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US Anti Loot Box Bill
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NordSwordnBoard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Nope
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/465883/belgium-people-i-have-a-question#latestFear is the Mindkiller1 -
aresula✭✭NordSwordnBoard wrote: »
That seems pretty shady to me.
Crown Crates contain a gambling aspect to them. It isn't just 100% cosmetics only too since they add pay2win mechanics that buff your character or make it easier to level. Hopefully the laws are better written in america cause it seems the Belgium government was incompetent. They acknowledged an issue, were one of the first to do something about it... but clearly wrote an inefficient law that was easy to ignore or find a loophole for.4 -
NordSwordnBoard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NordSwordnBoard wrote: »
That seems pretty shady to me.
Crown Crates contain a gambling aspect to them. It isn't just 100% cosmetics only too since they add pay2win mechanics that buff your character or make it easier to level. Hopefully the laws are better written in america cause it seems the Belgium government was incompetent. They acknowledged an issue, were one of the first to do something about it... but clearly wrote an inefficient law that was easy to ignore or find a loophole for.
Your reaction is to call an entire government incompetent? You must be very naive if you think consumer protection in the US is going to be better when some people here use "socialist" as a derogatory term.
So many people are under the delusion this politician is the "Champion" of their cause...and he's OK with that because he gets your support. He is picking an issue both side of the aisle will get behind with "Think of the children" to get notoriety. Helping people is a by-product of a politician advancing their career; if helping a good cause stands in the way of advancing their career, they almost always pick their career over altruism. This is your "Champion".
The Belgians legislators aren't any more incompetent than the US ones lol.
@aresula Tell me the difference between winning prizes at the carnival and crown crates.
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CMDR_Un1k0rn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Be careful what you wish for.In-game username: Un1korn | Happy member of the PCNA UESP guild (Resident Daggerfall Covenant enjoyer) | Main & basically only character: Crucian Vulpin, Imperial Dragonknight of the Daggerfall Covenant, and Undaunted Bulwark (I tank) | If you know me from PCEU: No2 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Another thread on the subject.
First of all many bills get introduced and most never see the floor for a full vote let alone become law.
Consisting USA politics is frozen shut im a bad way nothing will get done
Finally, governments cannot outlaw crates and an only regulate them.1 -
DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The bill in question is trying to regulate loot boxes through introducing unenforceable standards that force companies to abandon loot boxes. I think the way they are going about it is wrong, horribly wrong in fact.0 -
NorthernNightmare✭✭✭✭✭DocFrost72 wrote: »The bill in question is trying to regulate loot boxes through introducing unenforceable standards that force companies to abandon loot boxes. I think the way they are going about it is wrong, horribly wrong in fact.
Just get rid of loot boxes, thats all they have to do1 -
DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭NorthernNightmare wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »The bill in question is trying to regulate loot boxes through introducing unenforceable standards that force companies to abandon loot boxes. I think the way they are going about it is wrong, horribly wrong in fact.
Just get rid of loot boxes, thats all they have to do
It very much matters how. "We can't have gambling in games children 'can access' (every video game in existence)" can easily become violence, crime, drugs, sexual themes, and anything else the religious right or identity politics left deems "unsafe for kids and sensitive groups".
If games are going to do away with loot boxes, the way in which it is done very much matters.5 -
Kynigos✭✭I doubt it will really harm ESO.
The game doesn't have minors (as it's technically M rated) and it's not P2W.
Well, if the bill does get passed then it won't matter that it's Rated M. It has clauses and sub-clauses that says even if a minor plays a R/M rated game and buys lootboxes then the company is directly responsible for it.
Also,according to the bill ESO does fall under the P2W status :-
In it's subclause it takes P2W as a general concept which includes anything and everything that makes the game "easier" or "more convenient" for the player i:e XP boosters, riding lessons, consumables etc does fall under the bill's P2W description.1 -
LartenCrepsley✭✭✭The us bill does not apply to this game... if you read over the bill its in terms of gaming for minors ) and this game is rated M1
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JamilaRaj✭✭✭✭✭
✭LartenCrepsley wrote: »The us bill does not apply to this game... if you read over the bill its in terms of gaming for minors ) and this game is rated M
M is not "not for minors" game however. Minor is under 18, M is 17 and up.
Furthermore, if RMTs were pushed out from under 18 games, 18 and up games would have a problem too, because they would start bleeding players. Players spending relatively little money would have no reason to play 18 and up games regardless of their actual age, while players spending a lot of money would quickly find out that their money are no longer buying them any advantage over anyone, because they are stuck on depopulated servers with only other whales.2 -
Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It’d be very easy to get rid of lootboxes in this game, make everything available for direct sale
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NorthernNightmare✭✭✭✭✭Wouldnt all the esa have to do is make M stand for 18 and up instead?
Still death to loot boxes0 -
sionIV✭✭✭✭✭NorthernNightmare wrote: »Wouldnt all the esa have to do is make M stand for 18 and up instead?
Still death to loot boxes
https://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.aspx
ADULTS ONLY
Content suitable only for adults ages 18 and up. May include prolonged scenes of intense violence, graphic sexual content and/or gambling with real currency.
They would have to give the game an A rating. Most A rated games have trouble selling, and there are many platforms who won't accept games with an A rating.Edited by sionIV on May 27, 2019 1:22PM2 -
NorthernNightmare✭✭✭✭✭NorthernNightmare wrote: »Wouldnt all the esa have to do is make M stand for 18 and up instead?
Still death to loot boxes
https://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.aspx
ADULTS ONLY
Content suitable only for adults ages 18 and up. May include prolonged scenes of intense violence, graphic sexual content and/or gambling with real currency.
They would have to give the game an A rating. Most A rated games have trouble selling, and there are many platforms who won't accept games with an A rating.
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Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭https://www.hawley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2019-05/Loot-Box-Bill-Text.pdf
TLDR:
https://www.hawley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2019-05/Loot-Box-Bill-FAQ.pdf
What about cosmetic downloadable content?
Cosmetic downloadable content is excluded from the bill’s prohibitions. The bill does
commission a study of microtransactions that includes a study of the potential of cosmetic
downloadable content to induce compulsive purchasing behavior by children.signing off0 -
DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭https://www.hawley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2019-05/Loot-Box-Bill-Text.pdf
TLDR:
https://www.hawley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2019-05/Loot-Box-Bill-FAQ.pdf
What about cosmetic downloadable content?
Cosmetic downloadable content is excluded from the bill’s prohibitions. The bill does
commission a study of microtransactions that includes a study of the potential of cosmetic
downloadable content to induce compulsive purchasing behavior by children.
"PROHIBITION ON PUBLICATION OR DISTRIBU-
16 TION OF VIDEO GAMES CONTAINING PAY-TO-WIN MICRO-
17 TRANSACTIONS OR PURCHASING LOOT BOXES WHERE
18 THE PUBLISHER OR DISTRIBUTOR HAS CONSTRUCTIVE
19 KNOWLEDGE THAT ANY USERS ARE UNDER AGE 18."
Under this rule, can you think of any videogame that does not meet this criteria?0 -
Reistr_the_Unbroken✭✭✭✭✭
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Or the Pokémon cards, other cards like them, blind bags and blind boxes lmaoNordSwordnBoard wrote: »NordSwordnBoard wrote: »
That seems pretty shady to me.
Crown Crates contain a gambling aspect to them. It isn't just 100% cosmetics only too since they add pay2win mechanics that buff your character or make it easier to level. Hopefully the laws are better written in america cause it seems the Belgium government was incompetent. They acknowledged an issue, were one of the first to do something about it... but clearly wrote an inefficient law that was easy to ignore or find a loophole for.
Your reaction is to call an entire government incompetent? You must be very naive if you think consumer protection in the US is going to be better when some people here use "socialist" as a derogatory term.
So many people are under the delusion this politician is the "Champion" of their cause...and he's OK with that because he gets your support. He is picking an issue both side of the aisle will get behind with "Think of the children" to get notoriety. Helping people is a by-product of a politician advancing their career; if helping a good cause stands in the way of advancing their career, they almost always pick their career over altruism. This is your "Champion".
The Belgians legislators aren't any more incompetent than the US ones lol.
@aresula Tell me the difference between winning prizes at the carnival and crown crates.
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Zacuel✭✭✭✭✭
✭I guess I'm a horrible person for saying this but if you don't like crates don't buy them. I don't. Who cares about what other peoples children are doing.Edited by Zacuel on May 28, 2019 8:25PM4 -
NordSwordnBoard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭While it is true that a large proportion of game players are adults, even games with predominantly adult player bases – including games marketed primarily to adults – tend to have enormous appeal to children. The onus should be on developers to deter child consumption of products that foster gambling and similarly compulsive purchasing behavior, just as is true in other industries that restrict access to certain kinds of products and forms of entertainment to adult consumers.
It's explicit lyrics stickers all over again. The Pols work out a deal where the industry regulates itself (in exchange for donations), the most egregious games are focused on for PR (2LiveCrew), and ESO puts a graphic on the game cover that says "not intended for minors due to micro transactions" along with the current rating.
The revolution will not be televised...
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CMDR_Un1k0rn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I guess I'm a horrible person for saying this but if you don't like crates don't buy them. I don't. Who cares about what other peoples children are doing.
I agree.
I have no kids, am taking the ultimate effort to ensure I never have kids too. Complete abstinence from... You know...
Why should I have to be concerned with the welfare of something that, with all due respect, has absolutely nothing to do with me, and will never have anything to do with me?
I'm getting a little sick of little brats ruining things for us adults who use our brains. If I want to decide whether to gamble, then I want that to be my decision, not some parent who doesn't know how to protect their own credit card.In-game username: Un1korn | Happy member of the PCNA UESP guild (Resident Daggerfall Covenant enjoyer) | Main & basically only character: Crucian Vulpin, Imperial Dragonknight of the Daggerfall Covenant, and Undaunted Bulwark (I tank) | If you know me from PCEU: No4 -
Zacuel✭✭✭✭✭
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That's the thing it's too much fun to preach and debate it here because it's the right thing to say.
But do you really care? Do you really?
I'm not buying it...3 -
Zacuel✭✭✭✭✭
✭... and I know it's too much to ask for parents to be responsible for their own children. But if you catch the little stinker buying crates with cash you probably provided them with ... Just unplug the modem and laugh.Edited by Zacuel on May 28, 2019 9:08PM4 -
Imza✭✭✭✭NordSwordnBoard wrote: »While it is true that a large proportion of game players are adults, even games with predominantly adult player bases – including games marketed primarily to adults – tend to have enormous appeal to children. The onus should be on developers to deter child consumption of products that foster gambling and similarly compulsive purchasing behavior, just as is true in other industries that restrict access to certain kinds of products and forms of entertainment to adult consumers.
It's explicit lyrics stickers all over again. The Pols work out a deal where the industry regulates itself (in exchange for donations), the most egregious games are focused on for PR (2LiveCrew), and ESO puts a graphic on the game cover that says "not intended for minors due to micro transactions" along with the current rating.
The revolution will not be televised...
*Sigh* - Admittedly I am going to the extreme here, but, this is a slippery slope for the following example.
You are agreeing to abdicate all of your responsibilities as an adult for the raising of your children. No longer will you have to worry about punishing your children from doing something wrong, the company/government can do it for you! Now you can just be the good guy in your child's eyes.
Edit: SpellingEdited by Imza on May 28, 2019 9:11PM0 -
ChunkyCat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Someone would have to sue ZoS in civil court and then prove to a judge that the company violated the law.
Until then: WTS crowns, PC NA, 150g per crown.2
