The screen shot posted wasn't an attempt to get away from the guard it was merely to see what the guards are actually capable of doing as I kited him around in his patrol area for about 3 mins whether people agree or not 149k is a bit high considering the guard has the ability to do this damage from range and are able to CC you and pull you back into melee range

A 15k-25k melee ranged hit is one thing and I don't mind it so much as you have to be in melee range for that to happen but 149k from range is a bit more of a issue considering the guards cannot be killed

My honest complaint is this for what the guard is capable of doing and from the range it is capable of doing it they should be killable or have their damage adjusted to be more inline with some bosses...

Take for instance even in Tribunes folly if you went to fight Limenauruus a "World Boss" stood in shadow pool that does like 20k? maybe slightly more? for a world boss hes got around 2 mil HP killable for sure maybe even soloable if you have a good rotation and can heal vs all the adds.


Black Rose Prison the Imperial battlemage on normal does like 37-40kish on her lava whip and that's vs a squishy T4 vamp like my self now on Vet iv no idea as iv never done it but I am going to bet she aint lava whipping peasant prisoners for 149k
if she is someone please prove me wrong and post a screen of it lol otherwise im going to assume no.

Now if a world boss like Limenauruus who is very killable maybe even soloable with his adds doesn't put out 149k in a single hit let alone from range.

And unless someone posts a screen proving otherwise for Black Rose Prison On Vet or other Vet DLCs/Trial content proving infact that those bosses can do over 120k or even 149k in a single hit.

My question is this If World bosses cant do 149k in a single hit Nor can Vet DLC Content Bosses assuming no one proves otherwise Why should city guards when there is at least 6-9 of them in Anvil alone be unkillable and capable of doing that damage and from range at that in a single attack...

For those who have played since launch that might reply with they have been like that for years... Then why shouldn't it be changed with the new justice system to be more balanced atleast with world bosses that are killable?

It isn't so much the concept of a 1 shot I just got done watching a video from 2017 Trying to Kill a Guard in Eso they had what looked to be 11 people in grp trying to kill this guard and it aoe nuked them with riot control lol.


Guards being god mode unable to die is one thing … guards with 1 shot abilities is another ….but city guards with godmode and 1 shots especially in aoe form are not a recipe for balance..


So in the past guards were killable and didn't 1 shot ok and people managed to kill 1 ok noted I can understand they are supposed to serve some purpose but the concept they need to be unkillable now with the ability to 1 shot 11 people at once seems to be a 180 in terms of direction of how zos went about it.

If people don't mind guards that don't die with the ability to dish out 149k in single ranged attacks and how ever much damage riot control does for an 11 man aoe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYjmDfyFozk&t=320s for those who want to see it and no one objects...

Imo zos should replace all of these unique supernatural monster end game content bosses with city guards and leave the guard mechanics the same as it is now or put a few to patrol inside of dungeons and trials to keep it interesting since guards are so balanced now no one should object

@DBZVelena Im not overly worried about the concept of a bounty hunter system where players might beable to hunt down other players..


Im more concerned about the concept that there are city guards that do more damage in a single attack then the world bosses or end game vet dlc bosses and the concept those same city guards are unkillable theres atleast 6-9 per city and zos is going to introduce a new class that's going to get focused by them severally just for using their class skills in town lol...

The justice system could use a few tweaks imo and im not referring to the ones that expected to come unless there are more details about it then we know about currently but sure there should be some npc that runs around and upholds the law for the sake of standards and when people break it ok bounty noted

But in no size shape or form do I agree with the concept City guards should essentially be god mode unkillable but still capable of nuking 11 players at once or doing a single target ranged projectile for 149k especially when said standards bypass that of even their end game content dlc bosses..

That is my hang up bounties are one thing im not against them it keeps it interesting but when the NPCs collecting the bounties and enforcing the "Law" are literally unkillable and can nuke 11 players at once I question the nature of balance regarding them and frankly I question anyone who doesn't seen an issue with it tbh lol maybe the folks playing from launch are more used to what these guards represent...

While I am pretty sure zos will do absolutely nothing about these guards in terms of their damage output or the fact they are unkillable as they probably see it as fine which baffles me.

I know the reply ill get soon as I say this but ermm Elder scrolls Morrowind the guards were killable there were a lot more and they didn't outright put you in the dirt unless you were lv 1 and naked lol ….

Elder scrolls Oblivion ...Stop right there you criminal scum! .. those guards ..came in droves ...were still killable sure they had some good combat moves but they didn't 1 shot you unless once again you were naked and lv 1 lol.

And you already know skyrim the guards were once again killable provided a fair challenge upheld the law just like all of the guards from the other elder scrolls games they didn't 1 shot you..

Yet here Elder scrolls online … has guards that uphold the law too ….except they do more damage then end game content bosses maybe if I say that enough times itl sink in lol and ermm yeah their still unkillable the concept for why this is happening seems to be inconsistent but why is getting a bit old the question imo should be.

Should the guards remain the same as they are now unkillable and capable of 149k ranged projectiles and nuking 11 players at once for when Elsweyr drops the new justice system for necromancers

@DBZVelena See when you brought up the lore and said necromancers are "Not good people"and they should be punished by that logic then.

Sorcs streaking thru town /using any of their skills or have a zoo of 2-3 daedric pets following them should also incur bounties because their summoning daedra in the public if anything the lore has told us daedra are not "good people".

Also half of them do it and stack their flappy wing summons on bankers guild stores anywhere other folks might need to access that same NPC the lack of consideration to others is appalling

Don't worry though I got some for everyones class

Nightblades their entire class is based on murder they should undoubtedly incur bounties for using any of their skills in public. maybe even just be kill on sight for the concept their class is legit based on murder *Mostly law abiding npcs* SHAME! SHAME! I say that qualifies as "not good people"

DKs should also get bounties as half their skill passives talk about burning things down *ARSON!* causing ruin and destruction to everything around them sounds like a winner to me

Wardens? hrmm better put that winne the pooh away or face the wrath of the guards. stay out side and hug some trees


Templars … their repentance skill where they consume the dead sounds like Namira worship to me that is also frowned upon according to lore good stuff bounty!

And we already know vampires and werewolves any mutts running thru town should be killed on sight if packleaders they should get several guards chasing them because their summons are leaving mud tracks everywhere

Doh and my fellow t4 vampires if were looking a bit too pale in the morning better slap on some sun screen and kick it at the beach for a few hours or get a bounty slapped on considering im a t4 vampire id go with it.

Oh and anyone saying none of these classes should get bounties them selves for using their own questionable abilities
and while having questionable themes it will sound as if were just being discriminatory specifically against necromancers while using necromancers as a off topic reason of why guards need to remain broken because not everyone agrees with necromancy



@Kulvar You obviously havnt read anything iv said and you just decided to join in without reading or understanding like most people do so ill bring you up to speed that way you can feel enlightened.

I never said I wanted guards to be useless I said guards shouldn't be unkillable and capable of 149k from range while having the ability to nuke 11 players at once ….If they were to retain unkillable nature and their modest 15-25k hits along with the justice system suggestions I made at least then the guards would be inline with some lowly world bosses.

Anything past that is obscene and unnecessary @Kulvar and your statement here "They're guards, not loot bag or boss."

Your right their guards they do more damage then end game bosses with 11 people aoe nukes and 149k ranged projectiles while the fact they are still unkillable but all of this notion aside I still have not heard 1 legit reason from anyone that's replied yet of why they should remain this way.

If your going to disagree with me in regards to a obviously broken NPC mechanic then you are actually gona have to provide some legit reasons and actual logical view points of why they should remain as thus. If you are unable to present such logical and good view points befitting your disagreement with me then I suggest get a bag of popcorn and become a bystander.

These replies of oh guards should stay this way because lore and necromancers and ….reasons! lol doesn't work because I am willing to bet if Zos ever did decide to expand the "justice system" to include other classes and then people had to actually wonder if their gona get a bounty when they go to use a banker or guild store with their flappy winged zerg following them blocking access to the npcs and guards just started wailing on them.


Then I expect people might change their minds some.

I await yals logical and perfectly sound view points aka because "reasons"