The best answer if you want balanced pvp is to move towards all pvp being no cp, and leave the cp system solely for pve. It is impossible to balance for both CP and Non-CP pvp. Removing one of these would lead to an easier game to balance. Removing cp would be the best option because you cut out all those extra variables to account for.

Leave the CP system for pve, which is a much more controlled environment than pvp. Move all pvp to only no cp across the board.

Emma_Overload wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

SimonBelmont wrote: »

You turned four options into sixteen. Which I agree would be a bit much. Fortunately, no one is asking for or expecting that.

Do you not understand what I was getting at? The point of listing that many options was to show what the queue would look like if we had the ability to choose both game mode and whether or not CP was enabled. That won't happen, but it's possible that ZOS would be willing to enable one or the other. I'm willing to bet that a much larger majority of actual BG-players would rather have the ability to pick specific game modes, rather than the option of playing horribly unbalanced and crutch-laden CP-PvP.

BG regulars have long wanted separate solo and group queues, as well as options for picking the game mode, custom lobbies (to organize all-premade games more easily), and other things of that sort. Essentially none of us have been begging for CP to be reenabled, and there were a *lot* of complaints about CP-BGs when they were around a while back. I don't personally see the CP 2.0 system really changing that very much, especially since there will be an enormous gap between veterans and newer players. Unfair advantages like that should be left in Cyrodiil or Imperial City, and not make their way into Battlegrounds.

Talk about a self-fullfilling prophecy! The reason "BG regulars" who don't like CP are the only regulars in the first place is BECAUSE players who prefer to play with CP were chased out of Battlegrounds years ago. I refuse to invest time or gold into No-CP builds or No-CP game modes because I know that No-CP is bad for the health and integrity of the game. By supporting No-CP BGs, all you guys are doing is giving the ZOS devs an excuse to delay balancing their game so they have more time to code more loot crates for the crown store. ZOS had an opportunity to fix things for Battlegrounds with CP 2.0, and it sounds like they blew it. That's a crying shame, but it's still not a reason to deprive players of the CHOICE to play with the CP they've spents years earning.

In order for ZOS to balance all PvP around being CP-enabled, both survivability and sustain would have to be nerfed pretty substantially. This would invariably affect PvE, and probably cause the forums to crash from all the fit-throwing that would ensue. Not to mention the huge power gap that exists between newer players and those with max (or near max) CP.

UntouchableHunter wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

Please KEEP CPs OUT of BGs.

Whenever I play BGs, I think NO CP is how PvP should be:
- good balance
- accessible for new players
- players are rewarded for skill

Whenever I play CYRO, I think CP is how PvP never not be:
- terrible balance
- hell for new players
- players are rewarded for playing time (CP), not for skill

New players and you still can choose play no CP BG. Let how wana play CP BG have the same right to chose as you already have

As some of us have already pointed out, that would almost certainly mean that the ability to choose game modes would not make a comeback. And given the option between being able to pick game modes, or being able to choose CP-enabled (which, again, is horribly balanced for 4v4v4), I think the choice is clear.

I think a lot of people just don't appreciate how badly CP has always been balanced when good players are involved and you can't bring a zerg.

KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »

u can balance stuff with the battle spirit effect
so it would only affect pvp

btw i m anway for splitting pve from pvp balancing completly

and power gap is just mimimi
a newer player never never never should be as strong as a max cp player

Trying to balance it with Battlespirit would effectively ruin no-CP; survivability and sustain would be practically non-existent. This means that anyone who's either new, transfers from one platform to another, or just prefers not having an unfair advantage over the opposition due to having played longer, loses out. Not to mention all the number tweaking ZOS would have to play with in order to get max-CP in PvP balanced via Battlespirit. There are much better places for them to put in that sort of effort...like class and set balancing.

PvP should be accessible to newer players, platform transfers, and those who are returning after some time away from the game. Forcing them to do some horrendously boring PvE grind in order to be competitive is a terrible idea, and one that I hope Zenimax never listens to. PvP should be more skill-competitive, not something that hands out unfair advantages just because Player-A has invested more time than Player-B.

If we want balanced PvP for any modes such as cyro and BG, we need to disable all cp and proc sets.

Only after that we will see the return of skilled players and not trolls.

That's it

I would just like to have the other objective battlegrounds back or a totally separate actually random queue! They can be CP or non; I’m not particular on that.

As someone that has grinded BG's at a high level for the last five years it is apparent that CP in BG's is a poor idea. At a high level most deathmatches conclude due to time rather than kills, if CP were to be introduced survivability and sustain would be increased, and even less players would die in a structured team.

What we really need is a proper ranked queue

KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »

with the cp rework its finaly time to get the option to play battlegrounds with cp

in cyro player can choose if they want to play with or without cp
in battlegrounds we dont have the option

and there is no reason for it - and for anyone who will say now that the queues would be to long... they just recently merged the queues for the game mode so it will be fine .

so zos gives us FINALY cp bgs!!!

Flat no

They tried it and it was awful. The games all went to time, it didn't suit the pace.

thats the argument which comes up every time but after a few reworks why shouldnt they they even reintroduced crits on proc sets

even if u dont want cp pls dont stand in the way for players who want no one itends to force u to play cp

Because it would split population so it would impact.

Honnestly though it's just not a playstyle suited to battlegrounds.

Give us a proper ranked battleground! Competitive players need an outlet.

Crap I posted this same thing above and forgot, my b!