Saril_Durzam wrote: »Saril_Durzam wrote: »Saril_Durzam wrote: »Humm dont get it. So you need to heal others first before getting the heal? It´s a lame heal, it would work only in Sorc healers who will be really far from meta.
TBh, i´d rather change Power Surge.
TWo morphs, one for stamina, other for magicka
No Major Brutality/Sorcery, rather some resource sustains (stamina/magicka) every time you crit, and some heal aswell.
Numbers could be around 2-2,5k health and 100 magicka/Stamina.
This would work as selfheal and more important, some sustain to a class that really needs it.
No, Major Sorcery/Brutality needs to remain on the skill, because it allows for diversity in PVP and, if someone doesn't want to run weapon/spell power potions, PVE. Look at stamDK, stamplar, stamblade or stamcro which don't have good sources of Major Brutality, they're pigeonholed into running 2H or weapon power pots for such a simple buff, while stamsorc can run Crit Surge, making DW/bow viable.
Entrophy already gives it, and believe me, you will be using all the time, on Stamina and Magicka.
So, which morph of Entropy gives Major Brutality, again?
EDIT: Also, no stamina builds would ever use Entropy. Unlike the new Soul Trap, Entropy's DOT doesn't use your max resource, it just uses max magicka and spell damage. It'll hit very low for stamina, and stamina is going to have to juggle the new Soul Trap with their low max magicka pool.
Just need to adapt Entrophy so it gives Major Brutality and scales with Stamina aswell. I cannot understand why ZoS dont make general skill true general skills.
Because then there's no point in having all these skills. Build diversity gets thrown out the window, for pretty much no reason. While I do think stamina needs a decent generic source of Major Brutality that isn't tied to a particular weapon, I don't think shoehorning it into Entropy is a good idea.
They need to be careful or they will make this skill to op. 33 seconds is a long time for a Aoe heal that travels with the the player. No other Aoe last that long outside of altars and they are stationary. Which means you don't have to waste GCD and resources recasting it.
It's hard to take your comments and suggestions seriously when they have little interest for any other role but DD. Just because Sorc Healers are behind, doesn't mean ZOS should forget about them and only focus on DDs. Power Surge change is coming whether you like it or not and their intention is clear, but half baked, thus why I created a suggestion based on how it could function with their idea in mind. There are a ton of other things I'd change about Sorc's, but that isn't the point of this thread.Saril_Durzam wrote: »What Sorcs healers need?
The idea that Sorc healers may be competitive in serious content.
Cmon, half the forums are expressing that even classes with real healing skill lines like Warden or Templar wont be useful anymore, and we do care about Sorc healers, who were bad healers and unwanted healers before the patch?
Sorc healers got what they needed. Vigor. So now Sorc healers can dedicate to what they´re supposed to do well, smelt faces.
Marshall1289 wrote: »It's hard to take your comments and suggestions seriously when they have little interest for any other role but DD. Just because Sorc Healers are behind, doesn't mean ZOS should forget about them and only focus on DDs. Power Surge change is coming whether you like it or not and their intention is clear, but half baked, thus why I created a suggestion based on how it could function with their idea in mind. There are a ton of other things I'd change about Sorc's, but that isn't the point of this thread.Saril_Durzam wrote: »What Sorcs healers need?
The idea that Sorc healers may be competitive in serious content.
Cmon, half the forums are expressing that even classes with real healing skill lines like Warden or Templar wont be useful anymore, and we do care about Sorc healers, who were bad healers and unwanted healers before the patch?
Sorc healers got what they needed. Vigor. So now Sorc healers can dedicate to what they´re supposed to do well, smelt faces.
The fact that you think a Sorc Healer has a hot because of Echoing Vigor shows how much you care.
Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »They need to be careful or they will make this skill to op. 33 seconds is a long time for a Aoe heal that travels with the the player. No other Aoe last that long outside of altars and they are stationary. Which means you don't have to waste GCD and resources recasting it.
Maybe they should turn power surge into a weaker ground aoe Version of surge instead. However, I‘m not an experienced healer so I can‘t really tell if that is what sorc healers need.
Saril_Durzam wrote: »Marshall1289 wrote: »It's hard to take your comments and suggestions seriously when they have little interest for any other role but DD. Just because Sorc Healers are behind, doesn't mean ZOS should forget about them and only focus on DDs. Power Surge change is coming whether you like it or not and their intention is clear, but half baked, thus why I created a suggestion based on how it could function with their idea in mind. There are a ton of other things I'd change about Sorc's, but that isn't the point of this thread.Saril_Durzam wrote: »What Sorcs healers need?
The idea that Sorc healers may be competitive in serious content.
Cmon, half the forums are expressing that even classes with real healing skill lines like Warden or Templar wont be useful anymore, and we do care about Sorc healers, who were bad healers and unwanted healers before the patch?
Sorc healers got what they needed. Vigor. So now Sorc healers can dedicate to what they´re supposed to do well, smelt faces.
The fact that you think a Sorc Healer has a hot because of Echoing Vigor shows how much you care.
Listen. My main is a healer and I love healing, but considering the state of the game, of the healing and of the Sorcerer class, it would be naive to try to get now a very little buff for Sorc healers.
Healers are dead, and no Templar or Warden healers are more than dead. Its not anything i want but the game its how it is.
Are you playing a Sorc healer? You will not after the patch, unless you do on pugs who care zero, on easy content where another DD would be way more useful, or with friends. Its a statement. You will hindrance your party if you do.
Futhermore, magSorc DDs will also be lacking in some aspects which will make them less desirable than ever. The class will be behind many classes.
If i have to buff one aspect of the Sorc, I will do magsorc DD. Im sorry if you play healer. I al really sorry. And ofc i will not want you on my trials or group content. Wish this didnt happen but we are on a dire time and the class need better sustain, self healing and survability to be toying with subpar specs.
If you want, present a full tool of sorc skills to make sorc healers fine to play. I will applaud it.
PS: im not the only want to not to want your change. Check the poll, you have few support. Im making the effort of explaining the reasoks why its not a good idea.
Marshall1289 wrote: »Saril_Durzam wrote: »Marshall1289 wrote: »It's hard to take your comments and suggestions seriously when they have little interest for any other role but DD. Just because Sorc Healers are behind, doesn't mean ZOS should forget about them and only focus on DDs. Power Surge change is coming whether you like it or not and their intention is clear, but half baked, thus why I created a suggestion based on how it could function with their idea in mind. There are a ton of other things I'd change about Sorc's, but that isn't the point of this thread.Saril_Durzam wrote: »What Sorcs healers need?
The idea that Sorc healers may be competitive in serious content.
Cmon, half the forums are expressing that even classes with real healing skill lines like Warden or Templar wont be useful anymore, and we do care about Sorc healers, who were bad healers and unwanted healers before the patch?
Sorc healers got what they needed. Vigor. So now Sorc healers can dedicate to what they´re supposed to do well, smelt faces.
The fact that you think a Sorc Healer has a hot because of Echoing Vigor shows how much you care.
Listen. My main is a healer and I love healing, but considering the state of the game, of the healing and of the Sorcerer class, it would be naive to try to get now a very little buff for Sorc healers.
Healers are dead, and no Templar or Warden healers are more than dead. Its not anything i want but the game its how it is.
Are you playing a Sorc healer? You will not after the patch, unless you do on pugs who care zero, on easy content where another DD would be way more useful, or with friends. Its a statement. You will hindrance your party if you do.
Futhermore, magSorc DDs will also be lacking in some aspects which will make them less desirable than ever. The class will be behind many classes.
If i have to buff one aspect of the Sorc, I will do magsorc DD. Im sorry if you play healer. I al really sorry. And ofc i will not want you on my trials or group content. Wish this didnt happen but we are on a dire time and the class need better sustain, self healing and survability to be toying with subpar specs.
If you want, present a full tool of sorc skills to make sorc healers fine to play. I will applaud it.
PS: im not the only want to not to want your change. Check the poll, you have few support. Im making the effort of explaining the reasoks why its not a good idea.
I'll have to agree to disagree then. I do not believe in forgetting 1 aspect of the class to focus on another. It's bad enough that out of 30 class skills (many morphs completely unused), 6 ultimate's and 12 passives for Sorc's, most of them designed for Magicka Sorc's which is design relic of the original game design. The game has changed over time and the class needs a complete overhaul, but once again, completely besides the point of my thread.
The fact that people don't overwhelmingly agree doesn't bother me, because people like yourself don't agree with the idea of Power Surge being for healers at all, thus a lot of the Nay's I've seen so far. I would of went a completely different direction with giving Sorc healers a useful hot instead of Power Surge.
Saril_Durzam wrote: »Marshall1289 wrote: »Saril_Durzam wrote: »Marshall1289 wrote: »It's hard to take your comments and suggestions seriously when they have little interest for any other role but DD. Just because Sorc Healers are behind, doesn't mean ZOS should forget about them and only focus on DDs. Power Surge change is coming whether you like it or not and their intention is clear, but half baked, thus why I created a suggestion based on how it could function with their idea in mind. There are a ton of other things I'd change about Sorc's, but that isn't the point of this thread.Saril_Durzam wrote: »What Sorcs healers need?
The idea that Sorc healers may be competitive in serious content.
Cmon, half the forums are expressing that even classes with real healing skill lines like Warden or Templar wont be useful anymore, and we do care about Sorc healers, who were bad healers and unwanted healers before the patch?
Sorc healers got what they needed. Vigor. So now Sorc healers can dedicate to what they´re supposed to do well, smelt faces.
The fact that you think a Sorc Healer has a hot because of Echoing Vigor shows how much you care.
Listen. My main is a healer and I love healing, but considering the state of the game, of the healing and of the Sorcerer class, it would be naive to try to get now a very little buff for Sorc healers.
Healers are dead, and no Templar or Warden healers are more than dead. Its not anything i want but the game its how it is.
Are you playing a Sorc healer? You will not after the patch, unless you do on pugs who care zero, on easy content where another DD would be way more useful, or with friends. Its a statement. You will hindrance your party if you do.
Futhermore, magSorc DDs will also be lacking in some aspects which will make them less desirable than ever. The class will be behind many classes.
If i have to buff one aspect of the Sorc, I will do magsorc DD. Im sorry if you play healer. I al really sorry. And ofc i will not want you on my trials or group content. Wish this didnt happen but we are on a dire time and the class need better sustain, self healing and survability to be toying with subpar specs.
If you want, present a full tool of sorc skills to make sorc healers fine to play. I will applaud it.
PS: im not the only want to not to want your change. Check the poll, you have few support. Im making the effort of explaining the reasoks why its not a good idea.
I'll have to agree to disagree then. I do not believe in forgetting 1 aspect of the class to focus on another. It's bad enough that out of 30 class skills (many morphs completely unused), 6 ultimate's and 12 passives for Sorc's, most of them designed for Magicka Sorc's which is design relic of the original game design. The game has changed over time and the class needs a complete overhaul, but once again, completely besides the point of my thread.
The fact that people don't overwhelmingly agree doesn't bother me, because people like yourself don't agree with the idea of Power Surge being for healers at all, thus a lot of the Nay's I've seen so far. I would of went a completely different direction with giving Sorc healers a useful hot instead of Power Surge.
Well, that happens with first classes. From Warden, one skill line goes for damage, other for healing and other for tanking. Sure, it would be great if that would change but has been stated that isnt going to happen.
So leave with Sorc being what it is, the same as DK, as NB or as Templar.
Saril_Durzam wrote: »Youre not disagreeing with me, youre doing it with ZoS.
If you dont play sorc healer, dont worry, almost noone does. Still, i dont understand why you try to do this then.Makes few sense to me.
The current PTS change for surge is too strong. It gives yet another reason to not have a healer, just have a sorc with surge running in group doing damage and get passive 2-3K heals a second, b/c you will crit that often with all your damage.
They should tie one morph to healing only crits, this makes it not useless for a dps to try and offer bonus heals if they want, as they can vigor or throw rune down for a change to crit heal, but wont' be a constant proc every second you crit. And will be a huge healing bonus for an actual healer - which is what a sorc healer wants when they ask for healing for sorcs (not the ability for any sorc DD to do their job). But a healer using this version would have a variety of heals going out and have multiple chances to constantly proc it.
It should also center on whoever recieves the crit heal and not the caster, This again would make it benefit a healer and probably not have a huge effect on if a DD tried to use it.
But leave the other morph as the selfish version to proc on all crit damage and be a good self heal, have it buff both magicka builds and stam builds.
Of course, these ideas make it balanced and not OP, so some won't like that.