noone uses crystal frags as spammable...it's used as a damage-procc like the NBs spectral bow...actually puncture strike with all their passive are the second best spamable skill after crystal frag especially in pvp.
feelsweirdman the pretending
Sweeps can outdamage other spammable IF you don't have any other source of burning light....but spear shards are too strong to give up.
On top of that you will have to use lightning destro for max-DPS with sweeps, but for max-overall-DPS fire-destro is in general better...
edit:noone uses crystal frags as spammable...it's used as a damage-procc like the NBs spectral bow...actually puncture strike with all their passive are the second best spamable skill after crystal frag especially in pvp.
feelsweirdman the pretending
No_Division wrote: »Sweeps can outdamage other spammable IF you don't have any other source of burning light....but spear shards are too strong to give up.
On top of that you will have to use lightning destro for max-DPS with sweeps, but for max-overall-DPS fire-destro is in general better...
edit:noone uses crystal frags as spammable...it's used as a damage-procc like the NBs spectral bow...actually puncture strike with all their passive are the second best spamable skill after crystal frag especially in pvp.
feelsweirdman the pretending
Didn't the full parses by end game raiders prefer ele weapon and blazing spear over jabs?
actually puncture strike with all their passive are the second best spamable skill after crystal frag especially in pvp.
feelsweirdman the pretending
Marshall1289 wrote: »Jabs on live server is severly punnished by latency. I have many friends that have stop play their stamplar due to the fact that the class defining ability does not even hit the target. Last night on several occassion standing infront of guards 3 rounds of jabs and only 2 jabs landed. I had to light attact the guard to death.
It hits well enough for me even with the poor server performance and when you have your enemy stunned it melts. Templars just love to keep saying this ability is bad when it really isn’t...
Uh...when the server performance is poor the skill doesn't even fire and/or doesn't do damage...
This issue applies to literally everything though not just Jabs.
You're not understanding what they're trying to say, lag hurts the ability more than most skills in the game because it's channeled, conal, and requires aim.
Another channeled ability like Flurry can be cast on a target and you can run away from them, as long as you are within melee range, the damage still persists. Since Jabs has a weird hitbox, you can los it easily which is highly affected by latency of both players.
Either way, this is a single target channeled ability with a cleave element. It should not be treated as an aoe, it already has enough lowering it's effectiveness, to treat it as 30% weaker than any other spammable would completely destroy what little it has left.. There are many skills in the game zos considers "rule breakers" so this could be one of them for all we know.
What is there to not understand? They're saying they're missing their Jabs / Sweeps due to lag and I'm saying everyone else is missing their abilities due to lag as well.They're trying to make it seem like Jabs / Sweeps is some kind of unreliable ability which is far from the truth since it procs many good passives and deals insane damage especially to builds which aren't using evasion.
No_Division wrote: »Sweeps can outdamage other spammable IF you don't have any other source of burning light....but spear shards are too strong to give up.
On top of that you will have to use lightning destro for max-DPS with sweeps, but for max-overall-DPS fire-destro is in general better...
edit:noone uses crystal frags as spammable...it's used as a damage-procc like the NBs spectral bow...actually puncture strike with all their passive are the second best spamable skill after crystal frag especially in pvp.
feelsweirdman the pretending
Didn't the full parses by end game raiders prefer ele weapon and blazing spear over jabs?
They do. I tried a lot to make to make sweeps work in raid. But best I could get was to be nearly on par in static fights. Ele-weapon offers much more flexibility while doing the same same if not even more dps. Blazing spear is without a doubt the best dot a Templar has, even in the next patch, so you'll always use it.
The damage from sweeps is pretty comparable to other skills that are properly weaved.
this is not true, it can be weaved about 95% as fast as an ability without a cast time if you're competent. i almost never touch my magplar either so i don't have a ton of experience with the ability. also, jabs is almost 20% of a stamplar's dummy parse.
All I was saying was that sweeps doesn't vastly outdamage other spammables, which I think weave slightly better
FlamingBeard wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »IronWooshu wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »IronWooshu wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »IronWooshu wrote: »GeorgeBlack wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »GeorgeBlack wrote: »
BECAUSE OF THE NATURE WITH HOW THE SKILL IS USED. ITS BALANCED BY SINGLE TARGET CHANNELS, BUT WITH AN AOE COMPONENT AS A "PERK" TO USING IT. THE AOE COMPONENT IS NOT THOUGHT FOR MOST PVP, AND IT'S ONLY IN PVE THAT'S THE AOE IS DECENT
Dont scream angry little fellow.
AoE is def not a perk.
Tell that to NB who try to cloak away.
My stamplar mate melts people in bgs with jabs.
The AOE damage is half of what the single target gets.. c'mon man.... think
the closest target takes 2.57 times the damage of the targets in the aoe. way more than half.
If your spear deals 1612 to the closest enemy that means the enemies around them takes 625. Why are you arguing for me quoting me like I am wrong?
Already this skill is under performing to their AOE standards and is weaker than Liquid Lightning etc.
625 is not "half" of 1612, it is 39%. you are wrong. LL is not an aoe spammable, that skill is a ground based aoe dot. no idea what is make you compare them. the closest thing to sweeps is sap essence, heals and damage. but even that is not perfect, the closest target for sweeps takes double the damage of sap(if all 4 sweeps hits land) and the aoe of does 78% of the damage of sap(if all 4 sweeps land). meaning you need 4 targets for sap to start to do more average damage of sweep. 5 total targets if you count a proc of burning light to 1 or 2 of the targets.
You are literally going to go out of your way over what I said being half as I took an estimate to be precise at 39% while taking some high horse stand. LoL
I literally in all your posts have no idea what you are even arguing, OP wants to nerf Sweeps because it's an AOE and not following their AOE standards.
Are you for or against that? If you understood the entire convo instead of trying to get picky over an estimation rather then the precise number and ignore the context then so be it. I guess people need to make up for where they lack elsewhere somehow.
for or against what? the op has been shown they are wrong in their thought process and you have too.
and you got me, i make forum posts cause my pee pee is small.
OP is trying to get Jabs/Sweep nerfed due to its AoE damage being apparently "too good" for AoE standards but not realizing it deals low AoE damage, as most of its tooltip is focused into the closest enemy you are hitting and essentially makes Jabs/Sweeps a single-target spammable DoT which happens to have a negligible AoE DoT that actually wastes Burning Light procs on targets you aren't focusing in many instances.
I believe the person you are replying to is simply using Liquid Lightning as an example of what strong AoE DoT looks like compared to the weak AoE DoT of Jabs/Sweep which must be channeled and is mostly used as a single-target focused damage skill in the first palce.
The damage from sweeps is pretty comparable to other skills that are properly weaved.
this is not true, it can be weaved about 95% as fast as an ability without a cast time if you're competent. i almost never touch my magplar either so i don't have a ton of experience with the ability. also, jabs is almost 20% of a stamplar's dummy parse.
All I was saying was that sweeps doesn't vastly outdamage other spammables, which I think weave slightly better
lol
the parse wasn't supposed to be indicative of it's damage, i have no idea what gear i was even wearing when i did that. the point was that because it does 40% more damage than most other spammables, it does actually vastly out damage other spammables because it can be weaved nearly as fast.
Sweeps are just noobs 1st spammable skill when playing under level 50.
Only noobs use them for high cp, ì agree that this skill is a waste of slot as there many better weapon and guild spammables.
Nerf or delete sweeps it doesn't matter anymore as this skill is only useful against coward nightblade when they stealth
No_Division wrote: »No_Division wrote: »Sweeps can outdamage other spammable IF you don't have any other source of burning light....but spear shards are too strong to give up.
On top of that you will have to use lightning destro for max-DPS with sweeps, but for max-overall-DPS fire-destro is in general better...
edit:noone uses crystal frags as spammable...it's used as a damage-procc like the NBs spectral bow...actually puncture strike with all their passive are the second best spamable skill after crystal frag especially in pvp.
feelsweirdman the pretending
Didn't the full parses by end game raiders prefer ele weapon and blazing spear over jabs?
They do. I tried a lot to make to make sweeps work in raid. But best I could get was to be nearly on par in static fights. Ele-weapon offers much more flexibility while doing the same same if not even more dps. Blazing spear is without a doubt the best dot a Templar has, even in the next patch, so you'll always use it.
Thank you. I hate the tooltip warriors suggesting otherwise.
No_Division wrote: »No_Division wrote: »Sweeps can outdamage other spammable IF you don't have any other source of burning light....but spear shards are too strong to give up.
On top of that you will have to use lightning destro for max-DPS with sweeps, but for max-overall-DPS fire-destro is in general better...
edit:noone uses crystal frags as spammable...it's used as a damage-procc like the NBs spectral bow...actually puncture strike with all their passive are the second best spamable skill after crystal frag especially in pvp.
feelsweirdman the pretending
Didn't the full parses by end game raiders prefer ele weapon and blazing spear over jabs?
They do. I tried a lot to make to make sweeps work in raid. But best I could get was to be nearly on par in static fights. Ele-weapon offers much more flexibility while doing the same same if not even more dps. Blazing spear is without a doubt the best dot a Templar has, even in the next patch, so you'll always use it.
Thank you. I hate the tooltip warriors suggesting otherwise.
It's funny how none of these tooltip warriors have posted any proof of sweeps actually doing more damage.
I stand by what I said before. When weaving other spammables sweeps with a long channel time doesn't weave as fast. In addition sweeps does best damage on a lightning staff while light attacks are best on a flame staff so you have to compromise one way or the other. So far one person posted a parse that showed sweeps doesn't do more damage in fact a bit less. So waiting to see if anyone else has something to post.
No_Division wrote: »No_Division wrote: »No_Division wrote: »Sweeps can outdamage other spammable IF you don't have any other source of burning light....but spear shards are too strong to give up.
On top of that you will have to use lightning destro for max-DPS with sweeps, but for max-overall-DPS fire-destro is in general better...
edit:noone uses crystal frags as spammable...it's used as a damage-procc like the NBs spectral bow...actually puncture strike with all their passive are the second best spamable skill after crystal frag especially in pvp.
feelsweirdman the pretending
Didn't the full parses by end game raiders prefer ele weapon and blazing spear over jabs?
They do. I tried a lot to make to make sweeps work in raid. But best I could get was to be nearly on par in static fights. Ele-weapon offers much more flexibility while doing the same same if not even more dps. Blazing spear is without a doubt the best dot a Templar has, even in the next patch, so you'll always use it.
Thank you. I hate the tooltip warriors suggesting otherwise.
It's funny how none of these tooltip warriors have posted any proof of sweeps actually doing more damage.
I stand by what I said before. When weaving other spammables sweeps with a long channel time doesn't weave as fast. In addition sweeps does best damage on a lightning staff while light attacks are best on a flame staff so you have to compromise one way or the other. So far one person posted a parse that showed sweeps doesn't do more damage in fact a bit less. So waiting to see if anyone else has something to post.
The end game raiders in the class discord already posted their numbers and even they say Templar is still bottom barrel with jabs unslotted.
The damage from sweeps is pretty comparable to other skills that are properly weaved.
this is not true, it can be weaved about 95% as fast as an ability without a cast time if you're competent. i almost never touch my magplar either so i don't have a ton of experience with the ability. also, jabs is almost 20% of a stamplar's dummy parse.
All I was saying was that sweeps doesn't vastly outdamage other spammables, which I think weave slightly better
lol
the parse wasn't supposed to be indicative of it's damage, i have no idea what gear i was even wearing when i did that. the point was that because it does 40% more damage than most other spammables, it does actually vastly out damage other spammables because it can be weaved nearly as fast.
Where's the 40% difference? Put on your best gear and see if you do 40% more
The damage from sweeps is pretty comparable to other skills that are properly weaved.
this is not true, it can be weaved about 95% as fast as an ability without a cast time if you're competent. i almost never touch my magplar either so i don't have a ton of experience with the ability. also, jabs is almost 20% of a stamplar's dummy parse.
All I was saying was that sweeps doesn't vastly outdamage other spammables, which I think weave slightly better
lol
the parse wasn't supposed to be indicative of it's damage, i have no idea what gear i was even wearing when i did that. the point was that because it does 40% more damage than most other spammables, it does actually vastly out damage other spammables because it can be weaved nearly as fast.
Where's the 40% difference? Put on your best gear and see if you do 40% more
ability a does 40% more damage than ability b
ability a can be weaved 95% as fast as ability b
how much more damage does ability a do than ability b?
well??????????????????????///////////////???????????//////
lol.
No_Division wrote: »The damage from sweeps is pretty comparable to other skills that are properly weaved.
this is not true, it can be weaved about 95% as fast as an ability without a cast time if you're competent. i almost never touch my magplar either so i don't have a ton of experience with the ability. also, jabs is almost 20% of a stamplar's dummy parse.
All I was saying was that sweeps doesn't vastly outdamage other spammables, which I think weave slightly better
lol
the parse wasn't supposed to be indicative of it's damage, i have no idea what gear i was even wearing when i did that. the point was that because it does 40% more damage than most other spammables, it does actually vastly out damage other spammables because it can be weaved nearly as fast.
Where's the 40% difference? Put on your best gear and see if you do 40% more
ability a does 40% more damage than ability b
ability a can be weaved 95% as fast as ability b
how much more damage does ability a do than ability b?
well??????????????????????///////////////???????????//////
lol.
post your raid parse lol
The damage from sweeps is pretty comparable to other skills that are properly weaved.
this is not true, it can be weaved about 95% as fast as an ability without a cast time if you're competent. i almost never touch my magplar either so i don't have a ton of experience with the ability. also, jabs is almost 20% of a stamplar's dummy parse.
All I was saying was that sweeps doesn't vastly outdamage other spammables, which I think weave slightly better
lol
the parse wasn't supposed to be indicative of it's damage, i have no idea what gear i was even wearing when i did that. the point was that because it does 40% more damage than most other spammables, it does actually vastly out damage other spammables because it can be weaved nearly as fast.
Where's the 40% difference? Put on your best gear and see if you do 40% more
ability a does 40% more damage than ability b
ability a can be weaved 95% as fast as ability b
how much more damage does ability a do than ability b?
well??????????????????????///////////////???????????//////
lol.
No_Division wrote: »The damage from sweeps is pretty comparable to other skills that are properly weaved.
this is not true, it can be weaved about 95% as fast as an ability without a cast time if you're competent. i almost never touch my magplar either so i don't have a ton of experience with the ability. also, jabs is almost 20% of a stamplar's dummy parse.
All I was saying was that sweeps doesn't vastly outdamage other spammables, which I think weave slightly better
lol
the parse wasn't supposed to be indicative of it's damage, i have no idea what gear i was even wearing when i did that. the point was that because it does 40% more damage than most other spammables, it does actually vastly out damage other spammables because it can be weaved nearly as fast.
Where's the 40% difference? Put on your best gear and see if you do 40% more
ability a does 40% more damage than ability b
ability a can be weaved 95% as fast as ability b
how much more damage does ability a do than ability b?
well??????????????????????///////////////???????????//////
lol.
post your raid parse lol
basic math is apparently really hard.
763 - base damage of ele weapon
1196 - base damage of puncturing sweep, which is 56% more damage
i'm sorry that you can't weave the ability properly, but other people can and the fact that you personally (or other people in this thread) need a crutch to stand on to make it work doesn't mean that an ability is bad, it just means that you're bad at using it.
there are reasons not to use it (like the fact that it's melee, or it's high cost making it difficult to sustain), but if it was ranged, or if it had a lower cost, or if it wasn't a channel (or all three), it would probably have to do about 40% less damage than it does now, like every other spammable in the game.
sweep/jabs had it's cast time reduced by 100ms and the 200ms delay after casting a channeled ability was removed, making it 300ms faster, with no change in damage. some of you need to go hit a dummy for awhile and learn how your own abilities actually work.
The damage from sweeps is pretty comparable to other skills that are properly weaved.
this is not true, it can be weaved about 95% as fast as an ability without a cast time if you're competent. i almost never touch my magplar either so i don't have a ton of experience with the ability. also, jabs is almost 20% of a stamplar's dummy parse.
All I was saying was that sweeps doesn't vastly outdamage other spammables, which I think weave slightly better
lol
the parse wasn't supposed to be indicative of it's damage, i have no idea what gear i was even wearing when i did that. the point was that because it does 40% more damage than most other spammables, it does actually vastly out damage other spammables because it can be weaved nearly as fast.
Where's the 40% difference? Put on your best gear and see if you do 40% more
ability a does 40% more damage than ability b
ability a can be weaved 95% as fast as ability b
how much more damage does ability a do than ability b?
well??????????????????????///////////////???????????//////
lol.
Prove this with a parse you haven't proved anythingNo_Division wrote: »The damage from sweeps is pretty comparable to other skills that are properly weaved.
this is not true, it can be weaved about 95% as fast as an ability without a cast time if you're competent. i almost never touch my magplar either so i don't have a ton of experience with the ability. also, jabs is almost 20% of a stamplar's dummy parse.
All I was saying was that sweeps doesn't vastly outdamage other spammables, which I think weave slightly better
lol
the parse wasn't supposed to be indicative of it's damage, i have no idea what gear i was even wearing when i did that. the point was that because it does 40% more damage than most other spammables, it does actually vastly out damage other spammables because it can be weaved nearly as fast.
Where's the 40% difference? Put on your best gear and see if you do 40% more
ability a does 40% more damage than ability b
ability a can be weaved 95% as fast as ability b
how much more damage does ability a do than ability b?
well??????????????????????///////////////???????????//////
lol.
post your raid parse lol
basic math is apparently really hard.
763 - base damage of ele weapon
1196 - base damage of puncturing sweep, which is 56% more damage
i'm sorry that you can't weave the ability properly, but other people can and the fact that you personally (or other people in this thread) need a crutch to stand on to make it work doesn't mean that an ability is bad, it just means that you're bad at using it.
there are reasons not to use it (like the fact that it's melee, or it's high cost making it difficult to sustain), but if it was ranged, or if it had a lower cost, or if it wasn't a channel (or all three), it would probably have to do about 40% less damage than it does now, like every other spammable in the game.
sweep/jabs had it's cast time reduced by 100ms and the 200ms delay after casting a channeled ability was removed, making it 300ms faster, with no change in damage. some of you need to go hit a dummy for awhile and learn how your own abilities actually work.
Lol, you are telling others they can't hit a dummy yet you can't post a parse of your own.
Let me guess, you're going to reply to this with more mathematics instead of posting a parse.
With ele weapon, I think ESO logs doesnt count ele weapon as its own ability? But this parse show 20% of the dmg done was by ele weapon!.
Thanks!Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »With ele weapon, I think ESO logs doesnt count ele weapon as its own ability? But this parse show 20% of the dmg done was by ele weapon!.
eleweapon is under light attack, you have to click the down arrow to see it.
Elemental Weapon is 4.77% of the damage in this one.
Puncturing Sweep is 0.95%.
Elemental Weapon is 6.88% of the damage in this one.