MashmalloMan wrote: »

phoenixkungfu wrote: »

jcm2606 wrote: »

If you don't get it by now, I don't think you'll get it at all until you actually sink some time into DK. Maybe jump off your petsorc for a bit, start a DK, and see how DK plays, before judging it.

I have 27days on a dk. I understand how things work.i strongly disagree with alot of things you said the main point being that dks dont use there ultimate as gap closer primarily. As a 247 day pet sorcerer. I can give you 1 fact to be true most to all dks that kill me start with leap. I will even say 90 to 95% of all deaths start with leap. It disregard any and all keep away game. as gap closer disregard for any and all gameplay mechanics of situation that apply to health bar. IT IS SPAM AS A ULTIMATE. Leap is without a doubt on a dk use at cost more then any ultimate in the game. The fact is due to the overload nature of this gap closer. There is never a situation where this ultimate is not in a positive situation. Upon use. This skill carry alot of dk gameplay for most user because of its overload nature. Which in return allows bar set up on being more tanky instead of using a gap closer. The stun, distance, aoe, and helping hand passive in providing way more then just a hand. But more importantly it stuns as a gap closer.

It is my belief that gap closer should never stun.

27 days? How do you know that? Are you saying 27 days of play time or you made a DK 27 days ago, because I made a DK 2 or 3 years ago, but I don't use them in PvP very much, I guess I must be an expert on the matter on DKs by your logic.

You're in over your head here, your bias is clear and your comment made it clearer. Pulling out random facts like "90 to 95% of all deaths start with leap. It disregard any and all keep away game. as gap closer disregard for any and all gameplay mechanics of situation that apply to health bar. IT IS SPAM AS A ULTIMATE." Or streak is in a gray area lol.

Hate to break it to you, but you can't spam ultimates in this game, that's the nature of ultimates, furthermore, it's an ultimate and doesn't have the same power budget so I don't understand why you keep saying DKs spam leap.

If your going to discuss gap closers that stun, you should stick to abilities like toppling charge and stop acting like this isn't a nerf thread because you die to much to DKs that outplay you.

Actually there's one story about spamming ultimates... maybe the guys who have been playing here since 2015 can remember it.

Of course, the way how those ultis were spammed was a clear cheat. A Cheat-in-genie

phoenixkungfu wrote: »

Well I can see the dk point of veiw. I'm a pet sorc and nerfs dont feel right sometimes. However from the stand point of the opponent. Moves that provides to much utility. To the point that most players dont even understand that dk leap is a gap closer. Unfortunately says alot about how strong this gap closer is. It is a ultimate so it should be powerful but unfortunately most players are holding block and waiting on this ultimate to dk leap as gameplay. During these combo. The whole burst is build around the free stuns this provide. Which provides very little counter play. In my opinion a stun should never be on a gap closer. I'm not a dev, so I can see the difficulties in making changes. When a player is use to 2 in 1 moves. I also see how what makes the game fun is class identity. However i my opinion class identity is tank theme. I feel like eso has done a extremely amazing job at dk as a tank theme. I will even say dk is the most tanking dps in the game. In my opinion

The irony of a pet sorc whining about multifunctional "over performing" skills.

DK Leap is an ultimate you can see from a distance and can be blocked to remove stun and reduce damage.

Sorc Streak is a getaway skill that executes in a blink of an eye that also stuns and deal damage.


Please nerf Sorc streak.

DK leap is fine.

phoenixkungfu wrote: »

Hi all, it is my belief that gap closer should never stun. I believe the gameplay is simply to strong for toppling charge and dk leap. Here's why, templar and dk as a class have amazing snare elements to their damage move set. But they also have some of the best cc in game with fossilize and javelin. It is my belief that a player shouldn't get so much utility for 1 single move. In most cases based on the distance is simply way to hard to react to these moves. Stun as a mechanic is meta in pvp. I believe these abilities are over preforming base on the class having snares on attack moves and guarantee ways in on dk leap. Despite an opponent keep away game.

While what you have to say is on point when regarding Toppling Charge, it's hard to use the same argument for the DK's Dragon Leap (and morphs). They're not even close to the same skill and, in fact, you've chosen probably the one thing they have in common out of everything they offer as skills.

Leap is fine. I've always said that as an ultimate, it's actually one of the most balanced ones: it synergizes well with class passives, hits hard (but not too hard), and is very satisfying to use. However, more on topic, it can hardly be referred to as a gap closer because it can only be used once every half minute at best when paired with monster and armor sets like bloodspawn and werewolf hide.

Toppling Charge, on the other hand, you should feel a bit indignant about. It's overloaded. It stuns 100% of the time, applies off balance (a large damage buff in CP), and interrupts spell casts as well as being a gap closer, and that's on top of it doing pretty OK damage and having a chance to proc bigger damage through awesome Templar passives. It has too much effect economy for the cost, much like a lot of other Templar skills. There's nothing to defend here.

Koensol wrote: »

"I have 0 bias". This thread has become a meme at this point

0 bias is a meme in itself regardless of context tbh.

phoenixkungfu wrote: »

Smh, streak for the record is a escape tool. And escape tool is the opposite of "gap closers". For the bias at heart that dont see change as positive. The unmorph name is bolt escape. Steak as a morph is to maximize distance up to 15meter range with a stun. After this distance ball of lightning is maximum as a escape tool. Do to that fact that any version of BOLT ESCAPE doesn't PLAYER LOCK. It is not a effective or optimum gap closer. Therefore is not in topic. This post shows pure bias to revert attention off topic. Furthermore if streak morph was nerf AND THE FIRST HALF UP TO 6 METERS ONLY STUN. REINFORCING THE ESCAPE ELEMENT. So be it. GAP CLOSER SHOULD NEVER STUN

SMH. "For the record", I main a PvP Sorc and use streak more often to get close to my opponents or go through them than to escape or kite. Unexpectedly streaking through a group and hearing the characters all groan in unison as they all break the stun is hilarious to me. It can be used right before ultimates to aoe stun and make sure they land. Combine that with encase to really bust some ball group balls. That conical shape is designed to have the widest effect at the end point, stunning your targets more than any pursuers. Streak morph is optimized for offense, BOL for defense, but use them however you want.

I can usually match a fleeing Sorc streak for streak if I'm up for the chase - which makes streak an excellent counter to itself- but more importantly, that makes it the opposite of a gap creator! It is closing the gap, and may even stun if close enough! Ergo gap closer.

Since it needs no target, it is an effective gap closer and also a gap creator. Using streak and curse to ferret out NBs is way more entertaining than detect pots imo. Please leave DK Leap and Sorc Streak the way they are.

Stop bumping your own threads when they die, it’s tacky.