Vampire Lord 5pc Bonus?

Sahidom · May 2020

There is a degree of uncertainty in the item set's description for Vampire Lord, does the 5pc set bonus replace the Vampire's feed chart? Or are they an additive?

I did not have enough time to test the differences, and in some instances would have required another person. For instance, does the vampire receive 6% more Fire damage or 26% more fire damage (@Stage4)

Merca · May 2020

Too expensive a sopsobility, surely there will be a more interesting ability in the game. So hammer.

Vevvev · May 2020

It adds onto the bonuses and debuffs. So in total it is 26% more flame damage not 6%. So it'll look like this when you equip it.

Health Recovery: -10/-30/-60/-100%
Flame Damage Taken: +6/+10/+17/+26%
Regular Ability Cost Increase: +4/+7/+12/+18%
Vampire Ability Cost Decrease -11/-20/-31/-44%

wheem_ESO · May 2020

Vevvev wrote: »

It adds onto the bonuses and debuffs. So in total it is 26% more flame damage not 6%. So it'll look like this when you equip it.

Health Recovery: -10/-30/-60/-100%
Flame Damage Taken: +6/+10/+17/+26%
Regular Ability Cost Increase: +4/+7/+12/+18%
Vampire Ability Cost Decrease -11/-20/-31/-44%

So...pretty much the worst set in the game then.

Making the Vampire abilities cheaper is nice and all, but that's not a complete toolkit. You simply can't play it like a Werewolf and expect to actually be effective (at least in PvP). Further increasing the cost of non-Vampire abilities and incoming Fire Damage are total deal breakers, especially considering the meager benefits and massive opportunity cost of skipping out on another set.

Vevvev · May 2020

Pretty much. They ruined this set and didn't change anything about it when they made vampire changes in 6.0.3. I honestly don' see myself ever using this set and I'm unequipping it from my sorc vampire.

Sahidom · May 2020

"What a brilliant idea, ***," to mime Rex Foreman. So its a ruined set then

Austinseph1 · May 2020

This is for the people that liked vamp before they nerfed the cost increases, if they existed

Paradisius · May 2020

Austinseph1 wrote: »

This is for the people that liked vamp before they nerfed the cost increases, if they existed

Oh I loved 6.0.2 and prior Vampire, high stage Vampirism was interesting because the ability cost increase was trumped by using Vampire skills as a high stage Vampire, it made sense.

That being said. Evening I think the set was dead on arrival with this new change, Vampires did not need the extra cost reduction and the spell damage the one on the live servers gives is actually a better option over this. This set is now only for people who want the old Vampire cost reduction we had so badly that they will sacrifice a 5 piece effect for it.

DT-ARR · May 2020

Been salty about this set change since the first pts notes dropped. Unfortunately giving feedback to ZOS is kind of like giving feedback to someone in a coma. Maybe they can hear you. Maybe they can't. Either way theres no response so whats the point.

Noxavian · May 2020

Paradisius wrote: »

Austinseph1 wrote: »

This is for the people that liked vamp before they nerfed the cost increases, if they existed

Oh I loved 6.0.2 and prior Vampire, high stage Vampirism was interesting because the ability cost increase was trumped by using Vampire skills as a high stage Vampire, it made sense.

That being said. Evening I think the set was dead on arrival with this new change, Vampires did not need the extra cost reduction and the spell damage the one on the live servers gives is actually a better option over this. This set is now only for people who want the old Vampire cost reduction we had so badly that they will sacrifice a 5 piece effect for it.

I still stand by the fact vamp's spell cost reduction should of remained at 40%. The added 20% from the vampire lord armor set was kinda noticeable then. But now? Yeah the set is trash. Wont catch me using it.

Which is ironic because it is literally called the vampire lord....

Sahidom · May 2020

What I'm mythed about was the rationale how the traditional 5 pcs bonus typically benefits the character e.g. some mechanic that return some increased value. The additional % stack to the preexisting % costs fails here. But... that's neither here nor there now, thanks for the replies everyone.

Env_t · May 2020

1) will Scion morph negate debuffs from this set?
2) what if you will use only vamp abilities, and other abilities when in SCion form? must be top

soulferin · May 2020

It's absurd I would understand if this set lower the penalty so You could get -1/-2/-4/-6 same with the flame dmg. It's so stupid to equip armor that harms You

ESO_Nightingale · June 2020

This set needs to be a better version of what it once was. Not whatever *** this is

Aelorin · June 2020

This set is actually quite good to get more uptime on shimmering frenzy. I use it with Crafty Alfiq on my vam Nightblade and I quite like it (for Overland content).

ESO_Nightingale · June 2020

Aelorin wrote: »

This set is actually quite good to get more uptime on shimmering frenzy. I use it with Crafty Alfiq on my vam Nightblade and I quite like it (for Overland content).

You can do overland content with your limbs sawn off. This set is atrocious and doesn't offer anywhere near enough to offset the downsides.

ESO_Nightingale · June 2020

i just quickly designed a new version of this set to make it more enticing. it doesn't seem too hard. it now kinda feels like a vampire focused version of new moon acolyte that is slightly less powerful offensively but offers a good size cost reduction to vampire abilities but more fire damage and regular ability cost reduction. if anyone wants to crunch the numbers to find more balanced figures i'm fine with that, this was more about the idea.

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Sporvan · June 2020

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

i just quickly designed a new version of this set to make it more enticing. it doesn't seem too hard. it now kinda feels like a vampire focused version of new moon acolyte that is slightly less powerful offensively but offers a good size cost reduction to vampire abilities but more fire damage and regular ability cost reduction. if anyone wants to crunch the numbers to find more balanced figures i'm fine with that, this was more about the idea.

Now that would be fantastic!

Daemon_689 · July 2020

I mean, you can go two ways with it, either make it help vampire crunch of higher stages or boost things to balance the hits your taking to this set as is.

Me preferably I would like to see something that offsets the debuffs of vampirism a bit with continued reduction of vampire cost abilities (maybe to a slightly smaller degree.) Like just make extra class abilities cost a bit less per stage, and maybe get HP regen to like 90% reduction at stage 4. Remove the fire debuff increase, and just a smaller reduction to vampire ability cost and it would be a pretty fun set that just overall enhances the general play of vampires, and make you feel like a superior one.

Also, I feel is should also be a stam/magicka set now.... I know vampirism is still magicka focused, but with a stamina drain ability and the ult giving stamina boost, I feel the set should reflect that vampirism helps with not just magicka.

And for all those who say vamps are not stamina, then I would suggest you tell that to the Blood Knights all in Blackreach.

Spectral_Force · July 2020

Random shower thought, but I reckon the 5-piece bonus can function similarly to Stage 5 the Perfect Scion morph currently provides - instead of giving you further buffs and debuffs, it can instead reduce the negative effects of vampirism.

Eliminating the drawbacks entirely is probably not a good idea - it will make everyone run around at Stage 4, reaping all the benefits and none of the drawbacks, and that sounds pretty overpowered even for a 5-piece bonus. But cutting the drawbacks in half should be pretty useful. So with VL set, your Feed passive will look something like:

Stage 1/2/3/4

Health Recovery: -5%/-15%/-30%/-50%
Flame Damage Taken: +2.5%/+4%/+6.5%/+10%
Regular Ability Costs: +1.5%/+2.5%/+4%/+6%
Vampire Ability Costs: -6%/-10%/-16%/-24%

So the "effective" 5-piece bonus ends up being "increased" health recovery, slightly "reduced" Flame damage taken, and slightly "reduced" normal ability costs (all in scare quotes because it's technically reduced reductions and reduced increases), which sounds about on par with other 5-piece bonuses.

And as for Perfect Scion, no one is using it (unless they prefer its aesthetics or are one of those hipsters who pick the uncommon morph just because no one else is using it), and it's due for a redesign anyway (there have been a few ideas out there on how to fix it, but basically something along the lines of reduced cost or increased duration), so the conflict in functionality shouldn't be a problem.

Cinbri · July 2020

As bad as other vamp set that give useless minor protection.

Dreyloch · July 2020

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

It adds onto the bonuses and debuffs. So in total it is 26% more flame damage not 6%. So it'll look like this when you equip it.

Health Recovery: -10/-30/-60/-100%
Flame Damage Taken: +6/+10/+17/+26%
Regular Ability Cost Increase: +4/+7/+12/+18%
Vampire Ability Cost Decrease -11/-20/-31/-44%

So...pretty much the worst set in the game then.

Making the Vampire abilities cheaper is nice and all, but that's not a complete toolkit. You simply can't play it like a Werewolf and expect to actually be effective (at least in PvP). Further increasing the cost of non-Vampire abilities and incoming Fire Damage are total deal breakers, especially considering the meager benefits and massive opportunity cost of skipping out on another set.

Yep, totally the worst set ever. It'd be great if it LESSENED the vampire debuffs. But this is ZoS we're talking about.