Man, someone had to go digging for this old thread.
You've come a long way baby. This thread, some some great advice in it, was a springboard to actually improving. I can now do 45k+ on a test dummy.
And, btw, there are still people who think I suck
Septimus_Magna wrote: »I recently returned and had to update my rotation and build so I know what you're going through. I was struggling to get good dps but now I can solo parse 32k consistently. Magicka pet sorcs have a relatively easy rotation, good sustain, good AoE dmg and great survivablity so I would recommend this class to begin with.
Consumables
Use spell power pots, not cheap but serious dps increase
Witchmothers potent brew (use one health glyph on your chest/head/legs)
Mundus
Lover for solo/pug
Apprentice for trails/good group
Gear
Most guides show gold trail jewelry, vMA weapons or perfected vAS weapon which is unobtainable for many players. You mentioned you dont run vet dungeons so I will suggest a setup with only one monster piece.
5x Necropotence (3x jewelry, 2x body)
5x Julianos (4x body and 2x lightning staves)
1x Domihaus (1x shoulder) one that give max magikca or spell dmg is also fine
Skills
Front bar: infused fire staff (shock enchant)
1) cfrags
2) force pulse
3) daedric prey
4) volatile familiar
5) bound aegis/inner light
U) Greater Storm Atronach
Front bar: nirnhoned lightning staff (weapon/spell dmg enchant)
1) liquid lightning
2) elemental wall
3) volatile familiar
4) hardened ward (use elemental drain for parse)
5) bound aegis/inner light
U) Elemental Rage
Rotation
spell power pot > ele drain > Storm Atro (Elemental Rage for AoE)
LA > liquid > LA > wall > LA > pet > barswap
LA > curse > LA > FP > HA > barswap
Cast cfrags if it procs, priority over other front bar skills
If you get two cfrags procs on your front bar skip the HA
If you run low on resources use HA instead of FP in the rotation
If you need to shield in the rotation skip FP/HA depending on your resources
Use LA>ele drain after pet when it runs out
Use Storm Atro/spell power pots on cooldown
Practice
Buy a stack of spell power pots and practice on a 3m dummy to get familiar with the rotation. You want to get to a point that you can talk to someone without messing up the rotation because in real fights you'll need to pay attention on the boss mechanics. It will take some time to get a full 3m parse without mistakes but you'll get there eventually. Once you get the rotation down focus on weaving light attacks and bar swap cancel skills, you can find plenty in-depth videos explaining these mechanics.
Combat Metrics is a good way to analyze what each skill did during the parse. On skills like Liquid and Wall you want 100% up time. Curse and Pet Pulse should NOT have 100% up time because it means you missed the (last) dmg tick.
Srenndar/Action Duration Timer are useful addons to track the skill durations.
LiquidPony wrote: »God I'm sick of hearing game demi-gods claiming this is easy. I can trash mobs at 40-60k, kick dolmens and public dungeons solo, do some Craglorn group content solo (yeah, yeah, I know some of you can do this blindfolded), so I've got a few skills, but put be in front of a 3 ml test dummy and I can stand there buffing, de-buffing, laying down DoT's, and blasting with everything I've got while maintaining my resources and can still only manage about 10-12k at most. After 1700+ hours and a couple of DPS toons at 700+ CP, gold gear and staff, decent rotation skills, animation canceling (though I'm not really great at it) and I still comparably suck. Put me a vet dungeon where I'm running around trying to stay alive and my suckage meter goes up even further. As a result, I don't even try vet and any HM content as I'm tired of guys getting pissed and kicking me. Honestly, I'm doing the very best I can, but apparently there's something I'm missing? I have no clue how anyone can get even 20k out of a test dummy let alone maintain that level in a dungeon and/or trial. Am I forever doomed to an ESO life of suckage?
Ya im not sure how these guys claim 40k dps solo on a dummy. Someone show me a video of that. I feel like a have a decent handle on this game, meta gear, read just about the entire web on how to DPS on that stupid dummy. I can't get over 22k and I'm AC and weaving on my sorc. I could maybe squeak out another 2-3k dps if I was perfect in my rotation but getting over 30k doesn't seem possible. I was in the 10-12 range a few weeks ago, only ever PVP'ed in this game, but changing my skills to damage over time skills on top of direct damage made the difference to get to 20k.The trick is to have 2-3 damage over time skills always on the dummy then direct damage. Also make sure you have around 50% crit. Alcast site is a good starting point for PVE builds, at least it was for me.
I'm a scrub on a sorc. Here's 40k with a ridiculously simple heavy attack rotation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPMzWQhefaQ
God I'm sick of hearing game demi-gods claiming this is easy. I can trash mobs at 40-60k, kick dolmens and public dungeons solo, do some Craglorn group content solo (yeah, yeah, I know some of you can do this blindfolded), so I've got a few skills, but put be in front of a 3 ml test dummy and I can stand there buffing, de-buffing, laying down DoT's, and blasting with everything I've got while maintaining my resources and can still only manage about 10-12k at most. After 1700+ hours and a couple of DPS toons at 700+ CP, gold gear and staff, decent rotation skills, animation canceling (though I'm not really great at it) and I still comparably suck. Put me a vet dungeon where I'm running around trying to stay alive and my suckage meter goes up even further. As a result, I don't even try vet and any HM content as I'm tired of guys getting pissed and kicking me. Honestly, I'm doing the very best I can, but apparently there's something I'm missing? I have no clue how anyone can get even 20k out of a test dummy let alone maintain that level in a dungeon and/or trial. Am I forever doomed to an ESO life of suckage?
Man, someone had to go digging for this old thread.
You've come a long way baby. This thread, some some great advice in it, was a springboard to actually improving. I can now do 45k+ on a test dummy.
And, btw, there are still people who think I suck
Congratz on your improvement.
Could you share your most important advice to improve?
I can get 32k on a magcro now (6mill dummy), but higher seems way out of reach now. I use Alcast's build, but i do not have the trail armor, replaced it with Mother Sorrow. I do not have Zaan, replaced it with Llambris.
My most recent improvements were: Use the crit potions, re-allocate the traits of the jewelry, better animation cancelling (before i did skill -> LA instead of LA -> skill) and I got the vMA staff, so that has improved my DPS a lot.
Still would love to get better though.
LiquidPony wrote: »God I'm sick of hearing game demi-gods claiming this is easy. I can trash mobs at 40-60k, kick dolmens and public dungeons solo, do some Craglorn group content solo (yeah, yeah, I know some of you can do this blindfolded), so I've got a few skills, but put be in front of a 3 ml test dummy and I can stand there buffing, de-buffing, laying down DoT's, and blasting with everything I've got while maintaining my resources and can still only manage about 10-12k at most. After 1700+ hours and a couple of DPS toons at 700+ CP, gold gear and staff, decent rotation skills, animation canceling (though I'm not really great at it) and I still comparably suck. Put me a vet dungeon where I'm running around trying to stay alive and my suckage meter goes up even further. As a result, I don't even try vet and any HM content as I'm tired of guys getting pissed and kicking me. Honestly, I'm doing the very best I can, but apparently there's something I'm missing? I have no clue how anyone can get even 20k out of a test dummy let alone maintain that level in a dungeon and/or trial. Am I forever doomed to an ESO life of suckage?
Ya im not sure how these guys claim 40k dps solo on a dummy. Someone show me a video of that. I feel like a have a decent handle on this game, meta gear, read just about the entire web on how to DPS on that stupid dummy. I can't get over 22k and I'm AC and weaving on my sorc. I could maybe squeak out another 2-3k dps if I was perfect in my rotation but getting over 30k doesn't seem possible. I was in the 10-12 range a few weeks ago, only ever PVP'ed in this game, but changing my skills to damage over time skills on top of direct damage made the difference to get to 20k.The trick is to have 2-3 damage over time skills always on the dummy then direct damage. Also make sure you have around 50% crit. Alcast site is a good starting point for PVE builds, at least it was for me.
I'm a scrub on a sorc. Here's 40k with a ridiculously simple heavy attack rotation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPMzWQhefaQ
Nice!
LiquidPony wrote: »Can you guys please, please stop showing this guy 3 million dummy burst parses? This is really annoying me, you can't tell someone who is has yet to get into rotations and endgame dps burst parses that completely drain their magicka within 80 seconds.
What he needs is longer videos with sustainable rotations that you can actually fully sustain.
For newer players in trials the magicka drain is usually a lot higher than for experienced players on magicka builds because they tend to shield themselves a lot more. So what they need is a decent buildt that makes it easy to adapt to mechanics, basically an endgame starter build. pet sorcs qualify for that the best because they have a lot of passive damage and can simply heavy attack as a spammable skill..
The rotation that @Liquidpony showed above is probably the best advice in here.
Here's what I do when I want to get a toon trial ready:
1. Conceptualise a build. Look at the duration of damage over time effects, ground aoes and think of the best way to align them.
2. Fill the gaps with either a spammable skill or heavy attacks.
3. Stand in front of a centurion dummy and kill it. Only way to see whether what you do is sustainable within a trial and 20 minutes of the same rotation will nail it into your head...
Right, the beautiful thing about that magsorc build is that resources are basically infinite, even without Ele Drain or Worm.
However, I would say that anything beyond the 6mil skeleton solo is a bit ridiculous ... not like you're asked to fight for 5 minutes straight in real game scenarios without shards or orbs or other synergies or support buffs.
Plus, for someone just starting to try to get their DPS up, the 3mil dummy is in fact a good way to practice and a good way to see results quickly. And this guy isn't trying to get a character "Trial ready" anyway; he's talking about getting his DPS up to a spot to do vet dungeons, so I think 3mil parses are totally appropriate here frankly.
MehrunesFlagon wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »Can you guys please, please stop showing this guy 3 million dummy burst parses? This is really annoying me, you can't tell someone who is has yet to get into rotations and endgame dps burst parses that completely drain their magicka within 80 seconds.
What he needs is longer videos with sustainable rotations that you can actually fully sustain.
For newer players in trials the magicka drain is usually a lot higher than for experienced players on magicka builds because they tend to shield themselves a lot more. So what they need is a decent buildt that makes it easy to adapt to mechanics, basically an endgame starter build. pet sorcs qualify for that the best because they have a lot of passive damage and can simply heavy attack as a spammable skill..
The rotation that @Liquidpony showed above is probably the best advice in here.
Here's what I do when I want to get a toon trial ready:
1. Conceptualise a build. Look at the duration of damage over time effects, ground aoes and think of the best way to align them.
2. Fill the gaps with either a spammable skill or heavy attacks.
3. Stand in front of a centurion dummy and kill it. Only way to see whether what you do is sustainable within a trial and 20 minutes of the same rotation will nail it into your head...
Right, the beautiful thing about that magsorc build is that resources are basically infinite, even without Ele Drain or Worm.
However, I would say that anything beyond the 6mil skeleton solo is a bit ridiculous ... not like you're asked to fight for 5 minutes straight in real game scenarios without shards or orbs or other synergies or support buffs.
Plus, for someone just starting to try to get their DPS up, the 3mil dummy is in fact a good way to practice and a good way to see results quickly. And this guy isn't trying to get a character "Trial ready" anyway; he's talking about getting his DPS up to a spot to do vet dungeons, so I think 3mil parses are totally appropriate here frankly.
Takes me less than 4 to take down a 21 million iron atro.