RealLoveBVB wrote: »

The video just shows, how the low pop bonus disappears. So it works as intended?

You had to start the video, when the low pop appeared.

It is pretty common, that you will see pop locked factions with this bonus, because many players are joining the campaign for the double ap then. But it will just disappear pretty soon again then.

1- It disappears because the evaluation has occurred and they no longer need it.
2- I started the video when I did because someone else mentioned it in zone chat. I don't sit and watch the evaluation page when I'm in cyro, I play. However, this is not the first time I have seen this happen, nor is it the second. I have seen this happen entirely too often and only just prior to and shortly after the evaluation period. It gets really wild the last week of the campaign. This is how EP has recently, on Gray Host at least, lost the campaign. It's demoralizing and should be rectified.
3- There is no double AP going on currently, the video was taken March 23rd, yesterday. If seen once, I could and was of a similar mindset that show here, twice...meh...repeatedly however is another issue. The simplest explanation is that someone is exploiting the mechanics in a way that benefits them to the detriment of others.

1. Generally the low pop AP/score buff goes away shortly after a score update, quite a few times it'll happen in between scores, but that's rare for the amount of times I see it pop up for a few hours and disappear

2. You imply that your video shows that AD gets the low pop buff randomly about 2-3 minutes before score then 2-3 minutes after score update it goes away. Your 1 minute clip does not show that at all, you only show it going away. For all we know (and the more likely outcome) AD has had that buff for 2-3 hours before hand and more people came in to take advantage of double AP.

Also AD is losing by 3K points in that campaign, so if AD catches up or passes it's not because their "cheating" it's because the other factions dropped the ball.

PvXGamer wrote: »

This is within Gray Host. The AD faction will cheat periodically to get their score up in cyro. DC has done it as well but not nearly as often. I have never seen EP do it, maybe because they can't get organized enough to cheat properly. AD are pop locked but they have a low pop bonus at score evaluation as shown in the video. This has been going on for quite some time. It is believed that they are doing this by having a large portion of their population enter a dungeon or cheesemonger's hollow just prior to the evaluation and then re-enter cyro after the scores are updated. This is quite stupid to watch and I'm pretty certain is not an aspect of the game that is 'working as intended' although I guess I could be wrong. I will give them that it is a creative use of existing mechanics. So, now that you have some proof, how long are you going to allow this to continue?

https://facebook.com/PvXGamer/videos/263077492696311

Ticket # 220324-000038

EDIT: I was just informed from a guildie that this is happening regularly in Ravenwatch from all three factions. Personally, I never play in any other instances, but this is something that you folks should have addressed long before now. I just happened to get lucky and catch it on video this time.

It's better to tag a Dev in posts like these. As for the accusation of cheating by AD and DC via low pop bonus manipulation via dungeon and Cheesemonger exploits, I've heard about it by a lot of players over the past few months too. I played DC for six month up until this current campaign, and we were always talking about the mysterious way AD can jump so high in points with low pop despite having full bars. Heck, one campaign recently they jumped by over 2.5k in less than 12 hours, starting with the low pop night shift which didn't take all the scrolls nor gate the map.

From my understanding it's not the average Joe player in Cyrodiil doing it. It's the guilds on coms/Discord, etc. Most of the guilds are buddy buddy with other guilds, have members in each others Discord, so it's incredibly easy to organize and manipulate this.

For those who've posted above inquiring how can this be cheating, I'm not really sure. I think it's more of a glitch or exploit. If you'll notice, when you're in Cyrodiil and look up your name in guild roster, it will list your location as Cyrodiil if you're at a gate, keep, bridge, or outpost. However, if you go into a dungeon or Cheesemonger, the location tags you as not in Cyrodill but in (insert name of dungeon or Cheesemonger here). It effectively takes you out of "instance" in Cyrodiil, so the game thinks you've "left" Cyrodiil. All guilds need to do is push the map as much as possible to beef up their score, then when the evaluation nears just mass enter into a dungeon inside Cyrodiil. The game will think its a mass exodus of players from Cyrodiil and think it's low pop. Then when they get the juicy score tick when evaluation passes, they pop out of the dungeon and resume pushing. That's the only way I can see someone intentionally cheating with low pops.

Of course this may not be cheating at all. There's been PLENTY of times when, at 2am, an enemy alliance will have low pop bonus but show up at my keep with 40+ players, LOL. I'll look at my alliances pop bar and it'll say two bars even though there's like 5 people defending with me. This happens to everyone from what I hear. I think the game is just wonky with low pop in general and doesn't tally the score "live".

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