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We shouldnt do pve stuff in inpen right?

festher
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hey - what do you PvPers do for set and builds when you need to do pve stuff to get pvp items?
i could use a decent magicka build with good traits for that stuff. maybe share it on my magdk, magblade and magden.

thoughts/ideas? just two set with divines? i plan a little black rose/vma/plegdes for pvp items :smile:

  • Vermintide
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    Spare sets and outfitter add on.

    You can do PVE in impen if you want to save a few thousand gold on the repair bill :wink:
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    Yea, multiple sets. You wouldn’t want to use the same sets anyways since there are few sets that are good in pve and pvp.

    If you’re just starting out you’re far better off using impen in pve then divines/infused in pvp.
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    LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
    Condemned and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
    Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten
  • wheem_ESO
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    I've done VMA and non-DLC vet dungeons (as healer) in Impen PvP gear. While you can certainly do better in a "real" PvE setup, I already have bag space issues and don't really like PvE enough to bother putting much effort into dedicated setups for it.
  • Heimpai
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    I use impen gear and do fine
  • VaranisArano
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    The only reason to use Impenetrable for PVE content is if you want to reduce the damage to your armor so you pay for repairs less often.

    PVE mobs and bosses can't critically hit, so that aspect of Impenetrable is only useful in PVP content.
  • idk
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    Multiple sets as has been said. However, you can still do your PvE stuff in inpen, you just will not be optimal. It is like Varanis said.
  • msalvia
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    Impen is useless in PvE, so you'll likely want to get two sets, at least...one for pve, one for pvp. It doesn't "hurt" you the same way running divines in pvp does, but it just does nothing at all the help you (aside from less repairing).

    If your goal is 4 person pve stuff, you have lots of options, but I'm a huge advocate for Vicious Ophidian (stam) and False God (mag). These sets are awesome in arenas (BRP, MA, DSA) and viable in all pve stuff. THey're also quite easy to get (VO is very easy to get, Imperfect false god also easy to get)by running normal trials.

    Plenty of other non-trial sets you can use for pve, but that's a different post :)

  • FrancisCrawford
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    If you do the math, PvE armor traits generally aren't very significant. That doesn't stop people, including me, from getting gear with good traits when practical. But if you don't want to go through the hassle, it's no big deal.
  • UppGRAYxDD
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    Transmutation is Beast in PvE...
    "Stendarr's mercy be upon you, for the vigil has none to spare."
  • festher
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    Thanks! Great info
  • InvictusApollo
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    festher wrote: »
    hey - what do you PvPers do for set and builds when you need to do pve stuff to get pvp items?
    i could use a decent magicka build with good traits for that stuff. maybe share it on my magdk, magblade and magden.

    thoughts/ideas? just two set with divines? i plan a little black rose/vma/plegdes for pvp items :smile:

    What?! Are you suggesting that we would use two different builds: one for pve and second one for pvp? That's crazy!
    We are using different builds for every type of content or even different bosses on a trial.
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    If you do the math, PvE armor traits generally aren't very significant. That doesn't stop people, including me, from getting gear with good traits when practical. But if you don't want to go through the hassle, it's no big deal.

    This is totally true. PvEers wear the traits they do because there’s nothing better. PvPers wear the traits they do because they absolutely need impen.

    If I could only have one gear set I’d use a pvp set.
    Edited by Iskiab on August 3, 2019 2:32PM
    Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
    Havoc Warhammer - Alair
    LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
    Condemned and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
    Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten
  • bigelle.x3_ESO
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    Vet hm in non dlc dungeons it doesnt really matter what you wear. Should probably try to maximize damage for dlc vet hm, arenas, and trials.
  • CompM4s
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    Depends, my pvp character is my main, but im not switching gear and cp just for questlines. For vet content I have dedicated pve characters.
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    CompM4s wrote: »
    Depends, my pvp character is my main, but im not switching gear and cp just for questlines. For vet content I have dedicated pve characters.

    My same playstyle - Main does quests and PVP, and I have dedicated PVE characters. Questing and Overland is fine in Impen.

    Main: (PvP & PvE)
    Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar, the Vestige

    PvP:
    Aurik Siet'ka a Redguard Necromancer
    Cacique the Sage of Ius a Redguard Warden
    Jux Blackheart a Redguard Nightblade
    Goliath of Hammerfell a Redguard Dragonknight
    Kaotik Von Dae'mon a Redguard* Sorcerer

    PvP: (Specialty)
    Tyrus Septim an Imperial Lycan Sorcerer
    Tsar af-Bomba a Redguard Vampiric Nightblade
    Movárth Piquine a Nord Vampiric Necromancer
    Uri Ice-Heart the Twin a Nord Vampiric Warden

    PvE:
    Cinan Tharn an Imperial Dragonknight
    Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar an Imperial Dragonknight
    Herzog Zwei the Genesis an Akavari* Templar
    Tav'i at-Shinji a Redguard** Warden
    Lucky Hunch the Gambler - a Redguard Nightblade

    Leveling...
    Zenovia at-Tura a Redguard** Sorcerer
    Yesi af-Kalik a Redguard Templar
    Voa a Priest of Sep a Redguard* Necromancer
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    Passives of another race used. (RP)
    *Breton
    **Imperial




    __________________________Backstories:_________________________

    Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.

    Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.

    Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...

    Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.

    Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.

    The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.

    The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.

    Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.

    Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)

    And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.

    After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.

    After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...

    Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.

    Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.

    {time moves forward through the hour-glass}
    PS5/NA - Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar - Daggerfall Covenant • 1550+ Champion

  • exeeter702
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    festher wrote: »
    hey - what do you PvPers do for set and builds when you need to do pve stuff to get pvp items?
    i could use a decent magicka build with good traits for that stuff. maybe share it on my magdk, magblade and magden.

    thoughts/ideas? just two set with divines? i plan a little black rose/vma/plegdes for pvp items :smile:

    Anyone who fully plays the game will be swimming in pve gear sets you can throw on for pve endeavors.
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    Make yourself a set of Julianos or Hunding's, run some pug craglorns/sunspires for False God or Vicious Ophidian and you've got a setup that will keep you topped off, easy.

    Also, Impen does have a use, albeit a very niche one in PvE, mainly for XP grinding. Armor degradation is directly tied to XP gain, so if you're getting massive amounts of XP you're also degrading your armor faster. Like I said, it's niche but it'll help wiith repair costs if you're too cheap to carry around Repair Kits.
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    If you're a mag spec and you're just starting out in PvE, farm up a set of Mother's Sorrow from Deshaan (or craft a set of Mechanical Acuity) and make yourself a set of Julianos, all divines on the body. Go with the Shadow Mundus. Get yourself a Grothdar monster set (for add pulls). You'll be totally set and should be able to take on most 4 person content. Blackrose Prison is pretty easy on normal, but fair warning...it's a beast on vet. You need a really solid rotation with high dmg output, a really solid tank, and you will want to look up some videos and maybe a player guide. It gets easier with reps, but it can be overwhelming at first.
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  • SugaComa
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    Julianos all devine I have multiple weapon / jewelry sets I can mix pve I tend drop into mother's sorrow with the julianos and I pick a monster set I fancy using ... Most pve content fur farming is way easy so you don't need much
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    I've cleared all but the latest two vet HM dungeons in PvP gear with ease on stamplar and magplar. But I have several thousand hours of play time on the class and a lot of experience in instanced PvE.

    As noted above, carrying an alternate gear set is the ideal option... an alternate armor set, even a copy of your PvP armor set with Infused/Divines traits, will do the trick until you can run the content blindfolded. You're only fighting against programmed robots, after all, so mechanics knowledge trumps everything.
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    traits make very little difference in pve for dps, impen is fine unless you're doing hardmode trials or something. plenty of content is cleared with people in sub optimal traits on most of their gear too.
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  • fred4
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    It depends on the build. For example my PvP magplar with Overwhelming Surge and Amber Plasm is perfect for vMA with a minimum of skill changes. Even the stam sustain comes in handy at times. On the other hand, my Caluurion magblade would need a complete gear and skill change for PvE. Since I only care about PvP, I usually just take the templar for farming arenas and DLC dungeons. Yeah, the gear is impen. Who cares.
    Edited by fred4 on August 12, 2019 1:05AM
    PC EU (EP): Magicka NB (main), Stamina NB, Stamina DK, Stamina Sorcerer, Magicka Warden, Magicka Templar, Stamina Templar
    PC NA (EP): Magicka NB
  • merevie
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    If you wear divine in Imperial City you should wear impen in Cloudrest.
  • FangOfTheTwoMoons
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    ecru wrote: »
    traits make very little difference in pve for dps, impen is fine unless you're doing hardmode trials or something. plenty of content is cleared with people in sub optimal traits on most of their gear too.

    Please don't encourage this.

    I'd say anything other than impen can work. In all reality nothing beats divines for armor traits for dps in PvE. You will see a significant DPS loss if you're wearing impen. I'd say if whatever you're wearing can get you to 20k-25k dps you can do most content in the game. Probably all the Non DLC Vet HM's bar VCOA2 and VBC2. It will be very difficult to beat a VDLC dungeon with sub optimal gear and finding a group to run them will be even harder, unless you have friends/guildies that will help you slosh through it.

    For Stam Hundings/VO works fine.
    For Mag FGD/Julianos will work fine.

    If you don't wanna run Normal Trails and just wanna craft some easy items Ashen Grip/Seducer can replace those trial sets I guess (not sure if any other good crafted alternatives may wanna look it up).
  • ecru
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    ecru wrote: »
    traits make very little difference in pve for dps, impen is fine unless you're doing hardmode trials or something. plenty of content is cleared with people in sub optimal traits on most of their gear too.

    Please don't encourage this.

    I'd say anything other than impen can work. In all reality nothing beats divines for armor traits for dps in PvE. You will see a significant DPS loss if you're wearing impen. I'd say if whatever you're wearing can get you to 20k-25k dps you can do most content in the game. Probably all the Non DLC Vet HM's bar VCOA2 and VBC2. It will be very difficult to beat a VDLC dungeon with sub optimal gear and finding a group to run them will be even harder, unless you have friends/guildies that will help you slosh through it.

    For Stam Hundings/VO works fine.
    For Mag FGD/Julianos will work fine.

    If you don't wanna run Normal Trails and just wanna craft some easy items Ashen Grip/Seducer can replace those trial sets I guess (not sure if any other good crafted alternatives may wanna look it up).

    i wasn't suggesting gear wasn't important, just that the traits aren't that important. the difference between full divines and full impen in terms of dps is like a few percent.
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  • universal_wrath
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    wheem_ESO wrote: »
    I've done VMA and non-DLC vet dungeons (as healer) in Impen PvP gear. While you can certainly do better in a "real" PvE setup, I already have bag space issues and don't really like PvE enough to bother putting much effort into dedicated setups for it.

    I healed vet trials with heavy impen tanky set on my healer, no issues at all. As far as I'm concernd, I use same pvp healer to do pve DLC dungeonn and achievments as well as trials(never tried hm on trials though) content without changing my gears, only few skills here and there.

    As far as I know, pve healing is the easiest part of eso if you run with decent groups who don't stand in red circles. Hardest lart is healing pvp groups and not only 1 person, I mainly do BG for PVP, not much cyrodiil. Have been healing after 1 year of game being launched, but I mai stamsorc in both pvp and pve.
  • HowlKimchi
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    Well if you're starting out and you prefer pvp or pve, just focus on getting impenetrable well rounded stat-giving sets. You'll be okay farming gear using them in pve.
    previously @HaruKamui but I outgrew my weeb phase (probably)

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  • iRaivyne
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    My StamBlade uses impen gear unless I'm doing a DLC vet dungeon, arena, or trial... Hundings and Briarheart is fine if I need to switch gear. I do have a the "meta sets", but outside of tank and spank bosses, they don't seem to add all that much anyway.
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