TaSheen wrote: »

I've never once grinded for one of the houses. That's as bad as the grindfest for the gryphon mount in WoW. By "questing" I mean that each of my many characters has certain quests they do (and really, none of them do all the same as any of the other girls do) depending on their backstories etc. And of course, the other thing is I don't like either the AD or DC "do all the quests" houses, and I don't do anything in EP territories (also have no EP characters).

I pick up houses in the store if there's something I really want. Though even though I really want the Fair Winds, I won't be getting it right now for two reasons: first I'm not going to put money into it right now buying crowns as I'm now hurriedly saving for a new machine (this one keeps making me feel it could be on its last gasp), and second - it's just to big to really do a good job of decorating it with the available slots. In any case I still have a few in process to finish.

They can do what y'all want - won't matter to me because I just won't mess with anything that's grindy ever again. And I certainly don't need artificial grinds to keep me logging in - I've only missed a couple of days in 6 years and those were days I was too ill to get up and sit at the computer. I log in for at least 7 hours every day....

Not really. Im not saying do them all at once. I mean sure people can but those that have been playing for a lot of years have cleared a lot of zones. With awa it really doesnt matter which toons you completed what on. Plus not all of them have to be such a mammoth task either. A lot of people like the idea of getting cosmetics like a hairstyle or something for say killing all the world bosses in x zone or complete x amount of quests (any quests not specific to a zone) and you get maybe an adventurer costume style, get rhe master decorator achievement and get a small cottage or a special furnishing. Hardly a grind. Im basically saying there should be more cosmetics available for people at every style of play.

And as i said you would also have the option to pick them up in the crown store if you want.

Last thing: I'm not a completionist. I haven't completed ANY zone in this game, and doubt I ever will. I'm a dilettante if you like - one that does only what she considers fun in any game at this point in life.

And I don't actually ever look at achievements, they're meaningless to me. I'm fairly different from the usual MMO player.... Works for me.

Yes, I saw it, but until it's fact (which considering the situation here may not be likely anyway), it's not something I'll wait around on happening. If it does, fine. So far, nothing that's been provided/offered in the last few years has worked the way people expected them to, so.... *shrug*

TaSheen wrote: »

Lone dissenter:

I hate grinds for stuff. The last grind I ever did was a rep grind in WoW for a gryphon mount - and that burnout was serious. I just don't care about "earnable" collectibles. Just let me buy them in the store.

Well, you don't HAVE to have everything...

You're not forced to grind or farm or do anything you don't want to do but if you want the loot then there's at least the option.

I definitely agree with you about WoW! The rep grind stuff for certain things (well, it was everywhere!) was insane. I didn't want to bring up WoW but that's what I was thinking when I wrote this post. There's sooooo many avenues you can go up to get your hands on fun collectibles, pets, mounts, etc.

But moving on because people don't like talking about WoW! shhh

Think about the positives though and the main thing here is that it would revitalise old and unpopular zones and encourage more people to engage in those activities - IF they want the goodies or at least a small chance to get the goodies.

Maybe certain things with regards to adding collectible drops to them are somewhat unnecessary, like drops from already popular and/or easy activities, like Dark Anchors and slaying wolfs but I think more is better (not always but here is sorely lacking in that department). Am I wrong in saying that RPGs are largely about expressing yourself and feeling unique and/or special? Adding rare collectibles to things would not only allow people to pursue them if they so desire but it would also allow people who enjoy those activities, enough to do them regardless anyway, to show off the type of activities they're into.

Take fishing for example. How many actually enjoy that? I fish sometimes to break up the monotony of questing and to enjoy the music, atmosphere and relax - getting the perfect roe, if ever, is a bonus. If I were to fish purely to obtain perfect roe though, I... Well, I wouldn't. I do enjoy seeing another player come along and join me in fishing but that doesn't happen very often. It would if there was a small chance of getting a Maormer skin I think.

No one is forced to grind for the skin. If you enjoy fishing, you'll get it eventually. I don't complain about most skins being locked behind Veteran content but if I did really want a particular skin, I'd work to get it. Most people who get those skins probably enjoy the challenge of Veteran content and Trifecta anyway but for me it's not worth getting good for!

At the very least, these things should be considered for places such as, Vvardenfell, Blackwood, Western Skyrim... Places, in my experience, that are pretty dead compared to other, more popular places. Maybe it's mainly the group bosses because in each of those zones there's so many and I don't think everyone gets the same boss for the quest. So I end up going there and standing around for a while before I get bored and leave. I shouldn't have to spam zone chat or my guilds for help for something that gets done in two minutes in more popular zones for the same reward basically.

Western Skyrim Harrowstorms are understandably less popular than Reach Harrowstorms. I'm sure most people already have all the motifs from that event we had a while back but for those that don't...

My desire would be to see new life breathed into these zones and be like when there's an event on and the only way I see that happening is by there being incentives to go there (IF. YOU. WANT. THE. SHINY. THINGS. THAT. IS). It would ensure that there's always players in those zones, to the benefit of new and old players alike.

Yes, the goodies would be totally separate from anything in the Crown Store - those things can remain exclusive to paying customers I suppose. How would it benefit ZOS? Well, it would give them the opportunity to show that they're not just greedy goblins and do care enough about the players to do something without expecting money in return. For every little thing.

It's probably not going to happen but it's worth bringing up.

Alternatively, there could just be more events set in those zones - Blackwood, Vvardenfell, etc. Same result.

Actually.... I love fishing. I have 4 master anglers, working on 2 more....

tomofhyrule wrote: »

I'm always of the idea that the reward should match the content.

I know there are a lot of people who think that any kind of microtransaction is "literally predatory." I'll admit, I'm much more okay than most at monetizing cosmetics - if it's a game I like, I will absolutely feel like supporting it financially to allow it to keep going and making more money. I do think the prices in ESO's Crown Store are... excessively high (and that's putting it mildly), but with this being as big a game as it is where it's almost free-to-play (between free events and sales that usually have the basegame less than $10), I'm okay with paying for cosmetics. I also don't need extra shinies to tempt me into content. I actually think that titles and achievement points are great to collect, and I don't feel the need to grind my way because I want something more.

I also feel that a lot of people asking for this just want the rewards to drop from achievements for one of two reasons: they want something they can use to flex on others ("I got this and you didn't because I'm better at this game than you"), in which case it seems that the 'thing' you get doesn't matter that much as long as it lets you flex; or they want some specific thing but don't want to crack open their wallet for it. I get it - I'd love for everything in life to be handed to me and not have to pay for it, but I understand why that's not realistic.

Now yes, ESO is very stingy with achievement rewards since they do funnel so much into the gamble crates (which is a whole other discussion - suffice to say that I'd infinitely prefer things to be buyable in the store in perpetuity instead of hidden in gambling and time gated mechanics). I do think they could put more in. That said, I am vehemently opposed to making content available for high-level achievements just to satisfy the "I'm better than you" crowd, and especially when it's something useful for another type of player.

Case in point: there are so few boat furnishings in game. One requires the completion of vKA to get it. Of course there are housing enthusiasts who are also trail raiders, that's obvious. But is every home decorator an endgame raider? I doubt it. The ability to use one of the few boat furnishings in the game is skill gated.

My main issue is with personalities, as they are so good for RPers and character creators. We have some that have sensible requirements - 'visit the Gold Coast,' 'Do the Sadrith Mora quest chain,' etc. But then there's Beast and Worm Wizard, which both require a Challenger in a dungeon. Essentially, you're skill-gating wanting to RP behind being able to do vDLC HMs and nodeaths. Worm Wizard being available from Fang Lair doesn't even make sense beyond the fact that it's a necromancer-y thing - the skin that all the FL enemies are wearing is the one you get from Scalecaller instead (which doesn't have anyone wearing that skin...). I think the skin should have been the FL reward and then the SCP reward could have been Zaan's costume, making the personality the Crown Store thing.

That's my issue with things being available in game. Skins from Dungeons are fine - many of those are really only useful to flex your achievement. Titles? Mementos? Of course! Shiny mounts? Go right ahead! But very bog-standard costumes, personalities, or anything that is more subdued and has a primary use other than "look at me!" is where I'm not a fan of skill gating it. Sure, put them behind something we can all do like story quests. But don't force players to do a trial trifecta just to get a beautiful and plain hairstyle or something. That's just mean.

I mean yeah i get the personality one (there arent enough in game at all in my opinion) but like motifs and furnishings you can buy and sell in traders and i have a lot less of an issue with that one since its still widely available to the public. I do however think there needs to be cool stuff that you only can get from certain content. Otherwise what is the point.

More cosmetics for completing certain quests would certainly be welcome, such as the personality from the Sadrith Mora quests. Some of the things we can already earn in game are pretty cool, such as that watchling mask from the Underweave public dungeon. I don't mind cosmetic rewards behind difficult content, but something nice for doing things that don't have "vet" on the name would be, well, nice. I just don't want more grinds, which is how I'd imagine ZOS would implement this, considering how we already get a handful of cosmetics just from doing quests or earning certain achievements. I'm tired of overreliance on RNGeesus - and the antiquities system is taking this to the extremes with those leads, including for cosmetic stuff, that drop from treasure map chests. This is why I don't feel certain about my vote: I'm all for more collectibles being made available, but this would probably just lead to yet more frustrating grindfests.

I disagree, sorry for that.

Each players has different expectations. Who will define what will be added?
Because the problems is that it could be nice for some, but not for others. For those last ones, the added drops will reduce the chance of getting something he/she would prefer (more items). Sooooooo...

I agree, more cosmetic rewards could definitely revitalize some older content.

I'd also suggest to add a slightly different version of vet rewards to normal mode to stop this unproductive "gatekeeping" discussion.

PrimeSeptim wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

I'm always of the idea that the reward should match the content.

I know there are a lot of people who think that any kind of microtransaction is "literally predatory." I'll admit, I'm much more okay than most at monetizing cosmetics - if it's a game I like, I will absolutely feel like supporting it financially to allow it to keep going and making more money. I do think the prices in ESO's Crown Store are... excessively high (and that's putting it mildly), but with this being as big a game as it is where it's almost free-to-play (between free events and sales that usually have the basegame less than $10), I'm okay with paying for cosmetics. I also don't need extra shinies to tempt me into content. I actually think that titles and achievement points are great to collect, and I don't feel the need to grind my way because I want something more.

I also feel that a lot of people asking for this just want the rewards to drop from achievements for one of two reasons: they want something they can use to flex on others ("I got this and you didn't because I'm better at this game than you"), in which case it seems that the 'thing' you get doesn't matter that much as long as it lets you flex; or they want some specific thing but don't want to crack open their wallet for it. I get it - I'd love for everything in life to be handed to me and not have to pay for it, but I understand why that's not realistic.

Now yes, ESO is very stingy with achievement rewards since they do funnel so much into the gamble crates (which is a whole other discussion - suffice to say that I'd infinitely prefer things to be buyable in the store in perpetuity instead of hidden in gambling and time gated mechanics). I do think they could put more in. That said, I am vehemently opposed to making content available for high-level achievements just to satisfy the "I'm better than you" crowd, and especially when it's something useful for another type of player.

Case in point: there are so few boat furnishings in game. One requires the completion of vKA to get it. Of course there are housing enthusiasts who are also trail raiders, that's obvious. But is every home decorator an endgame raider? I doubt it. The ability to use one of the few boat furnishings in the game is skill gated.

My main issue is with personalities, as they are so good for RPers and character creators. We have some that have sensible requirements - 'visit the Gold Coast,' 'Do the Sadrith Mora quest chain,' etc. But then there's Beast and Worm Wizard, which both require a Challenger in a dungeon. Essentially, you're skill-gating wanting to RP behind being able to do vDLC HMs and nodeaths. Worm Wizard being available from Fang Lair doesn't even make sense beyond the fact that it's a necromancer-y thing - the skin that all the FL enemies are wearing is the one you get from Scalecaller instead (which doesn't have anyone wearing that skin...). I think the skin should have been the FL reward and then the SCP reward could have been Zaan's costume, making the personality the Crown Store thing.

That's my issue with things being available in game. Skins from Dungeons are fine - many of those are really only useful to flex your achievement. Titles? Mementos? Of course! Shiny mounts? Go right ahead! But very bog-standard costumes, personalities, or anything that is more subdued and has a primary use other than "look at me!" is where I'm not a fan of skill gating it. Sure, put them behind something we can all do like story quests. But don't force players to do a trial trifecta just to get a beautiful and plain hairstyle or something. That's just mean.

I agree... I think. Well, I don't like spending my money lol! But yeah.

About the skill-gating stuff. That's exactly the problem. Most cosmetics/mounts/personalities are skill-gated in ESO. Yeah, I don't get the flexing thing but those people exist. I get flexing a Lamborghini IRL maybe... Eh, but even then. No one likes a show off. I prefer humility.

It's shame there's nothing similar to the Worm Wizard personality...
It's perfect for the budding Necromancer. I don't mind the 'Elite' having exclusive shiny things. That's every game really, isn't it?


But adding more, at least to zones that need some TLC, would benefit everyone.

Master Angler gets what? A title and a furnishing? For all that effort? If there was a Maormer skin (even if it had a <1% drop chance), they'd probably have that too. Or other things that could drop from that activity that only the most dedicated or lucky would obtain. Fishing is accessible to everyone.

Grand Master Crafter gets what? Some hammers? Furnishings you can buy with writ vouchers. A title. Meh.

Adding the chance of mounts, momentos, personalities, skins, etc, to certain reward coffers would revitalise those particular zones, like Vvardenfell. Again, that stuff is accessible to everyone. Normal dungeons are accessible to everyone but they don't get nothing! Maybe a recolour of the Veteran skin? A Trifecta thing for Normal dungeons/trials? I haven't even been in a Normal trial - they're not as accessible to me but not everyone is an anti social, unlikeable, boring me.

A little less about the Crown Store. I think it could be done without affecting their revenue much if at all. But we're discussing getting something for nothing so... Maybe that's against their policy lol! It would be a nice gesture though.

I do want to say not everyone wants rewards at the end of challenging content to "flex." It simetimes is simply satisfying to work hard for something and get a nice reward for it. It took me YEARS to get the Worm personality after it was released and it didn't cross my mind for even a second that I wanted to have it to show off. But it felt awesome to throw on something that unique after working for it and being able to celebrate by having the group all take a screenshot using the /doom emote.

So, I hear you, but it is a tough line because people who like to challenge themselves deserve cool stuff as rewards, too.

And ZOS truly can't win on this topic because everyone has different preferences. Some like flashy, some like plain. Some like dyes, some like personalities, and if you were to get the community to vote on the "best" rewards and ensure they require no skill to get, there absolutely would NOT be a consensus and the only other option is to not have good unique rewards for tough content, which also is not great. I would LOVE to get a hairstyle at the end of, say, a trifecta because although I like hard content I like hair styles too!! So I do think the only real solution is for everyone to realize that in a game as vast as ESO sometimes your most desired reward will be behind undesired activity. And the best solution to counter that is to have more different types of rewards behind different content so everyone has at least some variety no matter what they like to do.

I diagree! 😎

PrimeSeptim wrote: »

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

I diagree! 😎

Ay y u diagree??

Surprised no one mentioned my typo earlier!

I noticed it, but since you can't edit after posting the poll, I didn't see any need to rag on you over it!

PrimeSeptim wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

I'm always of the idea that the reward should match the content.

I know there are a lot of people who think that any kind of microtransaction is "literally predatory." I'll admit, I'm much more okay than most at monetizing cosmetics - if it's a game I like, I will absolutely feel like supporting it financially to allow it to keep going and making more money. I do think the prices in ESO's Crown Store are... excessively high (and that's putting it mildly), but with this being as big a game as it is where it's almost free-to-play (between free events and sales that usually have the basegame less than $10), I'm okay with paying for cosmetics. I also don't need extra shinies to tempt me into content. I actually think that titles and achievement points are great to collect, and I don't feel the need to grind my way because I want something more.

I also feel that a lot of people asking for this just want the rewards to drop from achievements for one of two reasons: they want something they can use to flex on others ("I got this and you didn't because I'm better at this game than you"), in which case it seems that the 'thing' you get doesn't matter that much as long as it lets you flex; or they want some specific thing but don't want to crack open their wallet for it. I get it - I'd love for everything in life to be handed to me and not have to pay for it, but I understand why that's not realistic.

Now yes, ESO is very stingy with achievement rewards since they do funnel so much into the gamble crates (which is a whole other discussion - suffice to say that I'd infinitely prefer things to be buyable in the store in perpetuity instead of hidden in gambling and time gated mechanics). I do think they could put more in. That said, I am vehemently opposed to making content available for high-level achievements just to satisfy the "I'm better than you" crowd, and especially when it's something useful for another type of player.

Case in point: there are so few boat furnishings in game. One requires the completion of vKA to get it. Of course there are housing enthusiasts who are also trail raiders, that's obvious. But is every home decorator an endgame raider? I doubt it. The ability to use one of the few boat furnishings in the game is skill gated.

My main issue is with personalities, as they are so good for RPers and character creators. We have some that have sensible requirements - 'visit the Gold Coast,' 'Do the Sadrith Mora quest chain,' etc. But then there's Beast and Worm Wizard, which both require a Challenger in a dungeon. Essentially, you're skill-gating wanting to RP behind being able to do vDLC HMs and nodeaths. Worm Wizard being available from Fang Lair doesn't even make sense beyond the fact that it's a necromancer-y thing - the skin that all the FL enemies are wearing is the one you get from Scalecaller instead (which doesn't have anyone wearing that skin...). I think the skin should have been the FL reward and then the SCP reward could have been Zaan's costume, making the personality the Crown Store thing.

That's my issue with things being available in game. Skins from Dungeons are fine - many of those are really only useful to flex your achievement. Titles? Mementos? Of course! Shiny mounts? Go right ahead! But very bog-standard costumes, personalities, or anything that is more subdued and has a primary use other than "look at me!" is where I'm not a fan of skill gating it. Sure, put them behind something we can all do like story quests. But don't force players to do a trial trifecta just to get a beautiful and plain hairstyle or something. That's just mean.

I agree... I think. Well, I don't like spending my money lol! But yeah.

About the skill-gating stuff. That's exactly the problem. Most cosmetics/mounts/personalities are skill-gated in ESO. Yeah, I don't get the flexing thing but those people exist. I get flexing a Lamborghini IRL maybe... Eh, but even then. No one likes a show off. I prefer humility.

It's shame there's nothing similar to the Worm Wizard personality...
It's perfect for the budding Necromancer. I don't mind the 'Elite' having exclusive shiny things. That's every game really, isn't it?


But adding more, at least to zones that need some TLC, would benefit everyone.

Master Angler gets what? A title and a furnishing? For all that effort? If there was a Maormer skin (even if it had a <1% drop chance), they'd probably have that too. Or other things that could drop from that activity that only the most dedicated or lucky would obtain. Fishing is accessible to everyone.

Grand Master Crafter gets what? Some hammers? Furnishings you can buy with writ vouchers. A title. Meh.

Adding the chance of mounts, momentos, personalities, skins, etc, to certain reward coffers would revitalise those particular zones, like Vvardenfell. Again, that stuff is accessible to everyone. Normal dungeons are accessible to everyone but they don't get nothing! Maybe a recolour of the Veteran skin? A Trifecta thing for Normal dungeons/trials? I haven't even been in a Normal trial - they're not as accessible to me but not everyone is an anti social, unlikeable, boring me.

A little less about the Crown Store. I think it could be done without affecting their revenue much if at all. But we're discussing getting something for nothing so... Maybe that's against their policy lol! It would be a nice gesture though.

I just like some of the cosmetics. Its not a flex. For example I only run my beast personality and silver skin on one toon because I think it fits him. How many folks do you see running the purple skin from cloudrest hard mode? Not many cause we mostly agree its kind of ugly.

Not a fan of the stupidly low chance of things dropping, would rather there be a specific way to earn things via achievements.

Scaletho wrote: »

More interesting stuff as in-game rewards, less money ZOS get for selling these things in Crown Store or "Las Vegas" Crown Crates. So no. ZOS will not facilitate stuff if they can profit for it. This is not Hello Games' NMS.

And usually the good stuff is really, really hard to get. Certainly only ESO "elite" players has endless playtime and hardcore skills (and groups) to get the best stuff. The rest must be content with the less meaningful crumbles. And the low reward crates dropped during streams.

Uh. Well, I actually have "endless playtime". However, I'm ANYTHING but hardcore. And I don't pvp or do endgame.

Generalizations are not helpful in any venue.