The Mutagen changes in 5.1.4 are awful when you don’t turn Rapid Regeneration into a self heal.

Seraphayel · August 2019

Cheezits94 wrote: »

Mendosa wrote: »

Same char, same food, same gear.

Looks great, a good and strong Magicka HoT that's worth using in a trial!

Well with this numbers it doesn’t look as bad as I thought it would. If they’ll make RR exclusively self heal now I can even see their reasoning behind doing this. I still somehow had the impression new Mutagen would be the 20s HoT and forgot they halved the duration.

tmbrinks · August 2019

Argonian Templar, Jorvulds/Olo/Sentinel. 3 Spell Damage enchants, major courage, potion up, warhorn. infused large pieces, 2 prismatic, 1 magicka on large. Atro Mundus

MinarasLaure · August 2019

Mendosa wrote: »

Same char, same food, same gear.

Im not sure its a nerf tbh.
It depends on how one used it in the first place.
If it was slotted as a "oh shi*" sitation heal, its a nerf.
Otherwise its a hell of a buff.

tmbrinks · August 2019

tmbrinks wrote: »

Argonian Templar, Jorvulds/Olo/Sentinel. 3 Spell Damage enchants, major courage, potion up, warhorn. infused large pieces, 2 prismatic, 1 magicka on large.

Goes up to 26642 with a weapon damage enchant on the resto bar when procced.

EDIT: I lied... I forgot to put the CP in with my template... lol

Insco851 · August 2019

tmbrinks wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Argonian Templar, Jorvulds/Olo/Sentinel. 3 Spell Damage enchants, major courage, potion up, warhorn. infused large pieces, 2 prismatic, 1 magicka on large.

Goes up to 23370 with a weapon damage enchant on the resto bar when procced.

Sooooooooo we went from vigor stacks to RR/Mut stacks... 🤣

tmbrinks · August 2019

Insco851 wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Argonian Templar, Jorvulds/Olo/Sentinel. 3 Spell Damage enchants, major courage, potion up, warhorn. infused large pieces, 2 prismatic, 1 magicka on large.

Goes up to 23370 with a weapon damage enchant on the resto bar when procced.

Sooooooooo we went from vigor stacks to RR/Mut stacks... 🤣

...and I forgot my CP in those numbers... template characters... lol

The_Auror · August 2019

Insco851 wrote: »

Sooooooooo we went from vigor stacks to RR/Mut stacks... 🤣

At least the healers will be doing the healing this time

Iskiab · August 2019

Golden question is does it stack, what happens when two players cast it with overwriting the hot, and is it a smart heal?

I’ve noticed with RR sometimes two casts back to back will hit the same people. I think how it functions will decide how good it is.

luen79rwb17_ESO · August 2019

That tooltip looks good

Hotdog_23 · August 2019

Glad it covers more than 1 person now. Really wish it would hit 4 instead of 3 so it would be even more useful in 4 man dungeons but I guess with the targeting not always right you could hit it twice and generally have it on all 4 people over the 2 it does now.

Beardimus · August 2019

Lisutaris wrote: »

Here, take a hiss .... changes are awful and the ones who wanted them/agreed to it are only playing pvp.

WTF? Wrong.

Seraphayel · August 2019

As I said, with the tooltips corrected I agree it’s a change that’s been overdue yet I don’t see the point of Rapid Regeneration then.

Rapid Regeneration is tailored to be the strong and short self heal like Resolving Vigor yet it isn’t a self heal per se. If they’d change that everything would be fine.

Olupajmibanan · August 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

Golden question is does it stack, what happens when two players cast it with overwriting the hot, and is it a smart heal?

I’ve noticed with RR sometimes two casts back to back will hit the same people. I think how it functions will decide how good it is.

On live, you can stack multiple instances of Regeneration on a target when casted by different players. This is regardless of morph (e.g. a target can have on him 2 mutagens, 3 regenerations and 4 rapid regens).Also, on live it is a smart heal that won't hit a target that already does have the hot from you. It can hit same player again only in the case that all other players in the area have the hot on them with duration greater than the player.

Doubt they changed those functionalities. If they did, it's surely because they messed something up in the process of rewroking the ability rather than intentionaly taking them away.

Can someone confirm behaviour of Regeneration on PTS?

Ozby · August 2019

xaraan wrote: »

I like the changes personally.

funny don't see a healer in your signature??

Cinbri · August 2019

Good change. Sadly we cant stack similar morphs of rapid/radiating anymore.

Sandman929 · August 2019

Cinbri wrote: »

Good change. Sadly we cant stack similar morphs of rapid/radiating anymore.

I see this a lot, and being a console peasant I guess I'm not really sure what stacks. Someone said Ritual of Retribution didn't, but I went online and confirmed that on live it in fact does. I see multiple mutagen stacks on the console buff tracker (for whatever that's worth), but I haven't actually checked that on live. Is this non-stacking new on the PTS or is it in fact this way on live?

Jodynn · August 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

Mendosa wrote: »

Same char, same food, same gear.

Wut. That tooltip doesn’t make sense, sounds like it’s only you or 3 nearby allies. I take it that the ability’s 3 targets every time?

you or up to 3 allies

So it targets you, or 3 allies

But I think they mean, you and 2 allies or 3 allies... IDK, ZOS

Iskiab · August 2019

Seraphayel wrote: »

As I said, with the tooltips corrected I agree it’s a change that’s been overdue yet I don’t see the point of Rapid Regeneration then.

Rapid Regeneration is tailored to be the strong and short self heal like Resolving Vigor yet it isn’t a self heal per se. If they’d change that everything would be fine.

I think Rapid Regen is meant to fill in the gap for classes without a single target burst heal; sorcs, DKs (sorta) and wardens. The tooltip’s strong enough they can use it as a burst heal along with their other hots.

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Golden question is does it stack, what happens when two players cast it with overwriting the hot, and is it a smart heal?

I’ve noticed with RR sometimes two casts back to back will hit the same people. I think how it functions will decide how good it is.

On live, you can stack multiple instances of Regeneration on a target when casted by different players. This is regardless of morph (e.g. a target can have on him 2 mutagens, 3 regenerations and 4 rapid regens).Also, on live it is a smart heal that won't hit a target that already does have the hot from you. It can hit same player again only in the case that all other players in the area have the hot on them with duration greater than the player.

Doubt they changed those functionalities. If they did, it's surely because they messed something up in the process of rewroking the ability rather than intentionaly taking them away.

Can someone confirm behaviour of Regeneration on PTS?

I’ve noticed the behaviour in cyrodiil. It’ll recast on the same players in back to back casts, might be lag related because with lag all sorts of funky things happen.

Ragnaroek93 · August 2019

Can't be awful because it's not Vigor yet.

Kadoin · August 2019

I think the real reason for the change was because after taking major protection off "Light's Champion", anyone with a brain swapped to Life Giver and there the problem really begins. On live in light armor if I don't act dumb I can use it and survive a zerg in light armor (9.7K resist).

While I can see how that is broken, ZOS could always have taken the step to address the fact that the ultimate is, was, and always will be overloaded. In fact, if their goal was to stop that kind of behavior, then they've failed miserably because with the purge changes + increased tooltip, that ultimate will become an even bigger issue if you have the "skill" to use it right (or also simply wear a set or three that purifies).

ZOS outplayed themselves this time ...

Cinbri · August 2019

Sandman929 wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Good change. Sadly we cant stack similar morphs of rapid/radiating anymore.

I see this a lot, and being a console peasant I guess I'm not really sure what stacks. Someone said Ritual of Retribution didn't, but I went online and confirmed that on live it in fact does. I see multiple mutagen stacks on the console buff tracker (for whatever that's worth), but I haven't actually checked that on live. Is this non-stacking new on the PTS or is it in fact this way on live?

Right now you can stack similar morphs of Regeneration and Vigor. But next update no longer.

Sandman929 · August 2019

Cinbri wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Good change. Sadly we cant stack similar morphs of rapid/radiating anymore.

I see this a lot, and being a console peasant I guess I'm not really sure what stacks. Someone said Ritual of Retribution didn't, but I went online and confirmed that on live it in fact does. I see multiple mutagen stacks on the console buff tracker (for whatever that's worth), but I haven't actually checked that on live. Is this non-stacking new on the PTS or is it in fact this way on live?

Right now you can stack similar morphs of Regeneration and Vigor. But next update no longer.

Thanks. That makes sense as something applied to targets rather than ground AoE

A_Silverius · August 2019

Seems like a similar situation! Get used to your new Bosmer Mutagen, they were changed in a game that's under constant development and where change is inevitable, good and bad. It's time to move on and get over it.

Aznarb · August 2019

Seraphayel wrote: »

Title says it all.

Thanks for butchering this skill. Oh and Mutagen emergency heal bringing someone back from the brink of death? In which game?

Disagree, as healer I really love the change of these skill.

In some of my char I use mutagen for extra free sustain and on my warden main I use RR as an emergency heal.
And since PvP Boy have cry on oh powerful was the Healing ward and it get nerfed to hell, I'm glad to have this option to put a true burst heal on my warden who was really lacking of it.

I had no problem with the old effect, but the new if far better.

Also, stop with the stupid "RR is a bad self heal" it's NOT a self heal omfg.

Firstmep · August 2019

Rapid regen feels like *** when used in a grp like bgs.

Feels like im always the last person to get the heal, even when my teammates are on full hp.

Should be a self heal like resolving vigor, at least with vigor im a guaranteed to get the heal myself.

Playing magicka and trying to use this skill when not solo feels like ass.

Jodynn · August 2019

RR is a bad self heal if you treat it as one and in pvp that's its purpose as 5 second one tick on someone isn't good in pve and pvp unless you can control where it goes.

Mutagen is a nice change.

Jodynn · August 2019

Firstmep wrote: »

Rapid regen feels like *** when used in a grp like bgs.

Feels like im always the last person to get the heal, even when my teammates are on full hp.

Should be a self heal like resolving vigor, at least with vigor im a guaranteed to get the heal myself.

Playing magicka and trying to use this skill when not solo feels like ass.

Even solo it's bad because it goes on a rando when you need it.