Both issues were about the ease of application of powerful mechanics. Same for the Proctopia patches.

The dots we're talking about don't do huge damage, especially when we see what hots are doing now. But they are so easy to apply from max range, with no need to specialize or build for them, their impact is outsized compared to the damage.

For me there's really just one big offender rn and thats Entropy. It's so overloaded. It is now the strongest or one of the strongest single target dots, it gives major sorcery along with 2% max mag and mag recovery and heals. It was a useful skill before and I am still unclear as to why an already good utility skill got such a massive dot especially when mag builds weren't exactly hurting for dots. What gets me is that ZOS was just talking about how skills should be either high damage or high in utility and not both.

For me soul trap is not so bad though perhaps a bit strong. At least its still usable on both mag and stam and it doesn't have any passives in that skill line to synergize with and only provides small secondary effects which are both useful.

Sloads was still worse though imo. But it was also compounded by the glyph bugs at that time.

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Sload's was worse. Although there is one similarity:

Nightblades get a free exemption from damage as usual.

1) Sload's got nerfed (twice) so that it wouldn't bring them out of stealth and so stamblades couold dodge it anyway.

2) DOTs are brutal against everyone except purgebot Templars and, you guessed it, Nightblades, who somehow get to "suppress" DOTs whenever they feel like it!

This was the trade off for giving up the cleanse morph of Cloak.

Firstmep wrote: »

On my magplar im hitting some ppl for 1,8k 2k entropy ticks in no cp.
Considering that ppl were doing that much damage with bleeds before its not unreasonable. I do find it weird it tho that both entropy and consuming trap do more damage than for example sun fire.
Again in no cp my sun fire has a 18k tooltip, my entropy has 26k. Not exactly standardised as was promised.

Sun Fire is only 8 seconds, right? Entropy is 12 seconds. Because it is 50% longer duration, it SHOULD have a 50% higher tooltip. Therefore, the dps of these two spells is about the same.

Working as intended!

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

On my magplar im hitting some ppl for 1,8k 2k entropy ticks in no cp.
Considering that ppl were doing that much damage with bleeds before its not unreasonable. I do find it weird it tho that both entropy and consuming trap do more damage than for example sun fire.
Again in no cp my sun fire has a 18k tooltip, my entropy has 26k. Not exactly standardised as was promised.

Sun Fire is only 8 seconds, right? Entropy is 12 seconds. Because it is 50% longer duration, it SHOULD have a 50% higher tooltip. Therefore, the dps of these two spells is about the same.

Working as intended!

you really are clueless...

It would have been fine if vigor buffs were left but too much forum outcry so balance will be in the Magicka side for a while

Dots even worse. ZOS destroyed pvp and pve rotation. Game is so bad now. This is the worst patch ever

Bosov wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Both issues were about the ease of application of powerful mechanics. Same for the Proctopia patches.

The dots we're talking about don't do huge damage, especially when we see what hots are doing now. But they are so easy to apply from max range, with no need to specialize or build for them, their impact is outsized compared to the damage.

Dont do huge damage? On average i think one cast of entropy does about 1k damage per second and so does soul trap.

There are screenshots of 12k entropy dots. I had a 10k fetcher dot from a mag warden on my recap today.

Just one dot can be outhealed by a hot but all those dots? It is just too much to outheal.

1k dps is not huge damage. Just because it ticks on you for a long time doesn't make it huge. If 8 people apply 1k dps dot to you, it's still not huge -- it's 8 people attacking you. Would you rather eat 8 Snipes?

The problem is that those 8 people are at max range at zero risk.

Vapirko wrote: »

For me there's really just one big offender rn and thats Entropy. It's so overloaded. It is now the strongest or one of the strongest single target dots, it gives major sorcery along with 2% max mag and mag recovery and heals. It was a useful skill before and I am still unclear as to why an already good utility skill got such a massive dot especially when mag builds weren't exactly hurting for dots.

Entropy is a tough one. It's the go-to source (in same cases the ONLY source) for Major Sorcery. But it requires a target. Those mag toons don't get to pre-buff before a fight, automatically they are losing 1 GCD just to get an essential buff; 1 second of losing the initiative in a fight is not minor.

Entropy having some damage seems reasonable so it's isn't a dead slot that does nothing else. But the damage portion ticking over ~6 seconds perhaps would be more appropriate. You aren't going to give up 1/6 GCDs for 1dps.

NBrookus wrote: »

Bosov wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Both issues were about the ease of application of powerful mechanics. Same for the Proctopia patches.

The dots we're talking about don't do huge damage, especially when we see what hots are doing now. But they are so easy to apply from max range, with no need to specialize or build for them, their impact is outsized compared to the damage.

Dont do huge damage? On average i think one cast of entropy does about 1k damage per second and so does soul trap.

There are screenshots of 12k entropy dots. I had a 10k fetcher dot from a mag warden on my recap today.

Just one dot can be outhealed by a hot but all those dots? It is just too much to outheal.

1k dps is not huge damage. Just because it ticks on you for a long time doesn't make it huge. If 8 people apply 1k dps dot to you, it's still not huge -- it's 8 people attacking you. Would you rather eat 8 Snipes?

The problem is that those 8 people are at max range at zero risk.

Vapirko wrote: »

For me there's really just one big offender rn and thats Entropy. It's so overloaded. It is now the strongest or one of the strongest single target dots, it gives major sorcery along with 2% max mag and mag recovery and heals. It was a useful skill before and I am still unclear as to why an already good utility skill got such a massive dot especially when mag builds weren't exactly hurting for dots.

Entropy is a tough one. It's the go-to source (in same cases the ONLY source) for Major Sorcery. But it requires a target. Those mag toons don't get to pre-buff before a fight, automatically they are losing 1 GCD just to get an essential buff; 1 second of losing the initiative in a fight is not minor.

Entropy having some damage seems reasonable so it's isn't a dead slot that does nothing else. But the damage portion ticking over ~6 seconds perhaps would be more appropriate. You aren't going to give up 1/6 GCDs for 1dps.

Ok yeah you can’t prebuff. Idk about you personally but when I play mag toons, I’m never ever ever thinking to myself, man applying entropy at range is a real problem. In fact it’s no issue at all so I really don’t think that’s a pain point. Entropy was worth slotting on a lot of builds last patch and for a long time before that and not just for the major sorcery. It was a well rounded utility skill. There’s really no reason for the massive dot. Because now it’s just moved into the one skill does everything category which is not good for the game. No abilities should be like. Living Dark has definitely moved into that category as well. That’s like adding major brutality to rending slashes along with max stam and stam recovery bonuses. Would I love that as a stam player? Sure. But I’d never advocate for it because it would be overloaded as hell.

the dot's should have never been introduced into the game especially as single target healing has gotten worse.
Benefit that mass, not the solo.
Typically the trend which is horrible!

Firstmep wrote: »

On my magplar im hitting some ppl for 1,8k 2k entropy ticks in no cp.
Considering that ppl were doing that much damage with bleeds before its not unreasonable. I do find it weird it tho that both entropy and consuming trap do more damage than for example sun fire.
Again in no cp my sun fire has a 18k tooltip, my entropy has 26k. Not exactly standardised as was promised.

Yeah, but then again they aren't selling the Templar skill lines in the crown store yet.