The Gold Road Chapter – which includes the Scribing system – and Update 42 is now available to test on the PTS! You can read the latest patch notes here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/656454/
Calling all Two Handed users
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Nordic__Knights✭✭✭✭✭
✭Its work but unlike knocked back... i have chance to deffend myself, not flying and eaten by dot ticks in the air
You said defend thats not aloud to happen its unfair!!!!!!!!
But no its bs that people dont want to look for different ways to do something just 😢 all the time and this change brings alot to making good changes for the game both for user and opponent so i like it skill will matter more then button smashingEdited by Nordic__Knights on October 11, 2019 10:18AM0 -
Weisstag✭✭✭Honestly this is such a good change... you people who qq just don't get it and iam actually happy that most people will stay away from dizzy... even tho it's getting buffed (in hands of a good player)
Right now literally anyone can use it and benefit from it bc it's just such a cheese skillEdited by Weisstag on October 11, 2019 10:28AMIam an EU player...so Iam pretty used to suffering0 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »Its work but unlike knocked back... i have chance to deffend myself, not flying and eaten by dot ticks in the air
You said defend thats not aloud to happen its unfair!!!!!!!!
But no its bs that people dont want to look for different ways to do something just 😢 all the time and this change brings alot to making good changes for the game both for user and opponent so i like it skill will matter more then button smashing
On a serious note, you are right to some extend. But also people are just tired of constant throwing away their builds because of overeager changes each patch.
This change to dizzy mechanics doesn't change much. But I guess you can understand how people feel now that every weapon spam is nerfed over the last 2 patches, especially when they cling on classes that don't have any class skills to fall back on.Honestly this is such a good change... you people who qq just don't get it and iam actually happy that most people will stay away from dizzy... even tho it's getting buffed (in hands of a good player)
Right now literally anyone can use it and benefit from it bc it's just such a cheese skill
I hate to break it to you, but just because it buffs your build doesn't mean it gets buffed on every build. Medium builds with tactician and exploiter will end up with 16% dmg loss. That's it. But sure, on a heavy armor build it will be easier to get that Exploiter working. Which still means 6% less dmg. But whatever.Edited by Chilly-McFreeze on October 11, 2019 10:33AM0 -
Nordic__Knights✭✭✭✭✭
✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »Its work but unlike knocked back... i have chance to deffend myself, not flying and eaten by dot ticks in the air
You said defend thats not aloud to happen its unfair!!!!!!!!
But no its bs that people dont want to look for different ways to do something just 😢 all the time and this change brings alot to making good changes for the game both for user and opponent so i like it skill will matter more then button smashing
On a serious note, you are right to some extend. But also people are just tired of constant throwing away their builds because of overeager changes each patch.
This change to dizzy mechanics doesn't change much. But I guess you can understand how people feel now that every weapon spam is nerfed over the last 2 patches, especially when they cling on classes that don't have any class skills to fall back on.
I agree this rollercoaster hasn't been the finest ride but most of it unfortunately falls right back to threads like this 😢 over things that could had been dealt with by an simple change in build over 😢 for everything to be nurffed to the dirt yes some changes have been made by developers just because they seen fit but tbh even an few of them i can see their reasons behind the change and do i feel bad for the classes that NEEDED an skill like DS was an lil but with the change i know i DONT feel bad to the DS spamming 4v1 zerglings that need to L2P0 -
Nordic__Knights✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »Its work but unlike knocked back... i have chance to deffend myself, not flying and eaten by dot ticks in the air
You said defend thats not aloud to happen its unfair!!!!!!!!
But no its bs that people dont want to look for different ways to do something just 😢 all the time and this change brings alot to making good changes for the game both for user and opponent so i like it skill will matter more then button smashing
On a serious note, you are right to some extend. But also people are just tired of constant throwing away their builds because of overeager changes each patch.
This change to dizzy mechanics doesn't change much. But I guess you can understand how people feel now that every weapon spam is nerfed over the last 2 patches, especially when they cling on classes that don't have any class skills to fall back on.
I agree this rollercoaster hasn't been the finest ride but most of it unfortunately falls right back to threads like this 😢 over things that could had been dealt with by an simple change in build over 😢 for everything to be nurffed to the dirt yes some changes have been made by developers just because they seen fit but tbh even an few of them i can see their reasons behind the change and do i feel bad for the classes that NEEDED an skill like DS was an lil but with the change i know i DONT feel bad to the DS spamming 4v1 zerglings that need to L2P
@Chilly-McFreeze
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Alidel✭✭✭✭As PVE Two Handed user - I don't care about dizzy and raging discussion about it across multitude of threads. I do want carve and stampede back, can we have those nice things? Not like they were overperforming neither in PVE nor PVP.0 -
Alidel✭✭✭✭StrandedMonkey wrote: »
Because it does good damage on the live? I ditched bow and running stampede + carve on backbar with vma 2hander on my full melee pve build. Bit clunky to use with big bosses, but otherwise nice option for some variety among stam chars, most of which look and feel the same with mostly weapon skills.0 -
mursie✭✭✭✭✭Honestly this is such a good change... you people who qq just don't get it and iam actually happy that most people will stay away from dizzy... even tho it's getting buffed (in hands of a good player)
Right now literally anyone can use it and benefit from it bc it's just such a cheese skill
i'm worried that this is going to be very true. If heavy's land reliably by casting during the dizzy channel, this is going to be a significant buff to an already over-performing skill.
we'll see.0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you see pts dizzy as a big nerf they you're the type of person the nerf was for. MIndlessly spamming 1 skill.
Try learn to light weave and medium weave between and it's actually better off.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Skullderic wrote: »I don't see why its even a thing, no real balance making these changes to it, It's not a Class skill. every class can use it.
It's a slow cast, you miss half the time fighting w/ all the speed boosts.
Heavy attack weaving, That's a brain child, stupid. imo.
Again its not heavy weaving its medium weaving.
Also guessing you have no idea what that is so get googling and you may improve at the game.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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Davadin✭✭✭✭✭
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i got 66 in MaA and 19 in Physical Wep. medium build. i dont have Tactician. This way i can swap med or heavy depending on the situation (solo, small group, zerg) and won't waste CP in case im in heavy and a shield and won't be dodging a lot of stuff.Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »no. i like off balance. the stun becomes controllable and i get 10% extra damage.
You only get the 10% extra damage with the Exploiter CP. Every dedicated Dizzy build invest so much in Master-at-Arms that Tactician is probably a given anyway. That means most opponents are set off balance anyway. So you gain nothing in CP and no-CP.
so, yes, if ur a dedicated Dizzy build, sure, u can play Dark Soul dodge all you want, but personally I'm happy any class now won't get shoehorned on a "Dizzy BiS" build.
then yes, i like off-balance because i can control my stun, and if all else fail, i'll sling poop at them 3x. (or Fossilize, worst case scenario)
Additionally, if we talk PvE, that's some straight up no-dodging off-balance situational with vDLC or trials. i'd argue it's actually a buff.August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
Greymoor 6.0.7 PvP : Medium 2H/SnB The Destroyer
Dragonhold 5.2.11 PvE : Medium DW/2H The Blood Furnace
March 2021 (too lazy to add CP) PvP: Medium DW/Bow The Stabber0 -
Davadin✭✭✭✭✭
✭NordSwordnBoard wrote: »
..... I'd love to have THAT as an ULTIMATE.
(ok, maybe 8m, not 28m.... we can't all be wielding Volendrung...)August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
Greymoor 6.0.7 PvP : Medium 2H/SnB The Destroyer
Dragonhold 5.2.11 PvE : Medium DW/2H The Blood Furnace
March 2021 (too lazy to add CP) PvP: Medium DW/Bow The Stabber1 -
StrandedMonkey✭✭✭✭guys we need to get this thread to 4 pages so we can look more important than dragonknights2 -
StrandedMonkey wrote: »guys we need to get this thread to 4 pages so we can look more important than dragonknights
I'll get right on that.0 -
Banana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭StrandedMonkey wrote: »guys we need to get this thread to 4 pages so we can look more important than dragonknights
My dk likes a big sword sometimes to
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Davadin✭✭✭✭✭
✭StrandedMonkey wrote: »guys we need to get this thread to 4 pages so we can look more important than dragonknights
but im a 2H DK..............August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
Greymoor 6.0.7 PvP : Medium 2H/SnB The Destroyer
Dragonhold 5.2.11 PvE : Medium DW/2H The Blood Furnace
March 2021 (too lazy to add CP) PvP: Medium DW/Bow The Stabber1 -
MCBIZZLE300✭✭✭✭✭They just need to nerf the damage and maybe put it back to a 1 seconds cast time. They are the ones that made it op by buffing the damage and shortening the cast. Removing the stun completely guts the skill and takes away the fun, classes like stamsorc who have use dizzying swing for 5 YEARS are now screwed. People say ''oh just medium attack and itl knock them down'' try doing that with 5 fps in cyrodiil, its not reliable at all. This change is ALMOST as bad as the ultimate cast times, on another note this dswing change will make the gap between stamina templars and all other stam classes even wider as templars not only have a ranged stun but also a very reliable spammable. Blows my mind.0 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭They just need to nerf the damage and maybe put it back to a 1 seconds cast time. They are the ones that made it op by buffing the damage and shortening the cast. Removing the stun completely guts the skill and takes away the fun, classes like stamsorc who have use dizzying swing for 5 YEARS are now screwed. People say ''oh just medium attack and itl knock them down'' try doing that with 5 fps in cyrodiil, its not reliable at all. This change is ALMOST as bad as the ultimate cast times, on another note this dswing change will make the gap between stamina templars and all other stam classes even wider as templars not only have a ranged stun but also a very reliable spammable. Blows my mind.
+1 on the class part but...
they nerfed the damage significantly before they shortened the cast time. Remember? Took 14% off when they removed the post gcd (0.1s) and then buffed back up by 9% when they shortened the cast time. Now another 16% nerf.
So if DS did 1k dmg with "1.1s" in U21, it did 860 in U22 (1s).
Then got buffed to 937 in U23 (0.8s and cost reduction).
In U22 it would be 787 and knockback removal just fyi.
Why on earth does it need to do even less damage if they would put the cast time back to 1s? Leave the dmg and stun as is, put it back to 1s and we're done here. Bonus points for buffing other weapon spams back up again. They became insignificant after the last nerf rage or had their issues from the get go (Flurry's peak dmg at the end, Crushing is clunky on melee in lag).
And no, off balance isn't a buff in no cp.0
