Maybe not call in infinite reinforcements, but yeah. local guards within shout range could come to help if you didnt manage to murder the original guard soon enough.

If ZOS would expand on the thieves guild and dark brotherhood at all, it could be cool to be able to draw guards away from high value targets.

ahh, dreams.

No. Not players.

Skyrim's justice system was pretty good. I would much prefer something along those lines.

It isnt the difficulty of the guards that i find annoying, cuz they arent difficult to bypass through various ways,

it is the immersion breaking nature of them being unkillable that i find to be not only stupid but boring.

Players bounty-hunting criminals would be A-MAZING!

I would sign up to hunt the outlaws that have slain our brave city guards in an instant.

While on the surface kill-able guards sounds like it would be more fun, you have to keep in mind player behavior.

Imagine when someone with a decent solo build starts killing guards to see how bad-ass he/she is. Then imagine a group of people deciding to see how many guards they can kill. Now imagine the entire player base across all cities...

You would go into towns and see the entire population slaughtered and a pile of guard bodies next to a group of players with their guard killing optimized builds that Alcast came up with.

I might be exaggerating a little, but something like this would be taken as a challenge by some players, whereas unkillable guards gets boring pretty quick and everyone leaves them alone.

Its funny guards are demigods and yet when you have someone like Lyris Titanborn following you, she does so little damage she cant defeat a mudcrab.

I guess we just need to practice suspension of disbelief.

Yeah I talked about this concept, it's an annoyance that should be expanded or removed. There's no reward worth being kill by a guard and there's nothing gained by attacking a guard. Basically the guards just force you to ignore doing crime which is easy because you have a much higher risk of losing more gold than gaining any substantial amount. I proposed killable guards, special drops / achievements for killing key npcs like vivec (him being as strong as a raid boss) and the creation of the morag tong guild which would allow you to hunt down player criminals, kill them, and collect the bounty they've created upon themselves (randomly assigned to prevent exploit) as a way of introducing controlled small scale pvp to the world. On the flip side you could go further, say with the dark brotherhood, and place a bounty on a certain player you might not like (with a large cool down to prevent griefing) and dark brotherhood players could take the quest and hunt that player. Don't want to be hunted? Don't commit crimes and don't be a jerk to people, this system would actually help the community in my opinion.
Also regional bounties instead of a world bounty. When I proposed such, a bunch of wussys were like this isn't wow blah blah blah, npcs would die, blah cry blah. Well yeah that's the point, I don't like a bland world and if a enemy faction wants to raid through stormhaven it'd be entertaining as heck to watch DC fight back or help fight back myself. I want a world driven by player interactions and events not scripted ones so man up wussys this should be a pvp focused game. These changes might drive some scrub newbies to quit boo woo but it'll bring back all the serious players who made cyrodil lit when eso first came out and bringing those people back will make the company more money than some scrub who bow light attacks a dungeon boss crying about pvp

The justice system is about sneaking. Killable guards would let players murder their way out of everything, which is already what you do in the entire rest of the game. If you don't like sneaking, and prefer killing, don't play the justice system. Play the rest of the game.

idk wrote: »

The justice system is to easy as it is. The guards are the only small issue to deal with and that is if someone messes up to begin with. They are so easy to get away from most of the time anyhow. Of course, if it was more like Skyrim when you get caught I could get behind guards being killable. The flood of NPCs that came after you were pretty serious.

I expect OP would have preferred the original conception of the Justice System. Players could attack you if you had a bounty.

Actually that would be an amazing idea. It's not the first time an MMO implements that system, like TERA or BDO, and it would be great if done well.

-Players should be allowed to have a "bandit mode" of sorts, where, when active, you can attack players outside cities or safe spots.
-Safe spots could be not only cities, but also places where you can accept quests, wayshrines...etc
-"Bandit" players who kill another player get a bounty, and players who already have a bounty because they got caught stealing or killing NPCS can be targeted.
-When a player kills a target with a bounty they get the same gold amount, and players with a bounty who manage to escape before the bounty timer wears off will get the same gold amount.

There would be limitations, like the range of levels/CP (like, you can only attack players of your same level or in a range of your level-5/+5, or +/-20 CP up to 160, and above 160 all players could attack or be attacked without restrictions...), that kind of thing.

Rovaeden wrote: »

The Justice System is Dumb!

Let me clarify that. The Justice System with Unkillable Guards is Dumb!

Guards need to be vulnerable to the Blade of Woe. They need to be vulnerable to the new vampire feeding.

They need to be tough but killable!
Godlike guards are completely stupid. Why even have players heroes when one city guard could just go out and solo Molag Bal and any other big bad to threaten the world.

They not only break immersion but they make the Justice System just an irritation rather than an interesting and compelling part of gameplay that forces you to balance risk.

I don't expect ZOS to do anything about this because they can barely succeed in not ruining the game as a whole with every patch, like a blind driver in the Indy 500, but I enjoy wasting my time typing about stuff I hope will happen but never will.

Hey, can we take a minute to speak about how all door become closed when you're in figth ?
This + unkillable guard was breaking immersion so much on DBH or TG "role play"...

I always come to check forum time to time, glad to see thing never change since I stopped playing :>
Hope for you they finally do something about it, but, tbh, don't except anything, not even a reply.