kain.winterhearteb17_ESO wrote: »

You know, every time I visit the forums (and that happens pretty occasionally) there are quite a few threads with people complaining about something and urging everyone to vote with their money for ZOS to stop that and doing that...

Two days ago I logged in to do my crafting dailies and a thought struct my mind.

Many years ago I played EverQuest 2 with my friends. We had small but very good and friendly guild, we met in real life a few times, but after a while we parted ways, and in a few years our local servers were closed, but characters were transferred to server in other country. I had a home there, and it felt really cozy. And I had a family there - our guild. And then one day it was all gone for me.

So the though was: how would I feel should ESO be gone?

Just when writing this I decided to look up what happened to EverQuest 2. And it still lives! It still gets its yearly expansions, as WoW and even older games do. And this is great! People put in a lot of work, and theirs creation still lives!

If one day ESO will be gone for me - I do hope it will still live on. It is beautiful! It is a lot of work! And the only thing that keeps me from getting too close to it is the idea of ESO ending one day in the future.

I'm here since 2014' beta. You know how ESO was in 2014? It was beautiful and it felt like home! As it is now, 6 years past, with many things reworked and a ton of additions being made. It is live, and it is alive. I'm grateful for that! And I am and will be paying for ESO+ with both my and my wife's accounts, even though I almost do not play the game because of too many work and family stuff. I will pay for ESO and buy the DLCs just because I am grateful to the developers for putting that much work in this definitely huge and wonderful creation, and for the devs still doing their job regardless of people's endless complaints. I know how hard that is, and I wish the devs only the best.

The only thing that really saddens me is that ZOS's careers page seems to be blocked in my country, so I can't apply and try to be a part of ESO development team. But oh well, I still can wish the devs all the good ones from here! And I'd be sad should your creation be gone.

Well, if the porrrwarrrs that be see this, they can send you a link or mail addy, or try to figure out why you can't contact 'em and get that sorted, good luck!

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

kain.winterhearteb17_ESO wrote: »

the devs still doing their job regardless of people's endless complaints. I know how hard that is, and I wish the devs only the best.

Most people aren't complaining just to complain, I hope you realize that.

We complain because we love this game for the most part and hate to see its potential wasted. We complain because of game breaking issues that prevent us from playing.

The devs still do their jobs...ok? What else would they do?

Most people on here ARE HERE tocomplain, not to fix or help fixing anything, but just vent, super unconstructively because their *bleeepitybleepbeep* something is hurt.

10% actually seeking (to) help, at most. Rest just want the tell them they hope their ******* die cause they didn't get it their way in the wanted time.
Claim to leave the game, but spend ten hours plus on the forums daily. Instead of playing and HAVING FUN in another game

And I'm fairly sure a small percentage is PAID to do this...

ZOS employees out in force tonight...yep no problems with the game, everything is perfect. Let's keep throwing money at it.

drfirepants wrote: »

ZOS employees out in force tonight...yep no problems with the game, everything is perfect. Let's keep throwing money at it.

Appropriate, since the OP suggested that he would like to work for ZOS. He is also right about the ZOS devs. They are doing their job despite what people in here say about them.

Don't like the game, go somewhere else. Please. I like the game, and it is working for me, even in Cyrodiil (which surprised me), so I have no reservations about starting a second ESO Plus so I can level up the characters on that account for a while.

Nice work with the latest patch. I notice in the patch notes that it fixed some loading screens and crashes.

Thank you for that. Cause in tonight's two hour pvp raid I only crashed from the game twice as we approached big fights, and only one of those resulted in being booted from cyrodiil. I am truly thankful for being allowed to eventually get back into the game and get my sorc overload stuck-on bug with slow bug attached. It made for a joyful experience indeed. The loading screens did appear to be improved, as rides through the north only resulted in an average of 2 -3 random loading screens, stopping my in my tracks as the raid struggled forward towards our objective. This is an improvement indeed from the up to 8 - 10 loading screens we have come to regard as normal play.

I did vote with my wallet. No more subscription. No more crowns for me.

I continue to play because I have played since the game launched, and am waiting for a replacement to get here.

Yup, the game is beautiful. Those artistic resources haven't been messed up yet because the current group of coders haven't touched them. They are a sight to behold, and the quests are engaging and fun. Something for everyone.

I've been playing for over five years. My current ESO expenditures are as follows:

Three month sub to ESO+. When it expires, I play without ESO+ for a month or so, then re-sub for another 3 months.

No DLC purchases, no Crown purchases.

Given everything I like and dislike about the game, I consider this a fair exchange.

Elsonso wrote: »

Youyouz06 wrote: »

I've been here since Beta and I've enjoyed many aspects of the game yet nowadays I think we play the game out of habit more than excitement.. I wonder what the decision makers at ZOS plan for their unique and supposedly growing community, but to quote myself from the recent past : 'The game feels dull and ignored'. Censorship and calling for a 'healthy' community is a sign that communication between the 'game' and ourselves is at a new time low because a hungry mob is an angry mob.

You've been here since beta. If that is a continuous "here" then you know that none of what is going on right now is extraordinary. This game has rough spots, and while not perfect, someone how has been here since beta has already come to terms with the parts that will never be perfect. Otherwise, you would have left the game, long ago.

The game gets through the rough spots, but it is an ordeal, each time. This game is always failing. ZOS is always killing the game. The game devs are always incompetent. There is always a streamer that is unhappy and moving on. Sometimes, there are streamers that bury their characters in the back yard. It always seems, at the moment that it is happening, that each time it is special. It is not. Each time it happens, players focus on the moment, and lose sight of everything else. The forum fills with high drama, and the sense of dismay, and it can be infectious. Chicken Little is the forum mascot.

If you subtract out the ability desync, this game is better off today, even in terms of performance, than it has been in the past. ZOS has actually made improvements, and while they often fail to get noticed, individually, collectively, they have made this game a lot better now.

This is not the game's darkest hour. I feel confident that ZOS is going to fix the ability desync, but that it is going to take time. They have made a lot of progress with this game over the last 6 years, and I doubt they are interested in ability desync being the thing that beats them.

That is "how I do it."

On the subject of ZOS communication, ZOS is doing better, but when things get too dramatic in here, I have noticed that they do tend to back off. I know why, but it certainly does not help things. Player uncertainty demanding that ZOS come out and tell them everything is going to be OK often turns nasty. Lately, it has turned into "prove things are going to be OK", and the ZOS CMs can't do that.

It is that "nasty" that people are starting to call "censoring". I think that people get caught up in the moment and forget that, mixed in with their ideas, opinions, and dissatisfaction is the method that they use to convey it. It is how, or where, it is presented that gets what they say moderated. Deleted or edited.

Hi Elsonso,

Let me put it this way. I've been a patient person for over 5 years and bugs and errors have always existed..more than I'd like to say. But this is 'my' breaking point. Have a read through my past posts and you will see a recent accumulation of negative posts from my behalf, I'm not doing this for fun.

Thanks for your reply.

drfirepants wrote: »

the truth is no matter how much you want to pretend its fine, the game is severely broken for many players and it has been for quite some time.

If that is the case, then how am I able to do dungeons, delves, dolmens, group dungeons and battlegrounds? And no, I am not a role player.

People come on here and grossly overstate the game's problems (mostly trials and cyrodil pvp) when zos has obviously slowed things down a bit as a result of the huge number of people logging in.

It's no wonder that zos is ignoring you. Stop being such a drama queen.

A tiny minority of players are having more serious problems. You are in that minority.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. I'm sorry, but that is the way it is.

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »

drfirepants wrote: »

the truth is no matter how much you want to pretend its fine, the game is severely broken for many players and it has been for quite some time.

If that is the case, then how am I able to do group dungeons, delves, dolmens, group dungeons and battlegrounds? And no, I am not a role player.

People come on here and grossly overstate the game's problems (mostly trials and cyrodil pvp) when zos has obviously slowed things down a bit as a result of the huge number of people logging in.

It's no wonder that zos is ignoring you. Stop being such a drama queen.

So you admit that you don't do trials or Cyrodiil while also claiming people are overstating the problems there...wow.

Saying that the game is utterly broken, when clearly it isn't is worse, don't you think?

What percentage of players do cyrodil pvp or trials? 2%? 5%? It's a tiny minority.

I'm sorry, but that's the way it is. I wish it did work properly, but it doesn't.

Just accept it. Zos either can't or won't fix it. It's just not important enough.

My son and I had EQ accounts too. He told me a few months back that he had checked and our toons were still there. ESO will probably be the same. The real promise here was the base game's change from EQ1 to EQ2. That was great for players and great financially for the company. In the not so distant future I wager that we will see a new ESO2 as well. I just hope that such a new offering will duplicate the format of the existing base game's story progression and using NPCs and companions.

Solace1981 wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Youyouz06 wrote: »

I've been here since Beta and I've enjoyed many aspects of the game yet nowadays I think we play the game out of habit more than excitement.. I wonder what the decision makers at ZOS plan for their unique and supposedly growing community, but to quote myself from the recent past : 'The game feels dull and ignored'. Censorship and calling for a 'healthy' community is a sign that communication between the 'game' and ourselves is at a new time low because a hungry mob is an angry mob.

You've been here since beta. If that is a continuous "here" then you know that none of what is going on right now is extraordinary. This game has rough spots, and while not perfect, someone how has been here since beta has already come to terms with the parts that will never be perfect. Otherwise, you would have left the game, long ago.

The game gets through the rough spots, but it is an ordeal, each time. This game is always failing. ZOS is always killing the game. The game devs are always incompetent. There is always a streamer that is unhappy and moving on. Sometimes, there are streamers that bury their characters in the back yard. It always seems, at the moment that it is happening, that each time it is special. It is not. Each time it happens, players focus on the moment, and lose sight of everything else. The forum fills with high drama, and the sense of dismay, and it can be infectious. Chicken Little is the forum mascot.

If you subtract out the ability desync, this game is better off today, even in terms of performance, than it has been in the past. ZOS has actually made improvements, and while they often fail to get noticed, individually, collectively, they have made this game a lot better now.

This is not the game's darkest hour. I feel confident that ZOS is going to fix the ability desync, but that it is going to take time. They have made a lot of progress with this game over the last 6 years, and I doubt they are interested in ability desync being the thing that beats them.

That is "how I do it."

On the subject of ZOS communication, ZOS is doing better, but when things get too dramatic in here, I have noticed that they do tend to back off. I know why, but it certainly does not help things. Player uncertainty demanding that ZOS come out and tell them everything is going to be OK often turns nasty. Lately, it has turned into "prove things are going to be OK", and the ZOS CMs can't do that.

It is that "nasty" that people are starting to call "censoring". I think that people get caught up in the moment and forget that, mixed in with their ideas, opinions, and dissatisfaction is the method that they use to convey it. It is how, or where, it is presented that gets what they say moderated. Deleted or edited.

ZOS employee alert. Your white knighting is absolutely disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself. Over the last year, the game has one nothing but gone downhill. Nothing has improved whatsoever. There are bugs that have been around since launch, the group finder still doesn't work, a lot of trials are bugged to hell as well as some dungeons you can't even complete right now due to bugs. Abilities don't go off, block drops for no reason, literally hundreds of bugs. The main quest is even bugged atm..... THE MAIN QUEST. If this game didn't have a crown store, it would be dead. What do you do when you play? Decorate and RP? Enjoy this broken game on your 2 accounts. What a scam.

I appreciate the compliments. I am not sure that they are well deserved. I so rarely get called a "white knight" or "ZOS employee". ZOS is laughing at the idea, I am sure. I am not always as nice to them as I come across today.

I, however, am not ashamed of myself, not that anyone should be for saying what I have said.

I have been playing the game, in a number of different ways, almost daily for 6 years. Some days more, some days less. Thousands of hours in the game. Questing. Dungeons. Group. Solo. Cyrodiil. Crafting. Exploring. I can attest that, despite the misguided commentary in the forum, the game is definitely better today than it was at launch. I can remember the first Jubilee events. I can remember the first New Life event. I can remember the NA and EU servers being so bad that they had to put login queues, and if you were lucky to get in, it was still crappy. I can remember latency 2x what I get today, every time. I can remember serious stat desyncs where I died and did not know it for 2-3 seconds. I have not encountered this stuff in a long time.

The point is that all of this today is a blip. It is not the end of the world. I am sure that ZOS has not thrown in the towel. I expect them to fix things, or at least make them better. They have been doing this for 6 years, and yet, every time this comes up, the forum goes on about ZOS has abandoned the players, the game is over, players are leaving in droves and last one out needs to turn off the lights. In the end, the opposite always seems to be true.

drfirepants wrote: »

You basically live in these forums pretending like everything is perfectly fine with the game then get all huffy when anyone points out a flaw.

No, actually, this is pretty much entirely wrong. I will let you quote Luke Skywalker in your head.

I know that there are ability desyncs happening. As I have said, I expect that they will fix it. Lag, no I do not think they will fix that. At least, not the the uniform satisfaction of the forum. Loading screens, I want to see them shorter, and I doubt they will do that, and never pop up out of nowhere, and I hope they can fix that. Disconnects, hopefully fixed. EU server problems, probably not, but this is partially due to the fact that I don't think all of the EU problems are due to factors that really ZOS controls. ZOS will always be reactionary when it come to combat balance, so expect "nerfs" for the rest of the life of the game. Group battleground queue I expect them to eventually add back in, but not before a lot of other work is complete. LFG will be fixed.

I am fine with being called a "white knight". It is a step up from what is normal around here, so I will take it. We could use more, actually.