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ESO is now Pay2Win

Ramzdonb16_ESO
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Aracanist has survived the nerfz for two patches now.

They aren't even fun to play in my opinion, its literally like using a cheat code.

PVE is a walk in the park hitting 100k damage with basic sets.

Then we have Mythic Items, Arena weapons, all doing so much damage its just silly.

Also the same thing everyone is complaining about the no brainer dot tank build which literally requires no skill.

Is this the path that Zenimax has chosen now?

I remember when most sets did what it was meant to, now we have 80% trash sets. You could use shackle breaker and be relevant, now you will get wipe in 3 seconds by dots, struggling to even heal yourself.

I saw a video recently outlining what happens to MMOs before they die, pay2win was one of the starting points for a game dying, presumably as they see player count/spend going down they start implementing things to milk their loyal players dry.

I'm hoping this gets rectified soon, we are already going to have another big problem with sets from the endless archive, not sure if they are bind on pickup but probably will be.
Edited by ZOS_Hadeostry on September 28, 2023 7:03PM
  • XSTRONG
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    I dont think ESO is a pay2win game, if it was I would be winning everything in game.

    Pay2win for me would be if they sell combat buffs, special weapons, godly potions in crownstore etc etc..

    The stuff they add to new content atm is not p2w.
    Edited by XSTRONG on September 28, 2023 5:27PM
  • OBJnoob
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    You have to accept that any game is going to be pay to win a little bit. They do want your money after all. I think ESO is better than most at not being too bad.

    When they release new content, which you have the option to buy or not, they have to include some new sets with it. Whatever 3 come with a dungeon or a zone... Sometimes new PvP sets as well.

    They have to be interesting sets, you know? They have to be powerful or why would anyone use them? As bad as it is that 80% of sets suck it would be an even worse state of affairs if new sets sucked. Old sets sucking is... Natural.

    And honestly I don't think the VERY most powerful sets are locked behind paywalls at all. Everybody can do Vate or Maelstrom (and dragonstar too?) For one of the OP arena weapons. Way of Fire is not new at all. Everybody can get maras balm and rallying cry. Everybody can get pariah. The craftable sets are pretty good. Nobody would shun a PvE (or PvP for that matter,) healer wearing Powerful Assault and Spell Power Cure. Very old sets.

  • karthrag_inak
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    Not better than DK.
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  • Ramzdonb16_ESO
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    OBJnoob wrote: »
    You have to accept that any game is going to be pay to win a little bit. They do want your money after all. I think ESO is better than most at not being too bad.

    When they release new content, which you have the option to buy or not, they have to include some new sets with it. Whatever 3 come with a dungeon or a zone... Sometimes new PvP sets as well.

    They have to be interesting sets, you know? They have to be powerful or why would anyone use them? As bad as it is that 80% of sets suck it would be an even worse state of affairs if new sets sucked. Old sets sucking is... Natural.

    And honestly I don't think the VERY most powerful sets are locked behind paywalls at all. Everybody can do Vate or Maelstrom (and dragonstar too?) For one of the OP arena weapons. Way of Fire is not new at all. Everybody can get maras balm and rallying cry. Everybody can get pariah. The craftable sets are pretty good. Nobody would shun a PvE (or PvP for that matter,) healer wearing Powerful Assault and Spell Power Cure. Very old sets.

    That is a good point they are all good sets. Do we need another hundred sets every update?

    Vate and Maelstrom are not free fyi.

    Pretty good just doesn't cut it when you are fighting a tanky dot arcanist. These sets will do absolutely nothing for you.

    Only option is to retreat and hit them in the back, you can't fight them head on, me and my friend are two fairly decent players, came up against a Dot tank arcanist, running around trees of course not surprised, the problem is this player would usually be wiped in seconds as they aren't the greatest of players yet they are able to survive due to one move while applying so much damage over time pressure its ridiculous.

    Mythics you cannot argue are not OP?

    I do agree those sets are good but good doesn't cut it against paid.
  • Ramzdonb16_ESO
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    Not better than DK.

    Can you elaborate please?

    Personally I think the best two are:

    Arcanist
    Warden

    DKs can be tricky but they can also be kited quite easily and are forced to use skills in slots which limits the play style.
  • LunaFlora
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    you still have to play to win anything.
    not everybody can easily get 100k dps or even 60k, on any class.


    pay to win would be being able to buy completion of trials and dungeons in the crown store or buy Emperor.
    we don't even have a max level token.
    eso is definitely not pay to win.

    it's not pay 2 win just because someone is good at their class or uses new sets.
    yea you have to pay for new things, but you can also win with old things.
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