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There is an easy solution to the bot farming epidemic, stop giving gold mats for Lvl 1 resources

Twohothardware
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I don't know what's going on with the lack of them getting banned on PS4 but they've just about taken over the starter zones. They're everywhere now.

And the reason why? Because it's so easy to farm gold materials they can sell for money.

Every one of these bots they use is under lvl 10 because it takes way too long to level up all these characters that occasionally do finally get banned.

The solution is simple. Stop giving gold materials from farming basic lvl 1 resources. Nobody is crafting lvl 10 armor or jewelry and then upgrading it to gold. You shouldn't even have a 1% chance for a gold temper from Iron Ore or Chromium Grains from Pewter.

The issue will be addressed and you guys can go back to not monitoring the game.
  • Twohothardware
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    Gariele wrote: »
    That’s not true, there are bots of all levels. This is not a fix to the problem but a hinderance to new players.

    I've not see any bots above around lvl 10 and under on PS4 NA. They're all new characters and the majority are Sorcs with a pet. They all have a name like aljkdljkdjfjf.
  • Twohothardware
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    Nestor wrote: »
    Sounds good, but what about all the high level players who do not spend the 50 to 60 skill points in material passives just to farm?

    What ZOS needs to do is start IP Banning accounts. Sure it's not a perfect solution, but make it difficult and the gold sellers will infest other games. Gold Sellers do not make much more than mine wages, so any impact on the dollar per hour will have a huge impact.

    IP banning is difficult. Not everyone even has a static IP, some providers use shared IP's, and with all the low cost VPN's nowadays you can easily change your IP by just connecting through a different VPN server.
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    Gariele wrote: »
    That’s not true, there are bots of all levels. This is not a fix to the problem but a hinderance to new players.

    Pretty much this and also assumes that is the only source of gold for the botters.

    Also, one suggested IP banning. It is not hard to change your IP.
    Really, idk
  • Nestor
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    Nestor wrote: »
    Sounds good, but what about all the high level players who do not spend the 50 to 60 skill points in material passives just to farm?

    What ZOS needs to do is start IP Banning accounts. Sure it's not a perfect solution, but make it difficult and the gold sellers will infest other games. Gold Sellers do not make much more than mine wages, so any impact on the dollar per hour will have a huge impact.

    IP banning is difficult. Not everyone even has a static IP, some providers use shared IP's, and with all the low cost VPN's nowadays you can easily change your IP by just connecting through a different VPN server.

    Used to do it all the time when I was a moderator on the Bethesda Forums. Very effective at getting rid of problem people. Most ISPs/Institutions use IPV6 as the need to track what is done on the internet out weighs any ip convience. Not all that many people use VPNs, so coddling them is a good risk reward trade. No real reason ZOS can't just say no vpns.

    If we wait for a perfect solution, it will never come.
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  • idk
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    Nestor wrote: »
    Nestor wrote: »
    Sounds good, but what about all the high level players who do not spend the 50 to 60 skill points in material passives just to farm?

    What ZOS needs to do is start IP Banning accounts. Sure it's not a perfect solution, but make it difficult and the gold sellers will infest other games. Gold Sellers do not make much more than mine wages, so any impact on the dollar per hour will have a huge impact.

    IP banning is difficult. Not everyone even has a static IP, some providers use shared IP's, and with all the low cost VPN's nowadays you can easily change your IP by just connecting through a different VPN server.

    Used to do it all the time when I was a moderator on the Bethesda Forums. Very effective at getting rid of problem people. Most ISPs/Institutions use IPV6 as the need to track what is done on the internet out weighs any ip convience. Not all that many people use VPNs, so coddling them is a good risk reward trade. No real reason ZOS can't just say no vpns.

    If we wait for a perfect solution, it will never come.

    Forum goers are mostly normal people. Botters are hackers as a profession. This is their living of sorts and they have the tools to go to greater lengths.

    If tackling the bots was as easy as blocking their IP address then I doubt we would be seeing as many bots as we do. I do not think Zos management is that incompetent that they would not use such an easy tool if it was that effective.
    Really, idk
  • Imza
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    Nestor wrote: »
    Nestor wrote: »
    Sounds good, but what about all the high level players who do not spend the 50 to 60 skill points in material passives just to farm?

    What ZOS needs to do is start IP Banning accounts. Sure it's not a perfect solution, but make it difficult and the gold sellers will infest other games. Gold Sellers do not make much more than mine wages, so any impact on the dollar per hour will have a huge impact.

    IP banning is difficult. Not everyone even has a static IP, some providers use shared IP's, and with all the low cost VPN's nowadays you can easily change your IP by just connecting through a different VPN server.

    Used to do it all the time when I was a moderator on the Bethesda Forums. Very effective at getting rid of problem people. Most ISPs/Institutions use IPV6 as the need to track what is done on the internet out weighs any ip convience. Not all that many people use VPNs, so coddling them is a good risk reward trade. No real reason ZOS can't just say no vpns.

    If we wait for a perfect solution, it will never come.

    well - actually - if you implement a no vpn policy you will lose a lot of the south pacific players.
  • Darsaga
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    Most everyone has already mentioned that IP bans will not work on these people. What does work is actual communication with the hardware developers and getting the actual PC/Console ID banned. This method is usually reserved for extreme cases though because of the effort involved to get it done.
  • vesselwiththepestle
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    Uh, what they'd need is a person solely dedicated to bot banning who actively searches for bots, checks if it really is a bot, and moves forward with the banning process. Players repeatedly report, that after reporting bots it takes weeks or even longer until a bot is banned. Maybe ZOS could even code a warning system, which gives an alert if an account produces vast amounts of mats, but doesn't do anythin else. A real person could then check it out.

    In my country static IP are very unusual. Normally IP change here every time you reset your router. Actually, at least a few years ago the routers reset every 24 hours automatically, because the providers didn't want you to have a static ip. Static IP are here mostly reserved for universities, server structures, state departments etc.

    So if you'd ban a IP, the person would just have to reset its router - and randomly completely different people would appear IP banned. I don't understand how you can use IP ban as a valid tool.


  • redgreensunset
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    *snip*.

    In my country static IP are very unusual. Normally IP change here every time you reset your router. Actually, at least a few years ago the routers reset every 24 hours automatically, because the providers didn't want you to have a static ip. Static IP are here mostly reserved for universities, server structures, state departments etc.

    So if you'd ban a IP, the person would just have to reset its router - and randomly completely different people would appear IP banned. I don't understand how you can use IP ban as a valid tool.


    This right here. What a lot of people here either don't know or arrogantly choose to ignore is that outside the US/North America static IPs are very rare. As in, government institutions and big wig companies have them, maybe big education centers such as universities, but no one else does. Because globally there's a lack of IPs and since not everyone is online all the time when you go offline your IP will get reassigned to someone else. What's more is that often sessions are timed, ie you only have an IP for X number of hiurs then, whether you're online or not, it gets changed. Which sometimes means you have to reboot or reset your internet connection to make th web work properly for you again.
    If you simply ban an IP you will outside the US end up banning a lot of innocent people who got allocated an IP that a botter was using at the time they were banned. The botter meanwhile will have to do nothing more than reset their router which t akes abiut 3 minutes, to get a new IP and continue on their way. The people who claim IP is an "efficient tool" are woeduly ignorant pf how the internet worka outside their own littlw backyard called the Us.
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    Bruuuuuuuh.

    Love this solution. Absolute perfection.
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  • Ohtimbar
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    The prevalence of bots is a staffing/budgeting problem and it won't be solved.
    Edited by Ohtimbar on August 20, 2019 10:41PM
  • Zulera301
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    all this would do would make gold mats become rarer and thus jack up the price.
    Im all for banning the bots, but don't make a rare item become even rarer than it is just because bots.
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    Zulera301 wrote: »
    all this would do would make gold mats become rarer and thus jack up the price.
    Im all for banning the bots, but don't make a rare item become even rarer than it is just because bots.

    Eliminate the chance for gold mats on lower level resources and increase the chance on max resources to compensate. Problem solved.
  • SenpaiNFT
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    Nah leave the bots. They keep mats at a cheap price, they’re useful to the economy.

    Cigarettes and alcohol are terrible but they provide tax money so they’re still allowed. It’s all for the sake of the economy.
  • unclesheosnephew
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    Whos not upgrading lower level gear to gold? NA Server Live can easily show the gear is realluzv5e7zel31.png
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  • InvictusApollo
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    Nestor wrote: »
    Sounds good, but what about all the high level players who do not spend the 50 to 60 skill points in material passives just to farm?

    What ZOS needs to do is start IP Banning accounts. Sure it's not a perfect solution, but make it difficult and the gold sellers will infest other games. Gold Sellers do not make much more than minimum wages, so any impact on the dollar per hour will have a huge impact.

    Would you like to have your account IP banned? If developers ever introduce what you are suggesting, please give me your IP and I will have it banned within a day.
    Fortunately for you, they won't introduce your idea because they are actual IT specialists and know how stupid it is.
    Please educate yourself in the subject of networking.
  • Nordic__Knights
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    Zulera301 wrote: »
    all this would do would make gold mats become rarer and thus jack up the price.
    Im all for banning the bots, but don't make a rare item become even rarer than it is just because bots.

    Eliminate the chance for gold mats on lower level resources and increase the chance on max resources to compensate. Problem solved.

    That wouldn't solve your problem the only thing you would do is force your bots to level up
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