francesinhalover wrote: »

Yet all negative rapport for ember is about failing stealth. Nice alright ill just solo or use Mirri

Her general mentality is getting caught is bad, but escaping is good, remaining undetected neutral, pickpocketing and thieving IS really good. I think it makes quite a lot of sense for her character. In game, you don't see the values so it's easy to feel constantly punished for messing up.

From the other thread:

Possitive Rapport:

Choosing the "flee" option after being accosted by a guard: +10
Successfully getting away after choosing the flee option: +1
Invoking the Clemency perk after being accosted by a guard: +10
Entering a restricted area (trespassing): +1

Completing a Thieves Guild heist: +125
Looting a safebox or thieves trove: +5, then +1 for each additional trove during cooldown (shared cooldown)
Pickpocketing a guard: +10, then +1 for each additional pick during cooldown
Fencing a purple-quality stolen item: +25
Completing a Tip Board quest in the Thieves Den: +5 (has a cooldown)

Negative Rapport:

Getting seen pickpocketing, looting a safebox, stealing from a container, or killing an innocent NPC: -10 (shared cooldown)
Getting killed by a guard: -5 (no cooldown)
Willingly paying bounty to a guard after being caught: -25, then -5 for each additional payoff during cooldown
Getting spotted while in a restricted area (trespassing): -10

MashmalloMan wrote: »

francesinhalover wrote: »

Yet all negative rapport for ember is about failing stealth. Nice alright ill just solo or use Mirri

Her general mentality is getting caught is bad, but escaping is good, remaining undetected neutral, pickpocketing and thieving IS really good. I think it makes quite a lot of sense for her character. In game, you don't see the values so it's easy to feel constantly punished for messing up.

But you WILL get caught or seen occasionally; that's essentially unavoidable. So she'll judge you for it (lose rapport). So I just won't be using her for her intended purpose (being out thieving) because I don't want a traveling companion that will dislike me or judge me for messing up now and then (or more likely, RNG not being favorable). This rapport loss from being seen or caught sounds good on paper, but the end result is just going to be a companion I won't want to risk using while thieving. Seeing as that's her whole intended purpose, it seems to me she fails to meet the intended goals. Even if the rapport loss is numerically small, it's unwanted and FEELS bad. I don't want to travel with someone that will start thinking less of me for things beyond my control or for occasionally messing up something they otherwise like when there's no direct intent to do so.

Fata1moose wrote: »

Do you have any other general feedback?

When this system was announced I was excited to go around Tamriel with some familiar faces from previous quests but so far we have only gotten new characters. I would love to see:

• Raynor/Kireth
• Naryu
• Razum Dar
• Darien
• Gwendis
• Eveli

Obviously there would be some technical stuff to work out like if you're traveling with a companion and you come up to one of their quests in a zone. I would suggest having the quest marker pop over their head in a certain radius.

In terms of dialogue options I'm still left wanting. Talking to companions feels like going through a template instead of organic conversation. Have them ask our opinion for rapport gains/losses. Have conversations that happen in specific spots like Inns, towns and player housing. Further character arcs with romance, additional quests in Q4 DLC, etc.

Yeah, maybe when you complete every quest involving a certain character you could unlock them as companions, that would be awesome! Even though they do need more content, I think romance and all that big stuff will only be added after they put all the classes as companions (2 more to go!), but I think nothing is preventing them to implement some smaller things (like maybe being able to put a helmet on them...? (hopefully (one day (please)))).

Monweel wrote: »

Fata1moose wrote: »

Do you have any other general feedback?

When this system was announced I was excited to go around Tamriel with some familiar faces from previous quests but so far we have only gotten new characters. I would love to see:

• Raynor/Kireth
• Naryu
• Razum Dar
• Darien
• Gwendis
• Eveli

Obviously there would be some technical stuff to work out like if you're traveling with a companion and you come up to one of their quests in a zone. I would suggest having the quest marker pop over their head in a certain radius.

In terms of dialogue options I'm still left wanting. Talking to companions feels like going through a template instead of organic conversation. Have them ask our opinion for rapport gains/losses. Have conversations that happen in specific spots like Inns, towns and player housing. Further character arcs with romance, additional quests in Q4 DLC, etc.

Yeah, maybe when you complete every quest involving a certain character you could unlock them as companions, that would be awesome! Even though they do need more content, I think romance and all that big stuff will only be added after they put all the classes as companions (2 more to go!), but I think nothing is preventing them to implement some smaller things (like maybe being able to put a helmet on them...? (hopefully (one day (please)))).

if they did something like that, they had better not put the absolutely stupid requirement to have to do this on every toon to be able to use the companion

its already dumb enough we have to repeat the same questline to "unlock" the companion on every toon (even though you only need to do it ONCE to unlock it in collections)

I had a bit of a nightmare with Isobel... I started with the iron quest, after I found the item I did not see the "Follow Isobel" and instead moved toward the quest marker, right off the cliff, moved to the quest marker and nothing, Isobel was just following me.... ran back up and looked around, nothing, I even went down the path and jumped where I would later find I was supposed to go, but no luck, eventually I dropped the quest and started over, Isobel was still following me, even after I dropped the quest...

I left the zone and returned, and was able to start the quest again... took the golden lute, went to get the staff and Isobel wandered off... gone... again spent time looking for her (started where the marker on the map looked every place along the path to it, both ways I might add, Isobel was gone.... dropped the quest and started again (after leaving the area again)

Third time was the charm, Picked the staff first, found Isobel back by the way shrine, talked to her, went back to the grotto, did the puzzle, went in and poof, she showed up... finished the quest, did the golden lute second and finally got the iron knot done...

I will try it all again on another character and see if I can screw things up again...

For isobels favor achievement, you need to interact with lyris. If you have completed skyrim/reach quests and then find lyris and sai and they take off together, where can you find them?

So I have been turbo griding Isobel, I have been using her as Stamplar DPS.

As a melee DPS it's very difficult to keep her alive, the big issue is that many enmeys particular those at vents have melee range constant AoEs that she might roll out of once but then that roll is on cooldown she has no choice to go back to fighting in melee. I have a similar problem on live with Bastan tank and the portals/atoll final boss (duke of Havoc?)having a stacking melee range AoE that just kills companions.

I basically have to focus on giving her a lot of defense and so lack offensive options compared to a ranged companion. I think all companions could use a damage boost. I am trying to give my tank someone to clear trash faster for me while questing, if I a fully pve specced trail tank does most of the damage its an issue.

Jabs is magic damage, when I want it to be physical for a stamplar, I am not sure how exactly the damage types matter for companions, but Mage companions will always be ranged so it makes no sense for Jabs to be the magic version. I want more jabs! jabs jabs jabs jabs.

Her quest is very cute and ultimately wholesome .

Stop rapport losses once rapport reaches max. Feels bad.

t3hnerevarine wrote: »

Ember is supposed to be the brash troublemaker but imo she's pretty pathetic. Her entire quest is "oh no i messed up im going to be in so much trouble please help me" and then when you talk to her once shes your companion she says "am i in trouble? sorry i just assume"
thats not a troublemaker, thats just someone traumatized by being blamed for everything as a child. Its not endearing at all.

That line makes Sammy feel very troubled sad. It sounds like someone who expects scolding (at least) or a beating at the worst.

Aedricbutter wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

francesinhalover wrote: »

Yet all negative rapport for ember is about failing stealth. Nice alright ill just solo or use Mirri

Her general mentality is getting caught is bad, but escaping is good, remaining undetected neutral, pickpocketing and thieving IS really good. I think it makes quite a lot of sense for her character. In game, you don't see the values so it's easy to feel constantly punished for messing up.

But you WILL get caught or seen occasionally; that's essentially unavoidable. So she'll judge you for it (lose rapport). So I just won't be using her for her intended purpose (being out thieving) because I don't want a traveling companion that will dislike me or judge me for messing up now and then (or more likely, RNG not being favorable). This rapport loss from being seen or caught sounds good on paper, but the end result is just going to be a companion I won't want to risk using while thieving. Seeing as that's her whole intended purpose, it seems to me she fails to meet the intended goals. Even if the rapport loss is numerically small, it's unwanted and FEELS bad. I don't want to travel with someone that will start thinking less of me for things beyond my control or for occasionally messing up something they otherwise like when there's no direct intent to do so.

This whole rapport thing just turned out to be a total pain in the backside for me. That and always having to heal my companions and that, for me they were immersion breaking was just a turn off. Though initially excited about them, I have now stopped using them. I find them hard work and just a total grind fest, so no thank you very much. I am much more happy companion free for now.

So far I’ve set up Mirri and Bastian as defensive with heavy armor and a taunt. They help me by keeping the attention of the enemies as much as they can while I do the damage. I’m sure I’ll do the same with Ember and Isobel. I keep them out because I enjoy their company and like leveling their skills, not so they can kill the mobs for me while I watch. That’s what streamers, err, content creators are for 🙂

This may have been said already, but...

When are we going to get the ability to change the hairstyles of Companions, and when are we going to get the ability to give them (and change) headwear such as helmets or hats?

While I understand, from a general performance and menu design point of view, why we aren't allowed to change anything that for normal PCs can only be changed at character creation or through a Change Race or Change Appearance token. But we already have the ability to change their in-game models and textures somewhat through changing outfit styles and/or costumes, so why can we not also change other cosmetic appearance aspects such as skins, body markings, hairstyles, helmets, masks, or hats (or have helmets, masks or hats *at all*)? Surely the performance issues wouldn't be any more significant than the outfit style changes we already have access to, and the models and textures are already fully in place and implemented as part of the game anyway because we have them for our PC characters.

If this is just the companion devs wanting to show off their work and not wanting to relinquish any artistic control, then I think they're on the wrong side of the business and should maybe stick to level building.

It simply doesn't make sense to me that we can (mostly) control the appearance of our Companions *except for their heads*.

These sorts of appearance customization options really should be added.

Leogon wrote: »

Ember suffers from an old bug that's never been fixed. Her eyes clip through her eyelids when she blinks.

Seems like -all- khajiit have that problem, yes?

Can you please improve on they handle AOE damage?