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fredthefrown wrote: »Calling it a luxury vendor feels like false advertising. 9 out of 10 times it’s generic looking junk. I guess putting nice things on the lux vendor is just too hard and dangerous right? They act like they got a warehouse full of stock they need to move. ITS DIGITAL CONTENT! Why they always trying to get us to buy junk nobody is asking for?
fredthefrown wrote: »Calling it a luxury vendor feels like false advertising. 9 out of 10 times it’s generic looking junk. I guess putting nice things on the lux vendor is just too hard and dangerous right? They act like they got a warehouse full of stock they need to move. ITS DIGITAL CONTENT! Why they always trying to get us to buy junk nobody is asking for?
But I agree with you. This game is chock-full of ornate, beautiful, and just plain really cool furnishings; it seems pretty weird that so few of them come from the limited-time "Luxury Furnisher", right? Apparently a lot of people are really defensive about their snowy bones and wooden posts and whatnot, though :P
Kiralyn2000 wrote: »But I agree with you. This game is chock-full of ornate, beautiful, and just plain really cool furnishings; it seems pretty weird that so few of them come from the limited-time "Luxury Furnisher", right? Apparently a lot of people are really defensive about their snowy bones and wooden posts and whatnot, though :P
No, we just get tired of seeing "OMG, how is this luxury?!?!" every other week. It's been done, get a new schtick. /yawn
Yes, it would have saved a lot of trouble if they'd just named it the "Themed Furniture Vendor" instead of "Luxury". /shrug
edit: or, if you'd like to look at it a different way, he's a Luxury Furniture Vendor. He's very luxurious, and he sells furniture.
Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Yes, it would have saved a lot of trouble if they'd just named it the "Themed Furniture Vendor" instead of "Luxury". /shrug
spartaxoxo wrote: »fredthefrown wrote: »Calling it a luxury vendor feels like false advertising. 9 out of 10 times it’s generic looking junk. I guess putting nice things on the lux vendor is just too hard and dangerous right? They act like they got a warehouse full of stock they need to move. ITS DIGITAL CONTENT! Why they always trying to get us to buy junk nobody is asking for?
Just because it's not to your taste doesn't mean it's junk. Just accept that by luxury they mean a themed showpiece and you'll be a lot happier.
Personally I will be happily buying that Bonfire for my enchanted snowglobe house, it fits much better the snowy area than the New Life Bonfire.
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I often like the non-luxurious things this guy sells, too! But that stuff should just be always-available furnishings, in my view.
something adding to pleasure or comfort but not absolutely necessary
an indulgence in something that provides pleasure, satisfaction, or ease
Araneae6537 wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »fredthefrown wrote: »Calling it a luxury vendor feels like false advertising. 9 out of 10 times it’s generic looking junk. I guess putting nice things on the lux vendor is just too hard and dangerous right? They act like they got a warehouse full of stock they need to move. ITS DIGITAL CONTENT! Why they always trying to get us to buy junk nobody is asking for?
Just because it's not to your taste doesn't mean it's junk. Just accept that by luxury they mean a themed showpiece and you'll be a lot happier.
Personally I will be happily buying that Bonfire for my enchanted snowglobe house, it fits much better the snowy area than the New Life Bonfire.
Is that supposed to be a snowy effect on the rocks and wood? I thought it was just their coloring as surely wood thay was burning would not long have any snow left on it, would it? I have no experience with fires outside in snowy conditions so I could be mistaken. Just asking out of interest.
Well, toilet paper is a luxury in some primitive societies even nowadays, but I wouldn't want to be able to buy it from one luxury store only one weekend a year. Does it matter what is luxury for Rieklings when there are no playable Rieklings?spartaxoxo wrote: ».
I often like the non-luxurious things this guy sells, too! But that stuff should just be always-available furnishings, in my view.
I don't find it a valid criticism that the luxury vendor doesn't always sell items that fits a very narrow definition of luxury. The fact of the matter is that many people DO find the items are being used as luxury items for their themed homes. A bonfire isn't utilitarian to everyone. Some people just think camping, others think glamorous parties where the bonfire is the star of the show.
And I personally think those that want the luxury vendor to only sell items that THEY think are luxuries to be obnoxious, and frankly a little disrespectful to the people who enjoy those items but have to read every year about how their favorite items should be removed.
Some of these items don't float my boat either. But thus far I have seen a lot of excellent standout stuff being done with almost each and everyone of them, as showcases that completely tie a room together and steal the show.
In the end this is one of the defintions of luxury, and these items generally fit those defintions for their themes.something adding to pleasure or comfort but not absolutely necessary
an indulgence in something that provides pleasure, satisfaction, or ease
And the problem here that ZOS thinks that one weekend a year is "difficult to obtain", but we should really look at how difficult it is to obtain in Tamriel, not in game. A bonfire is not difficult to obtain, you need just a few logs and a fireball.An inessential, desirable item which is expensive or difficult to obtain.
Well, toilet paper is a luxury in some primitive societies even nowadays, but I wouldn't want to be able to buy it from one luxury store only one weekend a year. Does it matter what is luxury for Rieklings when there are no playable Rieklings?spartaxoxo wrote: ».
I often like the non-luxurious things this guy sells, too! But that stuff should just be always-available furnishings, in my view.
I don't find it a valid criticism that the luxury vendor doesn't always sell items that fits a very narrow definition of luxury. The fact of the matter is that many people DO find the items are being used as luxury items for their themed homes. A bonfire isn't utilitarian to everyone. Some people just think camping, others think glamorous parties where the bonfire is the star of the show.
And I personally think those that want the luxury vendor to only sell items that THEY think are luxuries to be obnoxious, and frankly a little disrespectful to the people who enjoy those items but have to read every year about how their favorite items should be removed.
Some of these items don't float my boat either. But thus far I have seen a lot of excellent standout stuff being done with almost each and everyone of them, as showcases that completely tie a room together and steal the show.
In the end this is one of the defintions of luxury, and these items generally fit those defintions for their themes.something adding to pleasure or comfort but not absolutely necessary
an indulgence in something that provides pleasure, satisfaction, or ease
As for the definition, I find this one to be more accurate:And the problem here that ZOS thinks that one weekend a year is "difficult to obtain", but we should really look at how difficult it is to obtain in Tamriel, not in game. A bonfire is not difficult to obtain, you need just a few logs and a fireball.An inessential, desirable item which is expensive or difficult to obtain.
spartaxoxo wrote: »Well, toilet paper is a luxury in some primitive societies even nowadays, but I wouldn't want to be able to buy it from one luxury store only one weekend a year. Does it matter what is luxury for Rieklings when there are no playable Rieklings?spartaxoxo wrote: ».
I often like the non-luxurious things this guy sells, too! But that stuff should just be always-available furnishings, in my view.
I don't find it a valid criticism that the luxury vendor doesn't always sell items that fits a very narrow definition of luxury. The fact of the matter is that many people DO find the items are being used as luxury items for their themed homes. A bonfire isn't utilitarian to everyone. Some people just think camping, others think glamorous parties where the bonfire is the star of the show.
And I personally think those that want the luxury vendor to only sell items that THEY think are luxuries to be obnoxious, and frankly a little disrespectful to the people who enjoy those items but have to read every year about how their favorite items should be removed.
Some of these items don't float my boat either. But thus far I have seen a lot of excellent standout stuff being done with almost each and everyone of them, as showcases that completely tie a room together and steal the show.
In the end this is one of the defintions of luxury, and these items generally fit those defintions for their themes.something adding to pleasure or comfort but not absolutely necessary
an indulgence in something that provides pleasure, satisfaction, or ease
As for the definition, I find this one to be more accurate:And the problem here that ZOS thinks that one weekend a year is "difficult to obtain", but we should really look at how difficult it is to obtain in Tamriel, not in game. A bonfire is not difficult to obtain, you need just a few logs and a fireball.An inessential, desirable item which is expensive or difficult to obtain.
All three defintions of luxury are equally valid. And in this case, ZoS clearly uses the idea of luxury that fits the other two rather than the one you listed. Which us entirely valid.
Who cared about the Riekling stuff? I did. As I said last week the boar pelt is great for a hunter cabin (mine is full so I skipped that one but honestly regret it now), and I'm excited by this bonfire right now. Those are absolutely luxury items the way I'm using them. My bonfire is literally the center piece of a little Christmas party, and bonfire parties are quite luxurious indeed.
The luxury vendor has plenty of beautiful items that cater to your idea of luxury. You shouldn't be expect to be pleased by the theme every single week because all of us have different tastes.
An item can't be a luxurious item, when you can see it in any house (especially when talking about poor citizen houses), and by house I mean NPC house, not player house.
An item can't be a luxurious item, when any tamrielic citizen can make it without any effort. It doesn't matter what a player is excited about, it matters what a common tamrielic citizen is excited about.
And those are not luxury items, because they are not expensive and not rare.spartaxoxo wrote: »Yes. It can. If it's primarily there for stuff like comfort and not necessary, it is a luxury. Even in real life, we have everyday luxuries that you can find in many homes. Like nice picture frames, ice cream sundaes, and cozy socks.
I can, that's the whole point. Players can't make Rieklings, so it doesn't matter what is luxury for Rieklings. Players can make imperials or wood elves, so it does matter what is luxury for imperials and wood elves. Not for the players, but for imperials and wood elves themselves.spartaxoxo wrote: »It does matter what a player is excited about, it's an item for player homes. And you can't use this and then also turn around and say "who cares if these are luxuries to the Rieklings, when players cannot make Rieklings."
And those are not luxury items, because they are not expensive and not rare.spartaxoxo wrote: »Yes. It can. If it's primarily there for stuff like comfort and not necessary, it is a luxury. Even in real life, we have everyday luxuries that you can find in many homes. Like nice picture frames, ice cream sundaes, and cozy socks.
I can, that's the whole point. Players can't make Rieklings, so it doesn't matter what is luxury for Rieklings. Players can make imperials or wood elves, so it does matter what is luxury for imperials and wood elves. Not for the players, but for imperials and wood elves themselves.spartaxoxo wrote: »It does matter what a player is excited about, it's an item for player homes. And you can't use this and then also turn around and say "who cares if these are luxuries to the Rieklings, when players cannot make Rieklings."
spartaxoxo wrote: »Those are luxury items, and fall very nearly into the latter defintion. An item does NOT have to be expensive and rare to be a luxury. Again, your defintion us too narrow
There is absolutely no reference direct or implied that player pov is important either in "It doesn't matter what a player is excited about, it matters what a common tamrielic citizen is excited about." or in "it does matter what is luxury for [character races that can be used by players]".spartaxoxo wrote: »No. You can't. It's arbitrary and not logical. Either the player pov is important or it is not. Tamriel is made up of more than just the playable races