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Vampires shouldn't get stronger the more they feed.

ShadowHvo
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This goes directly against established Elder Scrolls canon, how could Leamon sign onto this?

A vampire becomes more dangerous the less they feed, their hunger increasing, their beastial urges takes over, making them more powerful, unpredictable and dangerous. Similarily, the more they feed, the lesser their monstrous urges become, and thus the more human and life-like they appear.

Why are you ruining Elder Scrolls vampire lore by turning it completely on its head?

Also, thank you for forever ruining the vampire lord form. A legendary, mystical creature capable of ultimate destruction, will now hit no harder than a wet bloody noodle.

As a elder scrolls lore fan, in particular in regards to vampires... This is the worst possible chapter imaginable, and that's depressing.
Edited by ShadowHvo on January 17, 2020 6:12AM
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  • ShadowHvo
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    Considering that not only does the most popular vampire mod for skyrim do exactly this, it's something that people have been asking for since the beginning since as it stands right now there's zero point in feeding. Everyone I know just gets to level 4 and leaves it there...the whole feeding mechanic might as well not even exist in the game.

    Which is a fault with the lack of negatives to the higher stages. Vampires shouldn't be accepted in towns at Stage 4, as it is proper to TES canon. Hell, add in bloody sunlight damage too, and we can have a proper vampire experience. But we're getting neither.

    This update gives everyone far more reason to be a vampire, than it already did.

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  • Siohwenoeht
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    Totally agree OP. ES vampires get stronger but more vulnerable the less they feed.

    This totally disregards the vampire clan bloodlines as well. RIP lore and worship the $$$
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    They changed that with dawnguard so you didn't get attacked on sight unless you transformed into a vampire lord and even put in a load screen saying vampires are not nearly as hated as the werewolf is.

    I literally wrote that in the comment below.

    That is ONE DLC out of 4 games.
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  • A_Silverius
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    I heard them say it's actually the other way round, the hunger increases as they get more powerful.
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  • ShadowHvo
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    ShadowHvo wrote: »

    They changed that with dawnguard so you didn't get attacked on sight unless you transformed into a vampire lord and even put in a load screen saying vampires are not nearly as hated as the werewolf is.

    I literally wrote that in the comment below.

    That is ONE DLC out of 4 games.

    Vampires were not attacked on sight in Oblivion either only the guard would attack if were stage four and had a bounty. I think it depended on how high it was not sure. Morrowind was a bit different but then the coding sucked they didn't even give you the means to hide it with a helm like they should have. Vampires might be monsters but not every one of them is evil. Plus many can be civalized and they do have vampire hunters and others that deal with such things.

    Yes they were in stage 4, because that is when the vampire is at their most monstrous and powerful, which makes complete sense.

    In Morrowind and Daggerfall, Vampires were kill on sight regardless of stage, because there were no stages. They also took damage from the sun, but at the trade-off, they were powerful creatures of the night.

    Now they're just powerful creatures of any day without any trade-off.
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  • ShadowHvo
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    I love the change because it ties into the justice system. If you want to take advantage of vampire skill line you are going to have to feed on NPCs which is equivalent to stealing/murder.

    I agree with this change, I've always been an advocate for it being involved with the justice system.

    But there is literally no way reason for them turning vampire lore upside down, and changing the established canon of how their powerscale functions.

    They could've kept to canon and still made it a part of the justice system, as they should've long ago.
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    Well could be that Lamae can decide how it works. Each clan works differently so its not all the same. I thought the weaker when well fed was stupid. I'm glad for this change I'm very happy about this. Please people don't ruin it! I want to be stronger when well fed not the other way around!

    Why should a progenitor of a bloodline "DECIDE" how their bloodline works?

    Logically, thats on Molag Bal's design table, not the one being diseased.

    I will fight against this to the bitter end, be rest assured. I don't want them to ruin established vampire canon, which is precisely what they're in the process of.

    They're already ruining the vampire lord, by turning it from a deadly, legendary killing machine, into a wet noodle that will die in Cyrodiil more easily than critters of the past.
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  • ShadowHvo
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    Elder Scrolls lore includes multiple different vampire species with varying characteristics, and they can always add more. Showing more variation does not conflict with lore.

    They're not adding more, they're changing an existing bloodline.

    I otherwise agree with you.
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  • driosketch
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    ShadowHvo wrote: »
    Considering that not only does the most popular vampire mod for skyrim do exactly this, it's something that people have been asking for since the beginning since as it stands right now there's zero point in feeding. Everyone I know just gets to level 4 and leaves it there...the whole feeding mechanic might as well not even exist in the game.

    Which is a fault with the lack of negatives to the higher stages. Vampires shouldn't be accepted in towns at Stage 4, as it is proper to TES canon. Hell, add in bloody sunlight damage too, and we can have a proper vampire experience. But we're getting neither.

    This update gives everyone far more reason to be a vampire, than it already did.

    They did say they were adding overt vampire acts to the bounty system, like they did with Necro.
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  • ShadowHvo
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    😒 to vampires being stronger when not well fed got to remember vampires there is over 100% strains each each one works differently. Volkihar and Oblivion vampires might have acted that way because Molag Bal desired it. But this is Lamae's vampirism and Molag Bal is shown to have no control over this one. After all we do get to fight him as a vampire and Lamae hates both Arkay and Molag Bal. Lamae gets stronger with each vampire that is a member of her bloodline I doubt Molag Bal does. So days of not feeding and benefiting from it are over! You want to be a vampire got to be vampire.! Not feeding time is over vampire go back to feeding the way your meant too! *Imperial guards voice*

    You clearly do not know how diseases, or vampirism have worked throughout the games nor the lore.

    Nowhere imaginable have we seen ANY display of a progenitor CHOOSING their abilities. It's a GIFT/CURSE from Molag Bal. He may not even know how it works, but that doesn't validate your claims.

    They're turning Elder Scrolls Vampires into boring standard INSERT ANY POPULAR VAMPIRE FICTION rather than the unique representation that it have had in Elder Scrolls canon and video games.
    Edited by ShadowHvo on January 17, 2020 12:02AM
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