I love both classes and both have been my mains for a long time, but stamden are better if you look how well they do in different situations. They just have everything in their kit and don't really have to sacrifice anything, you can also build them in multiple ways. Magdk are good 1v1 but after these patch notes they will be forced into only one viable build (I personally don't like molten whip, so I'll retire my magdk until something happens).

Another thing is that with stamden you can easily build for good sustain, damage and defense. With magdk you have to sacrifice one of those.

In 1v1 situations shalks can be dodged reliably almost always. So imo for solo play magDK is better, for group play stamden is hands down best stamina spec.

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

In 1v1 situations shalks can be dodged reliably almost always. So imo for solo play magDK is better, for group play stamden is hands down best stamina spec.

Your opponent can always time the burst with a stun such as turn evil or dawnbreaker.

Stamden is not exactly a meta class but as much as you can dodge shalks the stamden can take careful positioning and time his CC well to hit it.

Abilities like blastbones or shalks... these are not channel or cast time abilities that leave you unable to do anything else. These kind of abilities give you full control over how the situation will play, and while there is a bigger chance for messing it up compared to say a stamDK or stamsorc, the reward for properly landing your combo is pretty much an instant kill.

Ok, let's say stamden tries to time shalks with dizzy into turn evil and onslaught/DBoS with expectation that shalks will land in the same time as onslaught/DBoS. All the listed abilities are extremely susceptible to roll-dodge... chances that all 4 will hit are.. vague to say the least. Because if I hear shalks sound I count to 1 and dodge. They miss in 90% of cases. Of course when stamden hits you in the back when you fight somebody else he can evaporate you in 2 GCD... but this is hardly solo play scenario.

About control that stamcro and stamden have... yes, they have potentially most powerful combos, but their opponent has control as well. For example if it is close melee, then blastbones can be stunned by turn evil together with their owner... that's why I think stamplar is best now. Because his delayed burst ability is off-gcd but it can't be dodged/cc'd... it can be purged I guess, but it's hardly good exchange because it is so cheap. MagDK burst can be purged as well... I noticed that on stamDK (vampire) I had really hard times with magDK if I'm not on stage1. On stamplar (vampire) IDGAF about magDK. I have so much magicka nowhere to spend, so I just cleanse each burst build up each time... major breach, engulfing, burning, embers... all gone in one click.

So for OP and BG play, stamden will be better choice after all.

Mdk looks nicer