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Can we have an ETA on the BG test end?

Marcus_Aurelius
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Is too much to ask to know when this "test" will end?
I would like to start again to do BGs, i still miss a lot of achievments for other modes.

is it too much to ask for a date? I'm sorry, i don't want to incovenience you but is really so hard to just give us a date?
  • aerrow77
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    I played BGs everyday too, but WONT during this test anymore.

    I didnt even know about the BG changes coming out.

    I've been playing eso for only a couple months so far with my wife and I would do a few BGs everyday but have been wondering why ive only been getting deathmatch the last few weeks.... just found out..... -.- [snip] This really sucks.

    Also now your data is skewed, I didnt realize i was getting DM only for almost a month, I thought I was just really really unlucky lol!

    Would've quit BG's much sooner.
    [edited for bashing]
    Edited by aerrow77 on October 11, 2021 4:58PM
  • bathynomusESO
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    A date would be nice. Getting bored with dungeons, PVP was kinda my rest to goof off at the end of the day.
  • thesarahandcompany
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    When they collect enough data they'll be done. I don't get how you think they can give a date when it's dependent on so many factors out of their control.
    Sarahandcompany
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  • Taggund
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    When they collect enough data they'll be done. I don't get how you think they can give a date when it's dependent on so many factors out of their control.

    The factors are totally in their control. If they don't get the data they want in a specific time period, then that is a failure of their test plan, and an indication it was a bad test. However, as with not sharing what they are testing, sharing dates is also not expected. They don't even provide advance dates for events until right as they start.
  • Trenia
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    Hopefully they leave BGs in some way like they are now. I hate objective games as solo queue. DM is where it's at.
  • gariondavey
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    We should have an update on this Battlegrounds test in the next few days, including next steps for the immediate future.

    Hi Gina, thanks for the update. Myself, and many members of my bg guilds have played a lot of bgs the last several weeks. Unfortunately, a huge chunk of the bg population left for new world. Being able to choose which mode you want to play would go a long way in trying to retain the bg player base.

    Unfortunately, the releasing of dark convergence and hrothgar as they were at the start of the patch drove many players away from playing dm. When there are more than 1-2 dark convergence users in a bg, it is awful and not fun.

    People want to choose which modes to play. A rework of several of the objective game modes so that they encourage conflict would be a good move. Getting AP for kills in bgs would as well.

    Please help cultivate the bg population, @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin !
    PC NA @gariondavey, BG + Cyrodiil Focused Since October 2017
    Stamplar (main), Magplar, Magsorc, StamDK, MagDK, Stamblade, Magden, Stamden
  • M0R_Gaming
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    Trenia wrote: »
    Hopefully they leave BGs in some way like they are now. I hate objective games as solo queue. DM is where it's at.

    I partially agree with you, as I love DMs, though I'd love it if there were 2 queues like before, 1 queue for dms and 1 for random objectives. I personally love playing dms as a group, and objectives as solo.

    Though, more than that, can we get the solo bg queue to be the default selected when you are not in a group? It's annoying to queue up then realize you queued into the wrong queue midway through waiting.
    PC/NA - PvP/PvE AD Magsorc main
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  • Urvoth
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    We should have an update on this Battlegrounds test in the next few days, including next steps for the immediate future.

    I find it odd that the solo queue “test” lasted for 3 patches, yet this dm queue test isn’t even live for a full patch before you make a decision.

    There’s no way the data from this is going to be useful since dm queue only started a week before New World came out, and a huge chunk of players (from pve too) haven’t even logged in since.
  • Eevee_42
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    We should have an update on this Battlegrounds test in the next few days, including next steps for the immediate future.

    Thanks for the update! Please keep in mind that the timing of this test occurred during a mass exodus of pvp players, so I don’t believe the numbers shown during this brief experiment are that useful. The game lost around 95% of the high MMR BG regulars in the past month on top of potential Cyrodiil players who might have been interested in deathmatch but avoided BGs due to the objective random queue.

    For those who are serious about pvp and are still sticking around, them continuing to play eso hinges on this decision. I can only hope that we will still have the option to queue for deathmatch. Otherwise, it’ll likely spell the end for the remaining pvp players left in BGs.
  • NagualV
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    I think it's funny that people think ZOS somehow isnt aware of 'that other game's' existence, its release/ timing with the battleground test, or that people who dont like DM wouldnt participate, the effect of dark convergence, etc....

  • jaws343
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    Eevee_42 wrote: »
    We should have an update on this Battlegrounds test in the next few days, including next steps for the immediate future.

    Thanks for the update! Please keep in mind that the timing of this test occurred during a mass exodus of pvp players, so I don’t believe the numbers shown during this brief experiment are that useful. The game lost around 95% of the high MMR BG regulars in the past month on top of potential Cyrodiil players who might have been interested in deathmatch but avoided BGs due to the objective random queue.

    For those who are serious about pvp and are still sticking around, them continuing to play eso hinges on this decision. I can only hope that we will still have the option to queue for deathmatch. Otherwise, it’ll likely spell the end for the remaining pvp players left in BGs.

    On one platform maybe. There are two other platforms.
  • Magio_
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    Communication from ZOS is very refreshing.
    Please do it more often and thanks for the update. I am concerned, as @Urvoth pointed out, that previous changes to the BG Queue system lasted several patches. I mean, I'm pretty sure it's been 2 years since I we've been able to queue as a duo/squad for DM specifically. Why was the duration so short?
    NagualV wrote: »
    I think it's funny that people think ZOS somehow isn't aware of 'that other game's' existence, its release/ timing with the battleground test, or that people who don't like DM wouldn't participate, the effect of dark convergence, etc....

    It's not that we think they're not aware. We're concerned they'll ignore those factors and say "We made BGs DM only and participation dropped, so we'll keep the queue completely random forever". Sadly, it's something a good portion of the DM BG population can see as a possible outcome. This idea has come up quite a few times in our guild/community Discords. We're pointing it out so ZOS can't say they never thought about it later on.

    A lot of our friends haven't logged on ESO since New World launched, so they didn't participate in this DM-only test as much as they would've otherwise. That doesn't mean they won't ever come back to ESO.

    Group DM queue needs to stay. Even if singled out. Community held BG tournaments and even more casual BG guilds' PvP nights depend on the Group DM queue.
    Edited by Magio_ on October 13, 2021 9:41PM
  • NagualV
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    Magio_ wrote: »
    Communication from ZOS is very refreshing.
    Please do it more often and thanks for the update. I am concerned, as @Urvoth pointed out, that previous changes to the BG Queue system lasted several patches. I mean, I'm pretty sure it's been 2 years since I we've been able to queue as a duo/squad for DM specifically. Why was the duration so short?
    NagualV wrote: »
    I think it's funny that people think ZOS somehow isnt aware of 'that other game's' existence, its release/ timing with the battleground test, or that people who dont like DM wouldnt participate, the effect of dark convergence, etc....

    It's not that we think they're not aware. We're concerned they'll ignore those factors and say "We made BGs DM only and participation dropped, so we'll keep the queue completely random forever". Sadly, it's something a good portion of the DM BG population can see as a possible outcome. This idea has come up quite a few times in our guild/community Discords. We're pointing it out so ZOS can't say thy never thought about it later on.

    A lot of our friends haven't logged on ESO since New World launched, so they didn't participate in this DM-only test as much as they would've otherwise. That doesn't mean they won't ever come back to ESO.

    Group DM queue needs to stay. Even if singled out. Community held BG tournaments and even more casual BG guilds' PvP nights depend on the Group DM queue.

    Trust me my friend, I'm on your side in this thread. I like open world, and dont like battlegrounds that much, but the only mode I do enjoy is deathmatch....I would think the most popular view is to give everyone the choice.....

    What im saying is that some of us are making assumptions about WHAT ZOS are testing....we dont actually know exactly what they are testing.
  • Lordtalon90
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    ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
    We should have an update on this Battlegrounds test in the next few days, including next steps for the immediate future.

    I personally have loved the deathwatch only queue. I would love to retain this feature as an avid pvper. Also if we could get some new BG maps anytime soon it would be nice too. It's been forever.
  • Magio_
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    NagualV wrote: »
    I would think the most popular view is to give everyone the choice.....

    What im saying is that some of us are making assumptions about WHAT ZOS are testing....we dont actually know exactly what they are testing.

    That's what DM players have been asking. Being able to choose.

    Well whatever it is ZOS is testing, it obviously has to do with DM mode in BGs. All my BG guilds have gotten the short end of the stick every time they changed how the BG Queue system works for 2+ years. Sorry if we are concerned we'll be let down yet again...
  • NagualV
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    Magio_ wrote: »
    NagualV wrote: »
    I would think the most popular view is to give everyone the choice.....

    What im saying is that some of us are making assumptions about WHAT ZOS are testing....we dont actually know exactly what they are testing.

    That's what DM players have been asking. Being able to choose.

    Well whatever it is ZOS is testing, it obviously has to do with DM mode in BGs. All my BG guilds have gotten the short end of the stick every time they changed how the BG Queue system works for 2+ years. Sorry if we are concerned we'll be let down yet again...

    I totally understand the frustration
  • gariondavey
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    Excellent points @Magio_
    PC NA @gariondavey, BG + Cyrodiil Focused Since October 2017
    Stamplar (main), Magplar, Magsorc, StamDK, MagDK, Stamblade, Magden, Stamden
  • thesarahandcompany
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    Urvoth wrote: »
    We should have an update on this Battlegrounds test in the next few days, including next steps for the immediate future.

    I find it odd that the solo queue “test” lasted for 3 patches, yet this dm queue test isn’t even live for a full patch before you make a decision.

    There’s no way the data from this is going to be useful since dm queue only started a week before New World came out, and a huge chunk of players (from pve too) haven’t even logged in since.

    This. This test has not lasted long enough to result in any conclusion unless that conclusion is to return the original choice back to players.

    If a decision to go one way, most likely we would expect a gutting of the deathmatch players, then it's clear this test was performative and biased data are being used (re: the meta and new world launch) to make an uninformed decision.
    Sarahandcompany
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  • RedTalon
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    Thanks for the update even though mostly on break from bgs have done a few and only on certain maps, its pretty dulll everyone just spams dc and runs in balls. Snipe types are likely having a blast on some maps though.

    But yeah not sure if the data will be good sometimes leave a match that is clearly one sided wait five mins and reque and end up in the same match on a different team so not a lot of people some days on PC NA
  • Magio_
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    Nogawd wrote: »
    Great, now do a test completely removing DM.

    They basically already did for a whole year. Average 15% rate of appearance according to PvP Meter. We could go full days at a time without seeing a DM. Then when we finally did get one the MMR system, which is terrible to begin with, was completely based on RNG, so we'd just farm objective bots until they left and the match wasn't good anyway. Yet, you can't even handle 3 weeks of actual PvP.
    Edited by Magio_ on October 13, 2021 9:38PM
  • bathynomusESO
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    Nogawd wrote: »
    Great, now do a test completely removing DM.

    Yes, please. For science.
  • moo_2021
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    Do you guys realize DC could be much worse without DM??


    Keep DC effects on objective areas for 15 minutes, the end.
  • thesarahandcompany
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    Nogawd wrote: »
    Great, now do a test completely removing DM.

    Why? It is herstorically the most popular form of BG. This DM-only queue experiment should be extended until the next DLC chapter release in my opinion.
    Sarahandcompany
    She/Her/Hers
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