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Dizzying Swing is too strong in PvP.

master_vanargand
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Dizzying Swing is spammable big damage stun skill.
This became OP because the cast time was shortened.
Dizzying Swing is too strong in PvP.
So this should be nerf.
  • Cerotonin
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    Have you tried like... not trying to get hit?

    I still find this skill as the most difficult to use because of how easily people can cancel it. Some people are the kings and queens of roll-dodging.

    Edit: I also think it’s good against mags that count a numerous amount of DoTs on you, if you survive in time to hit them repeatedly.
    Edited by Cerotonin on September 1, 2019 8:05PM
  • master_vanargand
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    Have you tried like... not trying to get hit?

    I still find this skill as the most difficult to use because of how easily people can cancel it. Some people are the kings and queens of roll-dodging.

    Dizzying Swing is more damaging than other spammable skills.
    This is evidence of a poor balance of spammable skills.
  • Saril_Durzam
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    Everyone is using it.

    One thought: if every skill that uses everybody is nerfed.... what all we use then?
  • master_vanargand
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    Everyone is using it.

    One thought: if every skill that uses everybody is nerfed.... what all we use then?

    I want more diversity than skill that are too strong.
  • Thogard
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    I honestly haven’t noticed a difference since last patch. The shortened cast time does make it easier to use, but adds more time for opponent counterplay before the next hit lands.
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  • Vermethys
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    On its own, I don't think it really is OP. It's strong and annoying when you're on the receiving end, especially so if you have higher latency -- at 250ms, if I block once I see its wind up animation, then it's too late. Yet, it's not dangerous by itself. But what makes it strong is its synergy with Onslaught, which is (imho) a ridiculously unbalanced ability.
    Edited by Vermethys on September 1, 2019 7:09PM
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  • Lokey0024
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    👎
  • Royalthought
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    I tend to enjoy going against it. I constantly walk into to the person winding it up knowing it'll be canceled.

    Of course if you get jumped from behind it hits hard. But if you can't see it coming the cast time is irrelevant.
  • The_Lex
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    Oh, yay! Another nerf thread.
  • Derra
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    My expectation of this topic: A lot of people who recently picked up using dizzying swing assuring everyone that the skill is perfectly fine in every way imaginable.
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  • MentalxHammer
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    Dizzying swing has been barely usable since launch, against a skilled player the 1s cast time made it practically useless. The cast time reduction finally makes it a viable skill to use for high level pvp.
  • usmguy1234
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    People are only crying because they are finally getting hit with it. 1 second delay previously was more like 3 seconds. Your opponent could dance the cha cha around you while you were still winding up the skill.
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  • Solariken
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    D-Swing is perfectly balanced. It's also the most fun and viscerally rewarding skill in the game. Don't you dare be nerfing it ZOS.
  • KillsAllElves
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    Everyone is using it.

    One thought: if every skill that uses everybody is nerfed.... what all we use then?

    I want more diversity than skill that are too strong.

    "Diversity". hahahahahahaha
  • Sanctum74
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    Moving out of the way is much easier than making a nerf thread, js.
  • chris211
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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
  • Urzigurumash
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    2h and Sword & Board users need a reliable spammable that does damage.

    I suppose if we nerf Dswing, we could buff Puncture damage by 37%, and maybe Low Slash damage by 31%?
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  • Lokey0024
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    They need to remove the CC component. Then remove the damage component and make it heal. Then the QQ component.
  • Deathlord92
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    I think what makes dizzy swing so strong is server performance because I could be stood well out of dizzy swing range and still get hit by it. I could also block and still take a full dizzy swing straight to the face.
    Edited by Deathlord92 on September 2, 2019 4:09PM
  • Lord_Sando
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    Dizzy has to be used in very close range plus it has a cast time it SHOULD be a risk involved with the reward. keep your range staves and massive dots and leave dizzy alone.
  • Vapirko
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    Derra wrote: »
    My expectation of this topic: A lot of people who recently picked up using dizzying swing assuring everyone that the skill is perfectly fine in every way imaginable.

    Do you use dizzy swing?
  • CompM4s
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    Wow....
  • Rikumaru
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    Yes dizzying does do more damage than other spammables with CC. You know what else it has? A 0.8 second cast time rendering the user unable to AC with it and allowing the enemy to appropriately react to the skill. Maybe roll? Maybe tap block? Maybe do both of the above while casting defensive skills / heals?
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  • GeorgeBlack
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    Derra wrote: »
    My expectation of this topic: A lot of people who recently picked up using dizzying swing assuring everyone that the skill is perfectly fine in every way imaginable.

    Look! A magsorc complaining.

    (I dont even use 2h before you even go there noob)
    Edited by GeorgeBlack on September 2, 2019 3:43AM
  • cmvet
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    Rikumaru wrote: »
    Yes dizzying does do more damage than other spammables with CC. You know what else it has? A 0.8 second cast time rendering the user unable to AC with it and allowing the enemy to appropriately react to the skill. Maybe roll? Maybe tap block? Maybe do both of the above while casting defensive skills / heals?

    I believe you can shorten that duration with canceling, that with the inevitable lag that is cyrodiil is what makes people feel like they are getting hit with 2 or 3 dizzy's before they can react. I think Dizzy is fine at the 0.8 sec cast, just make it where you can't animation cancel it.
  • LeHarrt91
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    My issue when fighting Dizzy user: Hits when i walk out of range.

    My issue when using Dizzy: It doesn't hit.
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  • FearlessOne_2014
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    LeHarrt91 wrote: »
    My issue when fighting Dizzy user: Hits when i walk out of range.

    My issue when using Dizzy: It doesn't hit.

    This right here! I'm like 15 meters or more away and still get hit with 2 DS at once.

    My guess is server performance is what's make it OP AF. Well since ZOS can't fix their servers. They should just balance this ability because of that fact.
  • Muzza45
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    With a latency of 500+ I find it virtually impossible to hit anything with DS. Conversely, I’m flattened with it all the time, even when I think I’ve blocked or dodged. 2H is no longer an option for me. I don’t want anything nerfed... just give me the server performance I pay good cash for.
  • Zer0_CooL
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    I highly recomend you to create a stam char and once play it in pvp. So you'll get a better feeling for how the skill works. You'll see how hard it actually is to land a hit with this skill. Since your char got to reach back before swinging the 2H the enemy always sees it comming .

    Work on your movement before complaining about a supposed OP skill.

    Sincerely, a mag player.
  • Rikumaru
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    cmvet wrote: »
    Rikumaru wrote: »
    Yes dizzying does do more damage than other spammables with CC. You know what else it has? A 0.8 second cast time rendering the user unable to AC with it and allowing the enemy to appropriately react to the skill. Maybe roll? Maybe tap block? Maybe do both of the above while casting defensive skills / heals?

    I believe you can shorten that duration with canceling, that with the inevitable lag that is cyrodiil is what makes people feel like they are getting hit with 2 or 3 dizzy's before they can react. I think Dizzy is fine at the 0.8 sec cast, just make it where you can't animation cancel it.

    You can't AC with it. People are complaining about cast times on ultimates and how you can't AC with them when they have a 0.4 second cast time. You can however weave with with it (light attack -> skill) like every ability in the game.
    Overload rework. Power Overload now does physical damage and grants you the power of a tornado: You throw a brick at the target with a light attack, and you hammer your head into that brick with every heavy attack. We have decreased its Ultimate cost, but increased the chance that you get stuck in the animation.
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