State of PVP

Knightpanther · May 19

ACGOG wrote: »

I've never understood the "let me bash the [Snip] out of the game I'm still actively playing without providing any type of constructive criticism" from people that have "quit" the game (yet are still active on the forums... lol).

If you don't like it, then quit. No need to tell the world about it. Seems like people that play MMO's reserve the right to tell everyone their back story about why they're disgruntled with the game like the Devs are going to call them up and profusely apologize and ask their opinions on how to fix it.

BG's are fun and it's pretty rare that it's a 3v4v4. Cyro is a bit laggy sure, but it's not unplayable. It's also not like you have an ELO that's going to be affected if you lag out in either one.

You know what wasn't fun? PvPing against premades.

ZOS should be grateful, lots of folks i know have just left and gone elsewhere at least some of stay to support the game even when Cyrodiil is an unplayable (most of the time) piece of crap.

Be Safe

mavfin · May 19

If you don't like the game, and it's horrible and unplayable...by all means find a game you enjoy, rather than spending your time venting your spleen at a company many of you say isn't listening anyway.

Makes no sense to do that...

PrimusNephilim · May 19

ayu_fever wrote: »

if you want a pvp experience that is supported by the developer, you are playing the wrong game.

^^This should be pinned^^

Banana · May 19

It's never been worse. Like mid-year mayhem performance without the people

vamp_emily · May 19

They need to cap at 2 bars until they get it fixed.

TineaCruris · May 19

vamp_emily wrote: »

They need to cap at 2 bars until they get it fixed.

They halved the population cap in cyro two years ago as a fix for the lag. The population has already been cut in half.

red_emu · May 19

vamp_emily wrote: »

They need to cap at 2 bars until they get it fixed.

If they keep cutting it, prime time will be 2v3v2 😂

At least in the campaign I play it's impossible to avoid large fights as every day as soon as prime time starts, entire DC population is at Roe and entire EP population is at Fare. AD splits in half to defend and boom. You have entire server of players in two keeps.

Completely unplayable...

Can't wait for Greymoor to break it even more.

Commancho · May 19

If you don't like the state of PVP and you think that nothing will change in the nearest future, then I suggest you to leave a proper review for the game on the platforms like Steam, YT, gaming magazines etc so you can warn people to not waste their money and also you could do ZOS a favor and help them to reduce a population on these poor, overheating servers.

ketsparrowhawk · May 19

ACGOG wrote: »

I've never understood the "let me bash the [Snip] out of the game I'm still actively playing without providing any type of constructive criticism" from people that have "quit" the game (yet are still active on the forums... lol).

If you don't like it, then quit. No need to tell the world about it. Seems like people that play MMO's reserve the right to tell everyone their back story about why they're disgruntled with the game like the Devs are going to call them up and profusely apologize and ask their opinions on how to fix it.

BG's are fun and it's pretty rare that it's a 3v4v4. Cyro is a bit laggy sure, but it's not unplayable. It's also not like you have an ELO that's going to be affected if you lag out in either one.

You know what wasn't fun? PvPing against premades.
[Edited for profanity bypass]

Dude cyro is way more that "a bit laggy" if there are enough players on to actually find some fights. I dread my monthly transmute grind, even though I love PvP.

Premades were never that big of an issue. Imbalanced matches still happen just as often as before in my experience. My PVP friends and I live in IC now. That's the only place we can play together and not deal with terrible performance. Luckily it's pretty fun down there, turns out.

Berek_Bloodfang · May 19

I_am_Groot wrote: »

ayu_fever wrote: »

if you want a pvp experience that is supported by the developer, you are playing the wrong game.

^^This should be pinned^^

This I can agree with!

khajiitNPC · May 19

@ACGOG

[snip].

PvP is unplayable at peak hours. Fact. While you might be the only person not experiencing these issues, good for you. So let’s get down to it. Weapon swapping, broken. Break free broken. Sprint bug back. Skills not firing off. Ability bar blacked out. When you roll dodge skill bar is often blacked out for up to 6 seconds. Unable to hit people. Random load screens. Unable to mount in combat bug. These are undeniable and are happening across all platforms. Yes it doesn’t happen as often in empty campaigns or overland content but it doesn’t happen.

We’ve submitted bug reports, tickets, everything you can think of — this isn’t a rare occurrence almost anyone playing across all platforms are experiencing this. Get a clue. I’m not getting paid to fix their game, but I have spent literally thousands of dollars because there was a point when the game was playable.

I get it, if all you do is overland PvE and you haven’t experienced the issues, because for the most part PvE unless you’re in trials, doesn’t experience the issues to the degree of PvP, but it shouldn’t matter, PvE and PvP should ban together as a community and say enough is enough.

[edited for baiting]

khajiitNPC · May 19

@ACGOG also there’s been other MMOs who have taken down their game to fix. Look at Final Fantasy, they took that game down for a period of time to get it working properly. So sorry bud, you’re either willfully ignorant or legitimately a new player.

ZOS_TrishM · May 19

Greetings,

After removing a few baiting posts, we must remind everyone that all post should be kept within the guidelines of the rules that we have in place. Having different opinions and debating is completely acceptable. However when doing so, keep it civil and constructive. If there may be any questions in regards to the rules, please feel free to review them here.

zergbase_ESO · May 19

WoppaBoem wrote: »

Make premade que for bg happen this patch Zenimax pls, that is the only save for pvp I can see or really fix cyro but that aint happening we all know that.

That will work as long as it is pre-made vs pre-made only

Stomping non-premades is a snooze fest.

paul.olesonb14_ESO wrote: »

ACGOG wrote: »

I've never understood the "let me bash the [Snip] out of the game I'm still actively playing without providing any type of constructive criticism" from people that have "quit" the game (yet are still active on the forums... lol).

If you don't like it, then quit. No need to tell the world about it. Seems like people that play MMO's reserve the right to tell everyone their back story about why they're disgruntled with the game like the Devs are going to call them up and profusely apologize and ask their opinions on how to fix it.

BG's are fun and it's pretty rare that it's a 3v4v4. Cyro is a bit laggy sure, but it's not unplayable. It's also not like you have an ELO that's going to be affected if you lag out in either one.

You know what wasn't fun? PvPing against premades.
[Edited for profanity bypass]

Here is why, most of us paid $$$ for the game, with the expectation that what is available in game would continue to be available and or playable.... It has become a "bait and switch" tactic as of late..

You want to queue up with your friends for battlegrounds? You paid for it, it was available, however it no longer is available. Can I have a refund? No.

I paid for the game to play Cyrodiil, was I able to play it? Yes. Am I able to play it now? No, the server latency issues have become so bad it is unplayable. Can I have a refund? No.

That is why we are so upset, we want to provide a "buyer beware" for those who are looking to ESO for PvP content.

You can get a refund. My friend did on his first purchase of this game and playing. He did a charge back after recording video of how

broken the game is. I know if you live in Australia you can maybe sue them; like a few that did so with fall out 76 which I would be 100%

for someone doing because obviously they do not care about pvp nor bug fixes in pve No one should pay money this company asks and get

a broken product that barely works lol.

At this point I doubt ZoS will ever fix pvp. This has been broken since release and how many years it has been since release with cyro lag

and breaking quests along with unstable servers.

Berek_Bloodfang · May 19

zergbase_ESO wrote: »

WoppaBoem wrote: »

Make premade que for bg happen this patch Zenimax pls, that is the only save for pvp I can see or really fix cyro but that aint happening we all know that.

That will work as long as it is pre-made vs pre-made only Stomping non-premades is a snooze fest.

Stomping individual players is a snooze fest too. I enjoy the challenge of 1 vs 4.

Thogard · May 19

It’s nice to see so many people being vocal.

The fact is that this lack of support for non-casual players is a business decision. “Sweaty” players, both in PvE and PvP, use drastically more server resources and bandwidth on a monthly basis than casuals who log in maybe 5 hours a month and do mostly single player questing.

Not only are we not the biggest revenue source, we ARE the biggest cost.

It’s frustrating as a player because the game is great until you get to the end game. But by the time you get there, you’re already heavily invested.. and then you find out that things literally don’t even work because the developer teams do not support you once you’ve paid your fees. It’s tragic but most single player games with “tacked on” multiplayer are like that too.

Berek_Bloodfang · May 19

Thogard wrote: »

It’s nice to see so many people being vocal.

The fact is that this lack of support for non-casual players is a business decision. “Sweaty” players, both in PvE and PvP, use drastically more server resources and bandwidth on a monthly basis than casuals who log in maybe 5 hours a month and do mostly single player questing.

Not only are we not the biggest revenue source, we ARE the biggest cost.

It’s frustrating as a player because the game is great until you get to the end game. But by the time you get there, you’re already heavily invested.. and then you find out that things literally don’t even work because the developer teams do not support you once you’ve paid your fees. It’s tragic but most single player games with “tacked on” multiplayer are like that too.

Due to the ToS I have removed this post.

Thogard · May 19

paul.olesonb14_ESO wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

It’s nice to see so many people being vocal.

The fact is that this lack of support for non-casual players is a business decision. “Sweaty” players, both in PvE and PvP, use drastically more server resources and bandwidth on a monthly basis than casuals who log in maybe 5 hours a month and do mostly single player questing.

Not only are we not the biggest revenue source, we ARE the biggest cost.

It’s frustrating as a player because the game is great until you get to the end game. But by the time you get there, you’re already heavily invested.. and then you find out that things literally don’t even work because the developer teams do not support you once you’ve paid your fees. It’s tragic but most single player games with “tacked on” multiplayer are like that too.

It's shocking and disgusting that they have been able to hide this problem and/or allow it go on for so long. I really hope something breaks, either massive groups of players abandoning the game or ZoS actually doing what is right and forking out some money to revitalize their PvP servers.

Now that end game PvE is feeling it too we are at least seeing acknowledgment of the problem.

YandereGirlfriend · May 19

ACGOG wrote: »

However, I LOVE the "Fix Your PvP" thread that's *definitely* not a "bait or flame thread" (lmfaoooo) where he just [Snip] all over the state of PvP (his opinion) without citing anything specific and calls Zos incompetent. What is he hoping to solve? You think someone is going to see that thread and reach out to him for help or take any ideas he has from then forward seriously?

I don't support profanity or crude bashing but honestly if a developer (or any professional) is too in their own feelings to be able to separate their own personal anger or pride from their job performance then they are a bad developer.

People do not just wake up in the morning wanting to flame anyone (well, maybe some who are genuine trolls), but after you lag out during a keep siege for the third time that day or your guild starts cancelling its raids due to bad performance there is only so much that you can do to get the point across.

PvP, when it works, is sublime in this game. Unfortunately, performance has been degrading evidently for years but it has also palpably accelerated over the last ~4 months. There really isn't anything left to be said but silence will be interpreted as success by the devs. So all you can do if you care about the problem is to keep bringing it up.

illutian · May 20

I don't know what you all are talking about. Slideshow Online has amazing PVP.

But seriously, it's horrible; skills greying out, unable to bar swap, infinite sprint (hung at 0s) into DC.

I think they pushed the game to do more than it was intended to do. As a result, the server can't process the data fast enough to send back out to the clients.

Berek_Bloodfang · May 20

illutian wrote: »

I don't know what you all are talking about. Slideshow Online has amazing PVP.

Lmao; love this, very funny

But yes, they have to seriously upgrade their servers and host IP in order to adequately address the new players, otherwise we may be in for a looooooooooong winter

red_emu · May 20

Something is really, really broken.

Cyrodiil
PC EU - 2am - 1bar pop across the board.

Disconnect x3
Valid Internet connection x2
Error 301 x2

Time to fire skills 3-10sec
Rubberbanding
Ping +999

But "it's the players fault for overloading servers"

Kalik_Gold · May 20

Left Gray Host and went to Blackreach, much better performance.

Stopped doing BGs. Want to do Imperial City more but haven’t started.

ZOS_RachelM · May 20

Greetings everyone,
As we have removed more posts due to violating the rules on bashing and baiting, we are now going to close this thread. We always encourage sharing opinions, but we ask that they are respectfully stated when doing so. Thank you for your understanding, and please keep the Community Rules in mind when posting on the forums.