Golding your weapons is a really fast, easy and cheap way to up your DPS I don't see why anyone would not do it it's not like you're changing weapons every week, especially the MA stuff. As for armor the only set I ever golded was my SPC (big sad) and I can't say it was worth it, wont make a big difference on your DPS either.

Of course that rotation playing a huge role in DPS and with a good rotation and decent gear you can deal okay DPS and I honestly doubt anyone will complain if you're doing content where that kind of DPS is sufficient such as veteran dungeons and the easier veteran trials. But if you're doing progression raiding where every member should seek to improve at their role as much as they can to push boundaries and achieve higher scores (and complete harder content) then you not taking the very easy, cheap and effective step of golding your gear and farming some easy to get sets just shows that you are not willing to improve and try and push those boundaries and this fact alone makes you unqualified for any progression group in my opinion, regardless of your decent DPS. It just sounds like you're giving up at decent and now reaching towards great.

Royaji wrote: »

For people who care about DPS (don't come at me with "but the average player!", I'm well aware that the average player struggles to hit 10k) 30k is barely passable these days. Can you clear content? Sure. Will it be hard to replace you with someone who has 40-50k? Not really if they are being serious about high performance.

And golding stuff out is cheap. Why be so proud about your purples?

Talking more about converting purple jewelry to gold than the gear. But I can hit 40K-50K with the purple body pieces so I don't see the need to gold it out. More of a cheap-o thing on my part. Stings to gold out a set then have it get nerfed.

I'd also disagree as to the average player hitting 10K. At least I hope the average player could hit at least 20K. 30K is where the vet trials and vet DLC damage begins. You should be able to do that with non-gold gear.

Bottom line, I don't care if someone golds out their gear. But I also don't find it to be a prerequisite to running something like vMOL.

I pull 40K with Valkyn/BSW/MS, but i have to say Zaan/Siroria/MS are making me God

Also, only Gold weapons, the rest is for rich people

Royaji wrote: »

For people who care about DPS (don't come at me with "but the average player!", I'm well aware that the average player struggles to hit 10k) 30k is barely passable these days. Can you clear content? Sure. Will it be hard to replace you with someone who has 40-50k? Not really if they are being serious about high performance.

And golding stuff out is cheap. Why be so proud about your purples?

Because the difference between purple and gold is NOT as huge as those like you want to have it. It is NOT the difference between 10k and 40k .. it's barely noticeable most of the time, 'golding' in ESO is like most other MMOS, a crutch for the less skilled while the highly skilled are clearing the content needed to GET the BiS gear in gear likely comparable at best with the 'purple' version.

KerinKor wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

For people who care about DPS (don't come at me with "but the average player!", I'm well aware that the average player struggles to hit 10k) 30k is barely passable these days. Can you clear content? Sure. Will it be hard to replace you with someone who has 40-50k? Not really if they are being serious about high performance.

And golding stuff out is cheap. Why be so proud about your purples?

Because the difference between purple and gold is NOT as huge as those like you want to have it. It is NOT the difference between 10k and 40k .. it's barely noticeable most of the time, 'golding' in ESO is like most other MMOS, a crutch for the less skilled while the highly skilled are clearing the content needed to GET the BiS gear in gear likely comparable at best with the 'purple' version.

Golding gear, particularly weapons, is worth thousands in dps. The weapons alone are worth a few thousands actually. This isnt just about a lack of skill or experience, its about simple game mechanics - if you dont have gold gear you wont pull as much dps as you otherwise would, regardless of how good or poor your rotation/skill is.

The majority of players, the vast majority I imagine, cannot afford gold gear, or just don't play enough or tackle hard enough content for this to be worth while. Nor can the majority of players access or afford to transmute traits on mass, again losing dps (and time and resources farming), until they can.

Crucially, the difference moving from low and mid CPs, to max CPs, is a huge uplift in DPS, again several thousand.

This is why its a tad arrogant and elitist to discount the vast majority of the player base with comments like "30k dps is barely passable".

Correcting all traits, golding gear, approaching max CPs... all with the same rotation, has helped increase my dps significantly, more than double in fact.

It is absolutely the case that my rotation has improved and this has added to a significant uplift in dps, but the main point is that gear makes a huge difference, as do CPs, and I tire of high CP, elitist players, looking down on the vast majority of the player base, average players, as if they should automatically be able to breark 30 or 40k DPS.

ps - the difference changing a gear set to a bis set, for the build and rotation you are using, is absolutely massive. Again, several thousand dps in some cases. Please do not listen to people who tell you that gear, gold, traits, enchants, cps, dont make a difference, because there are plenty that will variously argue these are not significant, but they are.

I agree and we need more people to step up and carry this banner. The internet is great for advice and guidance but one negative side effect of the access and culture is there is a whole mess of players who only think the game is playable in bis gear and 100k trial dummy parses. Fact is there are tens of hundreds of viable ways to play the game. Mechanics and basic setups are all that is needed for 95 percent of content... And even less dps than the OP's more than sufficient dps.

pelennor_fields wrote: »

I agree and we need more people to step up and carry this banner. The internet is great for advice and guidance but one negative side effect of the access and culture is there is a whole mess of players who only think the game is playable in bis gear and 100k trial dummy parses. Fact is there are tens of hundreds of viable ways to play the game. Mechanics and basic setups are all that is needed for 95 percent of content... And even less dps than the OP's more than sufficient dps.

I gave you an awesome for cheering me up ❤Well said 😊