Jem_Kindheart wrote: »There's something fishy going on with the trader stall bidding system. It is odd that so many popup guilds nobody has ever heard of and with low membership are constantly knocking out long established high trading guilds for (expensive) prime stall locations. That's a totally separate thing tho, and something actually worth ZoS's time to perhaps reevaluate.
It is part of the same issue. They have already created a connection between IRL currency and in-game via Crown exchange. They could have easily squashed that but did not, instead they chose to condone it but not support it. The selling of carries is connected to that. It is all part of the same problem when MMO allow IRL currency to be traded for In game currency. The whole thing about the traders is much more problematic. While I can concede that my issue is more one of principle, rather than impact, the issue with the Traders has real consequences.
OneWhomWaits wrote: »Imagine assuming every response is an American at a time of day when most Americans are sleeping.
No wonder these Americans are being so dumb, they're sleep-arguing-on-forums again!
DaveMoeDee wrote: »Even worse -- some guilds carry members for free!
AgaTheGreat wrote: »Has the Op been muted for all his ad hominem remarks in this thread? He's been awfully quiet last few hours 😏
BTW thanks Gina for this clarification.
Hopefully it's going to stop this topic from coming up in the future.
So to summarize the ZoS statement, correct me if I am wrong:
1. Buying crowns with real currency is acceptable.
2. Buying gold with crowns via gifting is acceptable.
3. Buying trial skins and gear with gold is acceptable.
4. Buying #3 with real currency is not? Unless ZoS gets the currency?
I have nothing against this personally, but the logic is a bit circular.
People can pretty much trade anything in game. Gina has specifically said we can trade items from the crown store for gold. That is trading an in game item for an in game item.
Zos also does not prohibit selling clears for gold but using the forums to drum up business is not permitted. This is not P2W as none of it makes anyone stronger. No aspect of it is P2W.
Also, I see you say nothing about Gina being in their Discord or even what that has to do with any of this.
BTW, I am sure some will thank you. The tend to use threads like these to find new customers.
DaveMoeDee wrote: »Even worse -- some guilds carry members for free!
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »While I don't recall joining anyone's Discord to discuss this, paying gold for carries is not against the TOS. If someone wants to pay a guild millions of gold to be taken through a dungeon or trial, that's up to them and doesn't break any rules. What is against the TOS is paying real world money for a carry, or utilizing an exploit to carry people through an area.
Also just to verify, my Discord ID ends in #0001. Any others you may see are trying to impersonate.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »While I don't recall joining anyone's Discord to discuss this, paying gold for carries is not against the TOS. If someone wants to pay a guild millions of gold to be taken through a dungeon or trial, that's up to them and doesn't break any rules. What is against the TOS is paying real world money for a carry, or utilizing an exploit to carry people through an area.
Also just to verify, my Discord ID ends in #0001. Any others you may see are trying to impersonate.
The problem i see here is some of these guild/teams also offering tick tock, Gryphon Heart etc achievement. and also offering this in zone chat and so on...
Im 95% sure that when you buy gryphon heart your not the one how use this char in this run ;-)
Siohwenoeht wrote: »People can pretty much trade anything in game. Gina has specifically said we can trade items from the crown store for gold. That is trading an in game item for an in game item.
Zos also does not prohibit selling clears for gold but using the forums to drum up business is not permitted. This is not P2W as none of it makes anyone stronger. No aspect of it is P2W.
Also, I see you say nothing about Gina being in their Discord or even what that has to do with any of this.
BTW, I am sure some will thank you. The tend to use threads like these to find new customers.
He was using Zone chat to do it.
Also if you are running endgame trials , which they were offering at vet HM with titles and gear that would give a very significant advantage both in gear and be able to sneak into other trials using that title. Let's be clear this is P2W and seeing it advertised in Wayrest was too much.
Firstly, It's in no way p2w. Secondly, if you are worried that they have endgame gear they didn't "earn" guess what? If they couldn't nclear the content without a carry, they certainly won't be able to utilize the gear to it's full potential. Gear isn't and never has been the only factor to being good at ESO.
OMG Seriously
Can you pay for it
YES
Does it provide you an ingame win
YES
Why is it not pay to win?
Waiting patiently...