Can you find a use for all 10 races?

Evil_Rurouni · February 2019

I'm one of those guys that runs ten characters.
2 of each class, 1 magika and 1 stamina.
Each character has a particular job I intend to use them for once they've got all their gear and undaunted passives.

Magika Templar: Trials healer.
Stamina Templar: Trials stam DPS
Magika Nightblade: Stealth based content and Ranged magika DPS.
Stamina Nightblade: Stealth based content and PvP.
Magika Dragonknight: Melee magika DPS.
Stamina Dragonknight: Trials tank.
Magika Sorcerer: Pet based magika DPS.
Stamina Sorcerer: Solo farming overland and in vMA.
Magika Warden: Dungeon healer.
Stamina Warden: Dungeon Tank.

If Zenimax have completely succeeded in making the races balanced it should be possible to use all 10 races to make good builds for my setups without feeling the need to have duplicates or omitted races, and there should be a variety of different valid setups suggested by different forum members.

Part of the reasoning for the balance changes was to avoid certain classes being typecast for certain races such as tank = argonian, mDK = Dunmer, petsorc = Altmer, and the potential templar DPS = Khajiit situation we saw in early PTS.

So, what race would you use for each of my characters and why?
Which races did you want to use 2 or more of and why?
Which races did you find hard to find a use for and why?

IronWooshu · February 2019

You don't find your Nightblade is better at solo farming overland and vMA over your Stamsorc?

Tonturri · February 2019

Some players use race to make up for what they lack. Others use race to push what they have even further.

Unless you're in the second group and doing bleeding edge trial runs for that...#1 slot or whatever, you can use any race for any of the setups you've listed above.

TLDR Use Bosmer for all of them for maximum cute.

Evil_Rurouni · February 2019

IronWooshu wrote: »

You don't find your Nightblade is better at solo farming overland and vMA over your Stamsorc?

I often run stage 4 vampire on the nightblades for sneak speed.
That conflicts with the fire damage in later stages of vma, amongst other issues.

I could use bloody mara to go down stages then mist form to go back up again as needed, but its a PITA.
Easier to use stamsorc for that and use the nightblades for stuff where fire isn't an issue.

Besides, the minor expedition and AoE from hurricane combined with Vicious Ophidian is dirty good for vma or just murdering trash in delves quickly to get to the boss quicker.

Gnortranermara · February 2019

Breton. Magika Templar: Trials healer.
Orc. Stamina Templar: Trials stam DPS
Dunmer. Magika Nightblade: Stealth based content and Ranged magika DPS.
Khajiit. Stamina Nightblade: Stealth based content and PvP.
Dunmer or Breton. Magika Dragonknight: Melee magika DPS.
Imperial or Nord. Stamina Dragonknight: Trials tank.
Altmer. Magika Sorcerer: Pet based magika DPS.
Orc. Stamina Sorcerer: Solo farming overland and in vMA.
Breton. Magika Warden: Dungeon healer.
Nord or Imperial. Stamina Warden: Dungeon Tank.

Redguard and Argonian might as well be deleted from the game, and Altmer's trash utility only functions in highly niche situations, making it overshadowed by Breton and Dunmer all but 2-3 narrow cases.

Assuming current changes go live:

My main Altmer Magplar will be shifted to PvP. I have five Argonians, two Redguards, a Bosmer, and two other Altmer that all need race changes though. Every single PvE character I have got crapped on, but my top three priorities would probably be to change my support Argonians since they got the worst of it. Templar healer to Breton, DK tank to Imperial, and Warden tank to Nord.

But I'll probably just hold onto the tokens for a while because I have ZERO confidence in the balance stability of this game moving forward. And I won't be buying any more (ever again, and I've bought a lot in the past) because I have ZERO interest in buying things from a company that changes the product after-the-fact and then charges people money to fix their characters after horribly bungled "balancing". If they want to be a slimy business, then I'll be a freeloader from now on, until/unless I resub (which will only happen if they someday fix this embarrassing failure of a patch.) I've already moved everything into chests and deleted a ton of excess crap to clear bank space for mats so I can survive without the craft bag.

Sad thing is I run a trials guild and I've already seen several elite, endgame players quit the game over the past 2 weeks of PTS over these changes. This is the third time in four years of ESO that I've had a front row seat to watch ZOS incompetence and/or cash grabs drive my friends out of the social game we play together.

SammyFable · February 2019

RP, easy.

katorga · February 2019

Tonturri wrote: »

Some players use race to make up for what they lack. Others use race to push what they have even further.

This, especially in pvp builds.

LiquidPony · February 2019

SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »

Breton. Magika Templar: Trials healer.
Orc. Stamina Templar: Trials stam DPS
Dunmer. Magika Nightblade: Stealth based content and Ranged magika DPS.
Khajiit. Stamina Nightblade: Stealth based content and PvP.
Dunmer or Breton. Magika Dragonknight: Melee magika DPS.
Imperial or Nord. Stamina Dragonknight: Trials tank.
Altmer. Magika Sorcerer: Pet based magika DPS.
Orc. Stamina Sorcerer: Solo farming overland and in vMA.
Breton. Magika Warden: Dungeon healer.
Nord or Imperial. Stamina Warden: Dungeon Tank.

Redguard and Argonian might as well be deleted from the game, and Altmer's trash utility only functions in highly niche situations, making it overshadowed by Breton and Dunmer all but 2-3 narrow cases.

Assuming current changes go live:

My main Altmer Magplar will be shifted to PvP. I have five Argonians, two Redguards, a Bosmer, and two other Altmer that all need race changes though. Every single PvE character I have got crapped on, but my top three priorities would probably be to change my support Argonians since they got the worst of it. Templar healer to Breton, DK tank to Imperial, and Warden tank to Nord.

But I'll probably just hold onto the tokens for a while because I have ZERO confidence in the balance stability of this game moving forward. And I won't be buying any more (ever again, and I've bought a lot in the past) because I have ZERO interest in buying things from a company that changes the product after-the-fact and then charges people money to fix their characters after horribly bungled "balancing". If they want to be a slimy business, then I'll be a freeloader from now on, until/unless I resub (which will only happen if they someday fix this embarrassing failure of a patch.) I've already moved everything into chests and deleted a ton of excess crap to clear bank space for mats so I can survive without the craft bag.

Sad thing is I run a trials guild and I've already seen several elite, endgame players quit the game over the past 2 weeks of PTS over these changes. This is the third time in four years of ESO that I've had a front row seat to watch ZOS incompetence and/or cash grabs drive my friends out of the social game we play together.

No idea why you'd pick Orc for a vMA stamsorc to be honest. Seems like Redguard is far and away the obvious choice for stamsorcs. The build has trashcan sustain and in vMA almost all of your skills are weapon skills (Shrouded Daggers, 'Nado, Rending Slashes, Hail, Poison Injection, and Ballista). Redguard seems like a no-brainer. I'm happily keeping my stamsorc a Redguard (and my stamDK and probably my stamplar as well).

Gnortranermara · February 2019

LiquidPony wrote: »

No idea why you'd pick Orc for a vMA stamsorc to be honest. Seems like Redguard is far and away the obvious choice for stamsorcs. The build has trashcan sustain and in vMA almost all of your skills are weapon skills (Shrouded Daggers, 'Nado, Rending Slashes, Hail, Poison Injection, and Ballista). Redguard seems like a no-brainer. I'm happily keeping my stamsorc a Redguard (and my stamDK and probably my stamplar as well).

vMA is a burst and survive game. Orc gets more burst and more health.

I don't have sustain problems in vMA, so I don't care about the weapon cost reduction or the recovery on Redguard.

BlueRaven · February 2019

This is an interesting question, I am eager to see an answer.

I am also wondering if all the races have a "meta" best in slot. I am guessing they do not.

SodanTok · February 2019

Evil_Rurouni wrote: »

Magika Templar: Trials healer. - Breton or Altmer
Stamina Templar: Trials stam DPS - Orc
Magika Nightblade: Stealth based content and Ranged magika DPS - Breton or Altmer
Stamina Nightblade: Stealth based content and PvP - Khajiit if ganking, Bosmer if not
Magika Dragonknight: Melee magika DPS - Breton
Stamina Dragonknight: Trials tank - Nord or Imperial
Magika Sorcerer: Pet based magika DPS - Altmer
Stamina Sorcerer: Solo farming overland and in vMA - Redguard
Magika Warden: Dungeon healer - Breton
Stamina Warden: Dungeon Tank - Argonian

And if you had magicka PVP I would put there dunmer to finish it :P

LiquidPony · February 2019

SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

No idea why you'd pick Orc for a vMA stamsorc to be honest. Seems like Redguard is far and away the obvious choice for stamsorcs. The build has trashcan sustain and in vMA almost all of your skills are weapon skills (Shrouded Daggers, 'Nado, Rending Slashes, Hail, Poison Injection, and Ballista). Redguard seems like a no-brainer. I'm happily keeping my stamsorc a Redguard (and my stamDK and probably my stamplar as well).

vMA is a burst and survive game. Orc gets more burst and more health.

I don't have sustain problems in vMA, so I don't care about the weapon cost reduction or the recovery on Redguard.

Even with VO, sustain is rough on an Orc running blue food in vMA, especially on boss rounds where you aren't killing a lot of adds. An Orc with gold food has less health than a Redguard with Blue food and the difference in max stamina makes up most of the Orc's weapon damage advantage.

But if you're comfortable with the low sustain of an Orc with blue food in vMA, a couple of things ...

1. Redguard was already not the optimal racial choice. Might as well be Khajiit on Live.
2. A Redguard running a pure damage set with blue food has about the same sustain as an Orc running VO with blue food, especially on boss rounds. So you could potentially mix up gear sets and get better damage out of the Redguard. I think Veiled Heritance + NMG + Balorgh will be really sweaty on a Redguard stamsorc for boss rounds (or even Leviathan to pair with The Shadow). In fact, you could run the Redguard with Gold food and easily ditch VO altogether, but personally I like the speed bonus during trash rounds. That cheaper Ballista is really nice, too. Easier to use it on minibosses and still have it back up for the boss round.

I've been in vMA on a stamsorc on PTS and I prefer the flexibility of the Redguard. But, to each their own.

Gnortranermara · February 2019

Nah man. There's a certain set combo I use that makes vMA a snoozefest on any class (including totally classless, which I've also done with no problems). It's not something that works everywhere in the game but it gets newbies through vMA as soon as they hit 160 in my guild. Nobody else really uses them because they're not particularly good sets outside of vMA. I've got sustain, healing, and defense all covered. I just need the race to bring raw damage stats.

Banana · February 2019

Breton Orc and a Nord. Dont need the rest