the flip side is;

    Zen have to listen to what is reported, act on it when appropriate and test again before going live.
    Should be normal procedure independently of opening testing phase to a wider audience. No?
  • steveb16_ESO46
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    You'd have thought so.
  • PF1901
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    You'd have thought so.
    :)
  • temjiu
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    Much Appreciated Jessica. Big thanks to all of you who have been working incessantly to respond to customer concerns and to the dev's who have been doing their best to respond to the requests from a design perspective.

    Big step forward. And after reading the Thread on VR, i may end up re-subbing. we'll see what they say in their info release on that :)
  • LonePirate
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    I have heard from a few PTS testers that ZOS often ignores issues reported by them unless the issue is a massive one. Apparently ZOS pays as much attention to the bugs logged by the PTS crew as it pays to the bugs we all log within the game.

    I have learned that if you want a problem fixed, you need to get a topic about pushed to the top of the ESO Reddit forum. Strange but true.
  • One Two
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    Angelyne wrote: »
    Cool ! TY Jessica

    If i can make 2 other wish = EU localisation (please ? *puppy cat eyes* )
    And fix Caltrops/Siphon exploit in Cyrodiil.

    :D please ? (maybe that will work twice ! :p)

    Just in cyrodiil right? hahaha
    Two tears in a Mother!@$&ing Bucket, !@$& it.
    - CT Fletcher
  • terence.caroneb17_ESO
    FunkyBudda wrote: »
    We will be, @Angelyne. :)

    good, I guess better late than never.

    I hope Zenimax learned their lesson with Craglorn patch that those that they gave the keys to end up not reporting certain exploits and end up benefiting for themselves (e.g. Kardala farming). These exploits tend to further divide the player base (casual vs hardcore) and create a huge gap in VR levels that's already a grind (yes, even with the new exp change).

    What's even worst is that Zenimax is not punishing the exploiters (those that hit VR12 less than one day is pretty obvious) by letting them keep the VR exp they gained is just another slap to the face for players that play the game normally without exploits. I dont understand the logics in not going after these exploiters, but if u judge how they have done with the bots, I guess it was expected.

    I agree with the PTS tester part, those guys, the ones who played PTS before it becomes public, should be banned from PTS. Cause obviously, if they open the PTS, it's because those guys didn't get any job done (or they didnt listen to them, but that would be soooo unprofessionnal and ironic I can't imagine it's that).

    But punishing people for playing Craglorn as it was on its launch (and still is with the red diamonds) ? No. Zenimax is responsible for putting out content made for farming. You think they never played their own content patch ? Cause a boss who drops blues and violets every time and give good xp, that you can reactivate with gems, is not an error, it's a choice. If you don't agree you've never been to kardala before they disabled it.

    This dungeon, and most of craglorn in fact, is a farm fest. And it was fun, not the kind of farm people do running from a red diamond to another, it was just a dungeon with 3-4 bosses giving good xp, and one who was so easy people just started to only kill and resurrect him (again you resurrect him with a game mechanic, gems, not an exploit).

    So basically, all I say is, ok PTS testers should be punished, but not people who played Craglorn for what it was and still is, a farm fest.
  • Noobie
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    the thing with PTS i believe is that they have a small number of people in it. If you open it too the public lots of people will test it and you will actually see game performance issues before patching to the live, and also 1000 emails a day from players on bugs would be annoying if you worked at ZoS.
    Edited by Noobie on May 28, 2014 4:40PM
  • NerfEverything
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    About time! The current PTS players are not doing their job. How do you accidentally add a 1.5sec GLOBAL cooldown to a class skill by accident?

    And the whole Kardala farming [snip] was discovered on PTS, kept under wraps, and then exploited like crazy as soon as craglorn went live.

    [Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]
    Edited by ZOS_LeroyW on May 28, 2014 4:51PM
  • FunkyBudda
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    FunkyBudda wrote: »
    We will be, @Angelyne. :)

    good, I guess better late than never.

    I hope Zenimax learned their lesson with Craglorn patch that those that they gave the keys to end up not reporting certain exploits and end up benefiting for themselves (e.g. Kardala farming). These exploits tend to further divide the player base (casual vs hardcore) and create a huge gap in VR levels that's already a grind (yes, even with the new exp change).

    What's even worst is that Zenimax is not punishing the exploiters (those that hit VR12 less than one day is pretty obvious) by letting them keep the VR exp they gained is just another slap to the face for players that play the game normally without exploits. I dont understand the logics in not going after these exploiters, but if u judge how they have done with the bots, I guess it was expected.

    I agree with the PTS tester part, those guys, the ones who played PTS before it becomes public, should be banned from PTS. Cause obviously, if they open the PTS, it's because those guys didn't get any job done (or they didnt listen to them, but that would be soooo unprofessionnal and ironic I can't imagine it's that).

    But punishing people for playing Craglorn as it was on its launch (and still is with the red diamonds) ? No. Zenimax is responsible for putting out content made for farming. You think they never played their own content patch ? Cause a boss who drops blues and violets every time and give good xp, that you can reactivate with gems, is not an error, it's a choice. If you don't agree you've never been to kardala before they disabled it.

    This dungeon, and most of craglorn in fact, is a farm fest. And it was fun, not the kind of farm people do running from a red diamond to another, it was just a dungeon with 3-4 bosses giving good xp, and one who was so easy people just started to only kill and resurrect him (again you resurrect him with a game mechanic, gems, not an exploit).

    So basically, all I say is, ok PTS testers should be punished, but not people who played Craglorn for what it was and still is, a farm fest.

    I meant to say the same thing but in the heat of the moment didnt clarify. I agree with you 100% that for the small amount of PTS keys they handed out, they should know fairly easily if those players benefited from the Kardala farming exploit. Unless the bug was reported, then that's a different story. The exploiters should be punished, no questions asked.

  • Maotti
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    Downloading the PTS now, apparently there are many people doing it right now, it's a slow download. :p
    Edited by Maotti on May 28, 2014 5:07PM
    PC EU
  • Moiskormoimi
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    FunkyBudda wrote: »
    We will be, @Angelyne. :)

    good, I guess better late than never.

    I hope Zenimax learned their lesson with Craglorn patch that those that they gave the keys to end up not reporting certain exploits and end up benefiting for themselves (e.g. Kardala farming). These exploits tend to further divide the player base (casual vs hardcore) and create a huge gap in VR levels that's already a grind (yes, even with the new exp change).

    What's even worst is that Zenimax is not punishing the exploiters (those that hit VR12 less than one day is pretty obvious) by letting them keep the VR exp they gained is just another slap to the face for players that play the game normally without exploits. I dont understand the logics in not going after these exploiters, but if u judge how they have done with the bots, I guess it was expected.

    Actually, a lot were reported. There was a lot of ignoring issues. You won't see that because those issues are discussed and reported in the The Psijic Order forum that isn't currently available to the public.
  • Solid
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    FunkyBudda wrote: »
    We will be, @Angelyne. :)

    good, I guess better late than never.

    I hope Zenimax learned their lesson with Craglorn patch that those that they gave the keys to end up not reporting certain exploits and end up benefiting for themselves (e.g. Kardala farming). These exploits tend to further divide the player base (casual vs hardcore) and create a huge gap in VR levels that's already a grind (yes, even with the new exp change).

    What's even worst is that Zenimax is not punishing the exploiters (those that hit VR12 less than one day is pretty obvious) by letting them keep the VR exp they gained is just another slap to the face for players that play the game normally without exploits. I dont understand the logics in not going after these exploiters, but if u judge how they have done with the bots, I guess it was expected.

    I agree with the PTS tester part, those guys, the ones who played PTS before it becomes public, should be banned from PTS. Cause obviously, if they open the PTS, it's because those guys didn't get any job done (or they didnt listen to them, but that would be soooo unprofessionnal and ironic I can't imagine it's that).

    But punishing people for playing Craglorn as it was on its launch (and still is with the red diamonds) ? No. Zenimax is responsible for putting out content made for farming. You think they never played their own content patch ? Cause a boss who drops blues and violets every time and give good xp, that you can reactivate with gems, is not an error, it's a choice. If you don't agree you've never been to kardala before they disabled it.

    This dungeon, and most of craglorn in fact, is a farm fest. And it was fun, not the kind of farm people do running from a red diamond to another, it was just a dungeon with 3-4 bosses giving good xp, and one who was so easy people just started to only kill and resurrect him (again you resurrect him with a game mechanic, gems, not an exploit).

    So basically, all I say is, ok PTS testers should be punished, but not people who played Craglorn for what it was and still is, a farm fest.

    This is exactly how it is, there is a difference between an exploit and farming. The game mechanics were not circumnavigated as is with an exploit they were just repeated over and over which is why its called farming and i don't see how anyone can be banned for this. It does not breach any rules of conduct or anything else for that matter.
  • heitor
    heitor
    FunkyBudda wrote: »
    We will be, @Angelyne. :)

    good, I guess better late than never.

    I hope Zenimax learned their lesson with Craglorn patch that those that they gave the keys to end up not reporting certain exploits and end up benefiting for themselves (e.g. Kardala farming). These exploits tend to further divide the player base (casual vs hardcore) and create a huge gap in VR levels that's already a grind (yes, even with the new exp change).

    What's even worst is that Zenimax is not punishing the exploiters (those that hit VR12 less than one day is pretty obvious) by letting them keep the VR exp they gained is just another slap to the face for players that play the game normally without exploits. I dont understand the logics in not going after these exploiters, but if u judge how they have done with the bots, I guess it was expected.

    Actually, a lot were reported. There was a lot of ignoring issues. You won't see that because those issues are discussed and reported in the The Psijic Order forum that isn't currently available to the public.

    I thought Psijic Order didn´t existed already, I didn´t heard about them for hundreds of years. Do you have sure the Psijic Order still exists? :open_mouth:
  • SirAndy
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    I'm afraid y'all be somewhat disappointed ...
    The Sidekick Order:
    The Naked Nords | The Cannon Fodder of Tamriel | The Mercenaries without Skills | The League of formidable Crafters
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  • Maotti
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    SirAndy wrote: »
    I'm afraid y'all be somewhat disappointed ...

    How so?
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    Maotti_Nor wrote: »
    Downloading the PTS now, apparently there are many people doing it right now, it's a slow download. :p
    If you can download it now, and are interested in testing on the PTS, yes by all means start downloading sooner than later.


    Maotti_Nor wrote: »
    SirAndy wrote: »
    I'm afraid y'all be somewhat disappointed ...

    How so?
    @Maotti_Nor‌ , the answer to that question depends on what your expectations are of how the PTS is.

    For one, there are no special testing tools on the PTS. It's basically just like submitting /bugs on live. Expect the response time to fixes to be about the same. Templates are a time saver, if they have them, but also limited. And you may find yourself locked into a testing area.

    Main: Drio Azul ~ DC, Redguard, Healer/Magicka Templar ~ NA-PC
    ●The Psijic Order●The Sidekick Order●Great House Hlaalu●Bal-Busters●
  • Maotti
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    That's fine by me actually. :)
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  • driosketch
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    SirAndy wrote: »
    In fact, we were locked into Craglorn and couldn't even leave the zone (except with a hack of sorts).
    If by hack you mean taking the wagon back to your faction, and then walking places to activate way shrines. I'm actually surprised how many didn't know that.

    True, you couldn't way shrine back by default as none of the other way shrines were active. And you couldn't get a template into the PvP campaign it seemed. And to get to the vet zones you would have needed to do all the main quests from the first one. But technically we weren't locked there, and that's before you consider our previous characters that were still saved.

    Main: Drio Azul ~ DC, Redguard, Healer/Magicka Templar ~ NA-PC
    ●The Psijic Order●The Sidekick Order●Great House Hlaalu●Bal-Busters●
  • SirAndy
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    driosketch wrote: »
    SirAndy wrote: »
    In fact, we were locked into Craglorn and couldn't even leave the zone (except with a hack of sorts).
    If by hack you mean taking the wagon back to your faction, and then walking places to activate way shrines. I'm actually surprised how many didn't know that.

    True, you couldn't way shrine back by default as none of the other way shrines were active. And you couldn't get a template into the PvP campaign it seemed. And to get to the vet zones you would have needed to do all the main quests from the first one. But technically we weren't locked there, and that's before you consider our previous characters that were still saved.
    Well, it wasn't at all obvious how to get back to your alliance zone and even if you did, as you mentioned, none of the wayshrines were discovered so one would have to run through all the zones again and to get to any of the VR zones you would have to complete the main quest again.
    For all practical purposes, we were locked into Craglorn.

    Yes, my old characters were still there, with the exception of my main which was in Cyrodiil when the PTS went offline (remember that farewell party at the imperial city? :D ) and somehow wouldn't load after Craglorn was copied to the PTS.

    Instant crash every time i tried to load that character.
    :(
    The Sidekick Order:
    The Naked Nords | The Cannon Fodder of Tamriel | The Mercenaries without Skills | The League of formidable Crafters
    The Psijic Order - 0.016% | Elder Moot | Lone Wolf Help | Great House Hlaalu
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