Stop "Patching" the game
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At this moment i just wish they would just stop updating the game and let it be. With each and every so called "Patch" that brings "improvements" the game gets worse and worse.
ZOS, either hire some professionals that can do this job or let it be.
Let the game die peacefully.
ZOS, either hire some professionals that can do this job or let it be.
Let the game die peacefully.
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ChimpyChumpy✭✭✭I bought the game less than a month ago and I;ve had no problems at all. On PC NA, I don't know much about servers or MMO issues. Are the issues mainly in PVP (which I haven't played) or in dungeons? I don't quite understand why some are getting long load times, laf and low fps. Or is the OP just referring to minor changes like to bash etc. that supposedly break the balance of the game?2
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✭✭✭✭✭ChimpyChumpy wrote: »I bought the game less than a month ago and I;ve had no problems at all. On PC NA, I don't know much about servers or MMO issues. Are the issues mainly in PVP (which I haven't played) or in dungeons? I don't quite understand why some are getting long load times, laf and low fps. Or is the OP just referring to minor changes like to bash etc. that supposedly break the balance of the game?
Issues are mainly in PVP and (veteran) PVE trials (raids). In those game modes lags, freezes etc is life or death question. Overland (pve zones) lags too... maybe you are new, and so you have nothing to compare with, but even few month ago responsiveness, fps and latency in PVE zones were much better too.
Also your experience depends on hours of playing, when far from peak hours game performance is overall ok.7 -
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✭✭ChimpyChumpy wrote: »I bought the game less than a month ago and I;ve had no problems at all. On PC NA, I don't know much about servers or MMO issues. Are the issues mainly in PVP (which I haven't played) or in dungeons? I don't quite understand why some are getting long load times, laf and low fps. Or is the OP just referring to minor changes like to bash etc. that supposedly break the balance of the game?
You should have been here back during clockwork city release. Performance may not be adequate now but at least you don't get an infinite loading screen every time you die in PvP or every time you travel locations.PvP needs more love.5 -
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✭✭✭✭ChimpyChumpy wrote: »I bought the game less than a month ago and I;ve had no problems at all. On PC NA, I don't know much about servers or MMO issues. Are the issues mainly in PVP (which I haven't played) or in dungeons? I don't quite understand why some are getting long load times, laf and low fps. Or is the OP just referring to minor changes like to bash etc. that supposedly break the balance of the game?
If you don’t play any dungeons, trials, BGs, or open world Cyro, then you’ll only experience the usual frame rate drops and quest-based bugs such as the issues with Caanerian the Indrik WB in summerset, and Zalsheem at Nightmare Plateau in Elsweyr.
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shaielzafine✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »ChimpyChumpy wrote: »I bought the game less than a month ago and I;ve had no problems at all. On PC NA, I don't know much about servers or MMO issues. Are the issues mainly in PVP (which I haven't played) or in dungeons? I don't quite understand why some are getting long load times, laf and low fps. Or is the OP just referring to minor changes like to bash etc. that supposedly break the balance of the game?
Issues are mainly in PVP and (veteran) PVE trials (raids). In those game modes lags, freezes etc is life or death question. Overland (pve zones) lags too... maybe you are new, and so you have nothing to compare with, but even few month ago responsiveness, fps and latency in PVE zones were much better too.
Also your experience depends on hours of playing, when far from peak hours game performance is overall ok.
Agreed. Overland lags too. But yeah it's not as bad as trials or PvP. Over time a lot of the server performance problems and lag and bugs from Cyrodiil seems to be happening in PvE now. Like sprint bug or combat bug, or disconnects and long loading screens where you have to exit out the game because it won't stop.2 -
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You have two main problems one is the dungeon finder who is pretty broken and they plan to replace it.ChimpyChumpy wrote: »I bought the game less than a month ago and I;ve had no problems at all. On PC NA, I don't know much about servers or MMO issues. Are the issues mainly in PVP (which I haven't played) or in dungeons? I don't quite understand why some are getting long load times, laf and low fps. Or is the OP just referring to minor changes like to bash etc. that supposedly break the balance of the game?
You might get issues in trials and Cyrodil at least 30 day CP has plenty of issues.
It also depend a lot on your hardware and not being unlucky.
And yes OP don't make much sense even if zos has an tendency to fix two things and break one.Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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You have two main problems one is the dungeon finder who is pretty broken and they plan to replace it.ChimpyChumpy wrote: »I bought the game less than a month ago and I;ve had no problems at all. On PC NA, I don't know much about servers or MMO issues. Are the issues mainly in PVP (which I haven't played) or in dungeons? I don't quite understand why some are getting long load times, laf and low fps. Or is the OP just referring to minor changes like to bash etc. that supposedly break the balance of the game?
You might get issues in trials and Cyrodil at least 30 day CP has plenty of issues.
It also depend a lot on your hardware and not being unlucky.
And yes OP don't make much sense even if zos has an tendency to fix two things and break one.
EU Server is down few hours after the "patch". I think i'm making sense.5 -
halucin0g3n✭✭✭✭As far as i'm concerned, leave the Gameplay mechanics as they are, since the dev team is so incompetent, don't let them touch the code no more. And if ZOS wants to milk this dead and rotten cow, let the 3D artists create those "unique" cosmetics so people can buy them. Personally i'm not interested in that crap.
To sum things up:- ZOS, let us be, stop with your non-sense "patching"
- Focus just on cosmetics so you can have your money you are so desperate for.
- Don't let this team work on TES 6
- Stop acting like we are a community for a free game. We're all customers here.
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✭halucin0g3n wrote: »At this moment i just wish they would just stop updating the game and let it be. With each and every so called "Patch" that brings "improvements" the game gets worse and worse.
ZOS, either hire some professionals that can do this job or let it be.
Let the game die peacefully.
lol low ranked forum account, first post is to say let the game die
I'll take you seriously but only for a moment, leave the game as is and those who still enjoy it which by the way is far more than you think will then have a much worse experience meaning the telegraph issues will not be fixed. This wont work and would be counter-productive.
Like seriously, Kind of tired of this now... if you are so upset if you really think the game is dying and if you want the game to die then please....for the love of everyone in this community just leave and dont let the door hit you on your way out.
Theres only so much "We complain because we care" can excuse in terms of stupidity.Ah, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.11 -
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✭✭✭✭halucin0g3n wrote: »At this moment i just wish they would just stop updating the game and let it be. With each and every so called "Patch" that brings "improvements" the game gets worse and worse.
ZOS, either hire some professionals that can do this job or let it be.
Let the game die peacefully.
lol low ranked forum account, first post is to say let the game die
I'll take you seriously but only for a moment, leave the game as is and those who still enjoy it which by the way is far more than you think will then have a much worse experience meaning the telegraph issues will not be fixed. This wont work and would be counter-productive.
Like seriously, Kind of tired of this now... if you are so upset if you really think the game is dying and if you want the game to die then please....for the love of everyone in this community just leave and dont let the door hit you on your way out.
Theres only so much "We complain because we care" can excuse in terms of stupidity.
Couldn't agree more. While OP brings up a valid point, it's mired in negativity - - that's the kind of criticism most likely ignored. As a software architect, I know the difficulties presented by in life maintenance of code and applications. Layers of obfuscation and complexity often mask lower tier logic and without modular separation (which is only possible in initial design phase, and often lost post release) impact of any change and modification presents risk. With a code base of 5 years' maturity consisting of middlewares and custom business logic, I can only imagine the state of the plumbing behind the facade.
Coming at the developers with poop in one hand and a fistful of unreasonable demands in the other is not the way to promote improvement. That said, I fully understand the frustration as a player/paying customer too. However tough love == hostile dominance and is not the best strategy. No one wants to maintain a system that garners dissatisfaction and misdirected anger.
I'm not excusing zos, but people should focus criticism at the decision makers who set priorities, not the people who are salaried to fulfill them.Edited by mairwen85 on July 2, 2019 6:20AM8 -
halucin0g3n✭✭✭✭lol low ranked forum account, first post is to say let the game die
8/30/2015 Digital Imperial Edition €79.99 €79.99
A forum account doesn't define me as a customer nor gives you the right to tell me to go away if i don't like it. As far as i'm concerned I'm entitled to my frustration and i can express it however i want as long as i don't curse or swear, since i bought the product.
It's the frustration that made me post.
And if you believe this game is not dying, well, it's your opinion, but trust me, it's squeezed to death so they can focus the money they make from it on other projects.
The thing is, it's gonna have a violent death or it's gonna die peaceful.
I really don't want it to die, this is why I bought it, and Expansion packs, and also have a ESO+ membership, but that doesn't make the disease it suffers from go away. Unfortunately i like the universe and the time spent with friends makes me keep going.
Also i don't really care if you take me seriously or not nor if you fed up with people complaining. [snip]
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I partially agree with you, but Netflix doesn't charge upfront.
Here, we bought a product, the standalone game and also a service which is the monthly fee by ESO+. Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on July 2, 2019 7:05PM3 -
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True, I had forgot about the upfront costs.halucin0g3n wrote: »[Quoted post has been removed.]
I partially agree with you, but Netflix doesn't charge upfront. Here, we bought a product, the standalone game and also a service which is the monthly fee by ESO+.
I mean sadly, there isn't much we can do. We can keep asking for changes and better focus on stability but it needs to be done in a constructive and polite way still. The people who read the forums are not the ones who are ruining the game for everyone, they're the ones working their butts off the delivery a great game for everyone.
There will be disagreements with them over balance of course, but there will always be disagreements over balance (buff necro!)
Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on July 2, 2019 7:05PM@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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True, I had forgot about the upfront costs.halucin0g3n wrote: »[Quoted post has been removed.]
I partially agree with you, but Netflix doesn't charge upfront. Here, we bought a product, the standalone game and also a service which is the monthly fee by ESO+.
I mean sadly, there isn't much we can do. We can keep asking for changes and better focus on stability but it needs to be done in a constructive and polite way still. The people who read the forums are not the ones who are ruining the game for everyone, they're the ones working their butts off the delivery a great game for everyone.
There will be disagreements with them over balance of course, but there will always be disagreements over balance (buff necro!)
Of course not players are ruining the game. ZOS is ruining the game because it keeps getting money from new players overwhelming the infrastructure but does little to 0 investment in ESO`s infrastructure expansion and probably two-three junior developers that are also overwhelmed by the situation.
They are using the money to keep alive other dead games like Fallout 76 and also develop games like TES 6 and those mobile thingies.
Let's be fair here. Whatever investment is done in ESO, it's to facilitate cash grab, not to improve the game.
Even the fact that the EU server went down for 12 hours after a patch went live is disgusting.Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on July 2, 2019 7:09PM3 -
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They have done investments, within recent months. They just didn't work as well as they thought. Hopefully more is happening soon.halucin0g3n wrote: »ZOS is ruining the game because it keeps getting money from new players overwhelming the infrastructure but does little to 0 investment in ESO`s infrastructure expansion and probably two-three junior developers that are also overwhelmed by the situation.
That's not how things work normally. Normally each studio will have a budget assigned by higher powers, ZOS will have whatever money it's given to invest in ESO and Bethesda will have whatever money it's given to invest in Fallout 76.halucin0g3n wrote: »They are using the money to keep alive other dead games like Fallout 76 and also develop games like TES 6 and those mobile thingies.
Normally the differences come from how successful a game is, then that studio/game will receive additional funding to keep doing more good things.
It's not likely that a company would syphon money away from their money maker (successful game) to keep a bad money maker afloat.
I can't say if this is how Zenimax group works, but this is how EA works (at least did a number of years ago when a developer gave a talk about it)
Again this isn't true. If it was there wouldn't be any investment in combat and gameplay balance, something ZOS does a lot of.halucin0g3n wrote: »Let's be fair here. Whatever investment is done in ESO, it's to facilitate cash grab, not to improve the game.
That might be the goal of the higher ups and publishers, but I can tell you it's sure not the goal of the developers and a majority of the ZOS staff.
Indeed, more so by the fact this seems to be becoming a trend.halucin0g3n wrote: »Even the fact that the EU server went down for 12 hours after a patch went live is disgusting.
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✭halucin0g3n wrote: »
Every MMO has been dying since they launched according to their forums. ESO is far from dying, it's actually growing. The issue is they're not focusing on the issues veteran players want, so they're not retaining veteran and hardcore players, but growing from more new and casual players.halucin0g3n wrote: »And if you believe this game is not dying, well, it's your opinion, but trust me, it's squeezed to death so they can focus the money they make from it on other projects.
The thing is, it's gonna have a violent death or it's gonna die peaceful.
We're all yesmen, yourself included because we keep buying stuff and playing the game. No matter how many angry forums posts are made, nothing will change as long as ESO continues to churn out money for Zenimax Media.halucin0g3n wrote: »Also i don't really care if you take me seriously or not nor if you fed up with people complaining. As far as i know it's yesmen like you that allow game companies develop bad practices because you just take it as it is.
A majority of the games developers have no choice in what their focus is, and the content they produce is great. They just don't have the time in their development schedule to stop and spend months on post launch fixing that would help with the game.
The TV is a product, ESO is a service. A better analogy would be if the TV was a streaming service like Netflix. In which case if it wasn't working, most would cancel their subscription and find another service which offers something better.halucin0g3n wrote: »I'm curious if you buy a broken TV, what will you do. Probably instead of watching you'll just be looking at it.
I partially agree with you, but Netflix doesn't charge upfront. Here, we bought a product, the standalone game and also a service which is the monthly fee by ESO+.
Netflix like ESO does charge upfront. Sorry to break it for you. Most things do like rent or power. Like most stuff in the EU...Huyen Shadowpaw, dedicated nightblade tank - PS4 (Retired)
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halucin0g3n✭✭✭✭halucin0g3n wrote: »
Every MMO has been dying since they launched according to their forums. ESO is far from dying, it's actually growing. The issue is they're not focusing on the issues veteran players want, so they're not retaining veteran and hardcore players, but growing from more new and casual players.halucin0g3n wrote: »And if you believe this game is not dying, well, it's your opinion, but trust me, it's squeezed to death so they can focus the money they make from it on other projects.
The thing is, it's gonna have a violent death or it's gonna die peaceful.
We're all yesmen, yourself included because we keep buying stuff and playing the game. No matter how many angry forums posts are made, nothing will change as long as ESO continues to churn out money for Zenimax Media.halucin0g3n wrote: »Also i don't really care if you take me seriously or not nor if you fed up with people complaining. As far as i know it's yesmen like you that allow game companies develop bad practices because you just take it as it is.
A majority of the games developers have no choice in what their focus is, and the content they produce is great. They just don't have the time in their development schedule to stop and spend months on post launch fixing that would help with the game.
The TV is a product, ESO is a service. A better analogy would be if the TV was a streaming service like Netflix. In which case if it wasn't working, most would cancel their subscription and find another service which offers something better.halucin0g3n wrote: »I'm curious if you buy a broken TV, what will you do. Probably instead of watching you'll just be looking at it.
I partially agree with you, but Netflix doesn't charge upfront. Here, we bought a product, the standalone game and also a service which is the monthly fee by ESO+.
Netflix like ESO does charge upfront. Sorry to break it for you. Most things do like rent or power. Like most stuff in the EU...
I'm done. I expressed my frustration. Don't want to argue with people like you or the other one with "troll".3 -
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One doesn't need to argue, but healthy debate can bring better understandings and help prevent future frustrations.halucin0g3n wrote: »halucin0g3n wrote: »
Every MMO has been dying since they launched according to their forums. ESO is far from dying, it's actually growing. The issue is they're not focusing on the issues veteran players want, so they're not retaining veteran and hardcore players, but growing from more new and casual players.halucin0g3n wrote: »And if you believe this game is not dying, well, it's your opinion, but trust me, it's squeezed to death so they can focus the money they make from it on other projects.
The thing is, it's gonna have a violent death or it's gonna die peaceful.
We're all yesmen, yourself included because we keep buying stuff and playing the game. No matter how many angry forums posts are made, nothing will change as long as ESO continues to churn out money for Zenimax Media.halucin0g3n wrote: »Also i don't really care if you take me seriously or not nor if you fed up with people complaining. As far as i know it's yesmen like you that allow game companies develop bad practices because you just take it as it is.
A majority of the games developers have no choice in what their focus is, and the content they produce is great. They just don't have the time in their development schedule to stop and spend months on post launch fixing that would help with the game.
The TV is a product, ESO is a service. A better analogy would be if the TV was a streaming service like Netflix. In which case if it wasn't working, most would cancel their subscription and find another service which offers something better.halucin0g3n wrote: »I'm curious if you buy a broken TV, what will you do. Probably instead of watching you'll just be looking at it.
I partially agree with you, but Netflix doesn't charge upfront. Here, we bought a product, the standalone game and also a service which is the monthly fee by ESO+.
Netflix like ESO does charge upfront. Sorry to break it for you. Most things do like rent or power. Like most stuff in the EU...
I'm done. I expressed my frustration. Don't want to argue with people like you or the other one with "troll".
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aaisoaho✭✭✭✭✭I feel like you're barking up the wrong tree. The programmers can be professionals, and I do believe they are, but they do not get to make the calls what they work on. Bark at the people making the shots - bark at the people who decides what others should work on. ZOS isn't an indie company.
The thing is, we do not know who is working on what issue and we do not know where exactly are these issues originating from. They might be in the middle of negotiations about better megaservers to relief the lag. They might be on a hunt for a better database system or a DB specialist who understands better the big data.
Nowadays bigger companies wants to increase their income, a steady income is not something they are after. (like TV shows, a show with a steady, non-increasing numbers of viewers, is usually shut down because it didn't increase in numbers) This creates pressure on the lower levels to create something that attracts more people, thus keeping the current userbase happy is less of an issue.
To my understanding, ESO is far from dying. We have more and more players coming in, to the point where current systems cannot withstand the amount of players. This is good on the long run, even if it currently feels like a bad thing as a player.2 -
halucin0g3n✭✭✭✭To my understanding, ESO is far from dying. We have more and more players coming in, to the point where current systems cannot withstand the amount of players. This is good on the long run, even if it currently feels like a bad thing as a player.
When the marketing campaign effect will fade, new players will stop coming, and the ones already in will get hit by the same truck.3 -
iAmLife✭✭✭ChimpyChumpy wrote: »I bought the game less than a month ago and I;ve had no problems at all. On PC NA, I don't know much about servers or MMO issues. Are the issues mainly in PVP (which I haven't played) or in dungeons? I don't quite understand why some are getting long load times, laf and low fps. Or is the OP just referring to minor changes like to bash etc. that supposedly break the balance of the game?
Don't listen to these toxic forum trollers, games fine as is, these lot just complain for the sake of complianing cause they got nothing else to do. They're tryna demotivate new players from playing by pushing the "game is dying" agenda. I do both PvP and PvE, both work great no frame drop that would put me in a disadvantage, these lot are mostly game raging trying to blame something for not being able to kill someone in game.I'll own you fool, COME AT ME YOU SON OF A GUN, hi names Life... LIKE FOR LIFE kthnxbye1 -
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✭✭ChimpyChumpy wrote: »I bought the game less than a month ago and I;ve had no problems at all. On PC NA, I don't know much about servers or MMO issues. Are the issues mainly in PVP (which I haven't played) or in dungeons? I don't quite understand why some are getting long load times, laf and low fps. Or is the OP just referring to minor changes like to bash etc. that supposedly break the balance of the game?
Don't listen to these toxic forum trollers, games fine as is, these lot just complain for the sake of complianing cause they got nothing else to do. They're tryna demotivate new players from playing by pushing the "game is dying" agenda. I do both PvP and PvE, both work great no frame drop that would put me in a disadvantage, these lot are mostly game raging trying to blame something for not being able to kill someone in game.
User experciences no bugs at all, game is fine, nothing to see.
Well, the most outstanding feature of this game is a plethora of bad decisions. The game might not be dying, but the EU server is.
If you rent a car or a flat that is badly in shape and far off of your expectations, you stop paying and start thinking about suing the provider. Why are MMOs different in that aspect?0 -
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✭ChimpyChumpy wrote: »I bought the game less than a month ago and I;ve had no problems at all. On PC NA, I don't know much about servers or MMO issues. Are the issues mainly in PVP (which I haven't played) or in dungeons? I don't quite understand why some are getting long load times, laf and low fps. Or is the OP just referring to minor changes like to bash etc. that supposedly break the balance of the game?
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Sigma957✭✭✭✭✭halucin0g3n wrote: »At this moment i just wish they would just stop updating the game and let it be. With each and every so called "Patch" that brings "improvements" the game gets worse and worse.
ZOS, either hire some professionals that can do this job or let it be.
Let the game die peacefully.
You should have been here at launch of ESO , the game has come a long way from those early days and is much more stable now than it was back then.0 -
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