Had a group today where the healer and tank were both dps. I queued as dps so was actually dps. The other dps was obviously dps. Problem is I was the only one who did meaningful dps, I got frustrated by the “tank” and “healer” sprinting past all the trash that was still aggroed, I protested and refused to dps. They couldn’t kill the boss. Despite having 2H and DW equipped, both of them. So their speed run was ground to a halt because I refused to participate in it.

I don’t have the solution to this growing RND toxicity, but maybe a reputation system is needed at this point.

Lauranae wrote: »

I almost wish people doing this could get penalized for killing solo a end boss IF they are doing a GF instance.

Honnestly they can do what they want if they enter the instance solo or with a group accepting that, but ruining a RND for 3 persons is not the way to go.

the problem with this is you HAVE to queue if you want the transmutes, which is a vast majority reason why a lot of people queue for randoms to begin with

i personally dont queue because im more just trying to complete the gear collection on the dungeons

as to your issue with the vote to kick prompt not appearing, it does appear in the notification menu while in combat, but not as a visual text indicator to "hit F or X to accept/decline" type of thing

I'm still of the opinion that you should have to kill everything in the dungeon to get the rewards for completing the dungeon. If you skip some trash you will have to go back and find the trash to kill them.

At the very least there should be a requirement to kill all bosses and mini bosses for a completion. I started a new character on EU (my first and only) after we got account wide achievements so I could have a character that still does everything without help from other characters. When I leveled up high enough to run the undaunted pledges I queued up for the specific dungeon. Two others in our group also had the pledge. The 4th was just doing the random and ran past all the bosses we needed to complete the pledge. We were all low level characters but it was an easy dungeon so we were able to finish.

With harder dungeons and with new players that might not always be the case. Something needs to be done so that players speeding to end for the daily doesn't wreck the players there for the pledge.

ZOS should somehow stop abusive behaviour in dungeons, including speedrunning, fake tanking, etc.

WoW actually has a system in place for this, and in-game mails you any missed boss loot and dungeon loot after the dungeon is completed. Even if you happened to disconnect. This is something which should be implemented here as well. Especially when you are inside a dungeon and a boss dies or the dungeon is completed you should be getting the loot and experience.

Tsar_Gekkou wrote: »

opalcity wrote: »

The best way to deal with this would be to introduce neverwinter-style checkpoints. Basically a circle in front of a gate or door at two or three points in the dungeon, and the gate would only open when all members of the group were stood in the circle. This includes one right before the end boss.

This has been suggested before and trolls would just refuse to get in the circle and hold the group hostage.

ZOS could make it 3 out of 4 required to open. That way one player can't hold the group hostage, and it would set a minimum amount of players to start a bossfight. While also showing atleast three players want to continue past that point, allowing ZOS to implement an autokick if you miss stepping into two circles. Ofcourse there would have to be something to allow the fourth player to step in the circle, even if three are already inside the circle(30 sec timer maybe). A 30 second timer would also force the group to mostly stay together, or one could be at risk of being auto-kicked.

The other day I had one of those 2k+ CP speedrunner clowns show up midway through a normal wayrest 1 because our regular tank left immediately on spawn and they literally doubled the amount of time we spent in the dungeon because they ran past some rats SOMEWHERE and the door bugged out until we swept the ENTIRE dungeon looking for the pack of rats this complete circus pulled. We did every other boss faster than we could find these rats his AoE clipped for half a second and he couldn't be bothered to nuke down with his 'amazing' DPS until it was clear the dungeon itself was not gonna let him continue till he did. Didn't wanna help us look for them at first either (probably was planning to duck through the door and pull the boss before we could get back even).

To that guy; Hate to tell you this buddy, but it doesn't matter if you're doing a hundred dps or a hundred million, if your selfish behavior increases the over all duration of the dungeon then you aren't just an awful speedrunner but fundamentally an awful player. You are playing a co-op mode, if you are making it harder on your own team you have failed the most basic aspect of the game. It's the equivalent of turning up to a performance review at work and then beating the light from the interviewer's eyes in pursuit of a raise. Yeah you showed us you sure can hit hard, but no one likes you, you made everything worse, and people are constantly talking about new ways to punish you so you'll finally stop beating Jerry in HR half to death any time you want new shoes from the mysterious clockwork orb...

The metaphor's a bit scuffed, but you get what I mean.

Lauranae wrote: »

I almost wish people doing this could get penalized for killing solo a end boss IF they are doing a GF instance.

Honnestly they can do what they want if they enter the instance solo or with a group accepting that, but ruining a RND for 3 persons is not the way to go.

I mean if they made dungeons harder then people wouldn't be able to solo it and no one would ever be able to do this..... I've been saying for years this game is too easy and needs a significant buff just saying

mocap wrote: »

Lauranae wrote: »

i just wish to have fun playing this game.

you speak for yourself. Can you speak for thousands of other players? They have their own problems, their own lives, their own difficulties. And they all may be fundamentally different from your life.

Don't judge others by yourself. We are all in our own boiling soup and we all have our own view of the situation. And while we're on the subject of justice, the other side of the conflict needs to be heard. So far we have only heard one side

Welcome to my first ever ignore player on this forum.

You can agree or disagree but at least learn when to stop arguing. This discussion goes no where.
I will just ask for a remove or i will delete it.