Magicka Warden weakest 1vs1 pvp class

Soundles1990
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Magicka Warden needs a serious buff
  • Taunky
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    Nah.
  • Koolio
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    I’d like my MNB to have a 20k tooltip Aoe. Even if it takes 3 secs to go off
  • NinchiTV
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    ya, the 5k beetles 10k dot and 11k storm really needs a buff huh. Nothing on warden needs a buff and TBH i hope they finally nerf that crutch class when necro is out.
  • Kulvar
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    Fortunately, 1vs1 are the most unimportant fights.
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  • _Ahala_
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    Funny how polarized opinions are when it comes to magden... it’s almost as if the class is built entirely around two powerful skills that are completely useless against people who counterplay them... 20k fissure? That’s with 55k+ mag lightning staff build that’s fully buffed with inner light, blue betty, bird of prey, northern storm and an infused berserk enchant (that’s alot of skill slots wasted and build restrictions for buffing an ability that won’t ever hit when your snared and rooted)... Crutch class? Try it out for yourself before you start spouting inflammatory nonsense... Every class can be powerful when played right but no class is as predictable and boring as magden... Magden has a problem when it comes to power distribution and build diversity... Fissure and sleet storm need nerfs, just as much magden needs some winters embrace offensive morphs and reworks to cliff racer and swarm to be comparable to other classes when the snare meta ends
    Edited by _Ahala_ on March 28, 2019 12:02AM
  • ESO_Nightingale
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    Welcome to salty comments
    Edited by ESO_Nightingale on March 28, 2019 12:45AM
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  • SidraWillowsky
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    Oh god please no...

    I have no idea how they perform one on one but they're absolute hell to deal with in BGs and Cyro. Ice, subterranean assault, shields for days... If anything, they need a serious nerf.
    Magden has a problem when it comes to power distribution and build diversity

    ^ They are way OP in PvP.

    Edited by SidraWillowsky on March 28, 2019 12:47AM
  • Strider__Roshin
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    Not even close.
  • ESO_Nightingale
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    Oh god please no...

    I have no idea how they perform one on one but they're absolute hell to deal with in BGs and Cyro. Ice, subterranean assault, shields for days... If anything, they need a serious nerf. No

    I think they need both. Rebalancing to cause a power shift and new damage skills. Sleet Storm is fine apart from the devastatingly powerful snare and it enables Deep Fissure to hit enemies much easier with massive burst which makes it less skill based. We lack build diversity and magden needs vDSA shock. Magden is woefully imbalanced in PvP and PvE(where its not wanted). Overall needs a nerf to a few things but a huge buff to a whole bunch of other things.
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  • NyassaV
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    I mean MagDen can 1vX better than mNB so pretty sure it's not that weak.
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  • Browiseth
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    this is now a buff argonian thread
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  • DisgracefulMind
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    Viable magden builds for outnumbered PvP do not have 20k fissure tooltips. You cannot sustain that in actual outnumbered 1vX and 2vX. Actually, mine and my partner's are sitting around 15k for his non-bird of prey bars, and 16kish with bird of prey on my bar (we run one pollen). That fissure though? That's half your damage, as most magicka warden bars can only afford to run their spammable (clench) and fissure as their damage skills. Magicka Warden needs almost all of its skill slots to even stay alive. You need multiple HoTs and you're stuck being vampire (you can play without mist, but you'll die outnumbered most likely, trust me).

    The huge, huge issue magicka warden suffers from is not being able to viably run their spammable (cliffracer). Not having a solid cc option (the one we have isn't viable, don't even start with me) ties magicka warden into specifically playing with clench. That ties us then into specifically playing with a master staff. That then ruins most build diversity for magicka warden and then ties us into very few build options. I've tried so many combinations of builds over the past few patches, and they always come down to almost the same thing, and it's frustrating.

    So, sure, good magicka warden players are going to make the class look insanely easy to play, but it's not. Go out and fight a couple DKs or stam builds with your clench spam and then go back and swap to a stamina build or a magicka spec with an actual CC and pressured damage and you'll see a huge difference. The spec is fun, for me, which is why I won't stop playing it until Necro, but it's far from overpowered like everyone is saying. Comparing magicka warden to stamina warden is also unfair because stamina, overall, is just busted with bleeds and how strong dawnbreaker is.

    As for 1v1s, the issue with a 1v1 spec is that our DoT, which has potential to be strong, was increased in cost (lol? I still have no clue why), we're still stuck with clench spam, we still have no class CC that is worth anything (ultimates really don't count), and we're sort of trapped into running the bear 1v1, as our spec is made to do, but it's not allowed in most duels, so we're stuck with perma/northern storm, which isn't amazing in a 1v1, so then we have meteor or soul assault, and, well, lol.
    That being said, if we are, by the grace of all the pro-dueling gods, allowed to use our bear, we can actually keep pressure. Other than that, our major damage through fissure is so easily avoided (side-step it people, kite in circles around the warden, they'll never hit you with it, big tip). So I don't think magicka warden is weak by any means 1v1, but it's weak when we're refused our bear.

    I'm also a person who has consistently played multiple specs in this game, stamina and magicka, and I don't find as many infuriating issues with most as I do with magicka warden. I literally just play the class because I find it to be fun, and it has its moments where everything lines up just right and it can be a blast. But overpowered? Nah.
    Edited by DisgracefulMind on March 28, 2019 5:11PM
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  • Neoauspex
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    No, it's defiitely not
  • Soundles1990
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    thank you @DisgracefulMind . Exactly what im thinking about magicka warden.
  • WoppaBoem
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    I am not good 1V1 with my magden and that does not matter at all. It is so good in groups I would say overpowerred and that is much fun to play.

    I have a magdk with wich I win my 1V1 at least 80% of the time but it sucks in group play.

    Both are fine this is part of the game you cannot have it all....
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  • Iki
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    Magden is one of the best specs for group-play in pvp and for that should remain weaker in 1 vs 1. And I don`t think magden even can be called weak in 1 vs 1, warden can be very hard to kill but also warden can struggle with killing competent opponent in duel due shalks being so predictable and easy to avoid.
    Isn`t that how balance looks like? Shine in group-play, but have harder time alone. Hard to kill in duel but also struggle with killing opponent.

    If they wanted to shift wardens power from aoe to single-target dmg by, for example, nerfing shalks and sleet storm and then buffing cliff racer, swarm and bear, I would approve that. But no buffing alone should happen or warden would quickly become quite imbalanced class. That kind of power-shifting could also help magdens in pve-dps and that`s where magdens really need help, not in pvp.
  • Na0cho
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    Op is dead right. Sometimes in bg’s , one guy will get away from me and live. I know some of you will say 3 out of 4 isn’t bad but it’s really disheartening when u lose one.
  • Jackarallious
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    9200hrs playn warden n magden is great in tight bg group/bk n zone lose every 1v1 and unless nord cyro *** way solo cyro,offers amazing array of buffs for group very flexible in any content is y i stay warden.add cp to mix and needs group.but i hav ran nord n had blast n cyro
  • WreckfulAbandon
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    Agree, Arctic Wind definitely needs a buff, why settle for a hybrid DoT, stun, burst heal, and HoT (and class bonuses for slotting) when you can reach for the stars?

    The pOoR mAgDeN meme is old and not at all valid anymore. They used to be kings of small group PvP but were clunky in duels. Fast forward to today and they are still kings of small group PvP, and better in duels but still clunky. Very viable all the same. Master Staff change, Arctic Blast change, shift towards proc meta (Icy Conjurer Malacath Warden says hi), Warden having a class resistance to nerfs have all helped Magden immensely. They can almost line up combos better than sorc now considering they have a much more useful stun in Arctic Blast. Let's just be thankful they don't have Curse and Endless Fury.

    They have endured while other classes got ******* racked with nerfs. So no, Magden doesn't need any help right now at all.

    Edit: I am SO thankful to see this is a necro, imagine asking for Warden buffs right now :#
    Edited by WreckfulAbandon on October 3, 2020 12:25AM
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  • CaffeinatedMayhem
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    Magden has a problem when it comes to power distribution and build diversity

    ^ They are way OP in PvP.

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    Really? I main magden in PvP (and PvE). *looks at K/d ratio* How are they OP again? Seems I can stay alive but I can't kill anyone. If you're getting hit with fissure... um, you weren't paying attention on in a group. Cliff racer isn't that great on mag, and I need to pull Northern storm to get my magicka up high enough to do damage for... 10 seconds. It's good if I'm wearing Balorgh too, but then I can only kill for 10 seconds TOPS... if I"m not CC'd or dead. Then time to build up another 500 ult.

    No, magden is not OP. Maybe to casuals, but if I run the necessary build to be "OP"... I'm also a glass cannon. You know, unless I"m running macros or CE... which nobody in PvP does that.... do they? *innocent smile*

    NOTE: I play almost exclusively solo in PvP. So no group to spread damage, heal me, etc. Sure, magden does a lot better in a group, but so does every build. Except gankers.
    Edited by CaffeinatedMayhem on October 3, 2020 12:49AM
  • Waffennacht
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    Brought my magden out earlier and I think its in a solid spot.

    No way would I say OP, nor would I say it needs buffs.

    The up coming changes to major/minor seem like enough of a nerf to magden anyway. They'll be losing some damage and heals; kinda important to the toolkit FYI

    As for 1v1 duels, any build that's more attuned for BGs or OW will appear weak; any class that's built on range and mobility will be hampered; any build without an execute will be missing out on opportunities.

    I would not recommend 1v1 to be an accurate representation of a build or class unless that build is specifically made for duels
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    Good thing I hate pvp then
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