NoTimeToWait wrote: »BrokenString wrote: »NoTimeToWait wrote: »BrokenString wrote: »
There are multiple ways to reduce the risks associated with crown trading to negligible levels. Trading with well-known friends is one option. The other one is to use a guild master that both parties can trust as a broker. Another option is to use established brokerage services that exist on some servers. If you can't manage in-game risks, buy crowns with your money, not gold.
I find currently existing system more interesting one and less buggy than any possible solution ZOS could come up with in couple of month. I think we need more QoL updates, but hopefully not crown-related.
Please stop making excuses for a company that you dont even work for. It is people like you that halt and delay new and useful features. I'm talking about this:
"If you can't manage in-game risks, buy crowns with your money, not gold."
Oh yeah lets all of us take unecessary risks wich could be avoided with a simple trade system or tweaks in the existing one, get scammed and spend hours crying for the support give us the gold back until they finaly do it just to stop wasting time.
Just get out.
Yes. The point is useful. If we came to this, there are lots of things that would be useful for more than couple percent of players that trade crowns. Like better dungeon finder tools or better inventory management UI or many other things that people asked here.
"A simple trade system" is not what comes to mind when you describe in-game trading system involving real money transactions (even real money equivalent). Don't be delusional. Because such systems usually come with customer support, refund system, integrity guarantees and many other things that you didn't have time to think of to actually consider how much effort this might require
BrokenString wrote: »
The easiest thing to do is use a C.O.D. mailing system. The price is set by the seller, and the buyer doesn't get it until it is paid for. 24 hour wait period before the transaction is cancelled.
BrokenString wrote: »
We are talking about a gifting system that some players are using as a currency exchange.
Any attempts to codify this into a currency exchange will only work for material in-game items (gold, gear or consumables) and would leave anyone offering crowns for services (skyreach, vet dungeon or trial carries, for example) in the same situation as everybody who is using gifting as an exchange system now.
So unless you have a solution that covers all scenarios, I have actually thought about this more than you.
BrokenString wrote: »
We are talking about a gifting system that some players are using as a currency exchange.
Any attempts to codify this into a currency exchange will only work for material in-game items (gold, gear or consumables) and would leave anyone offering crowns for services (skyreach, vet dungeon or trial carries, for example) in the same situation as everybody who is using gifting as an exchange system now.
So unless you have a solution that covers all scenarios, I have actually thought about this more than you.
BrokenString wrote: »
We are talking about a gifting system that some players are using as a currency exchange.
Any attempts to codify this into a currency exchange will only work for material in-game items (gold, gear or consumables) and would leave anyone offering crowns for services (skyreach, vet dungeon or trial carries, for example) in the same situation as everybody who is using gifting as an exchange system now.
So unless you have a solution that covers all scenarios, I have actually thought about this more than you.
VaranisArano wrote: »We suggested this on the PTS before Gifting was implemented. For whatever reason, ZOS chose not to despite later clarifying that trading Crown Gifts for Gold is allowed.
I do hope they reconsider and create a proper trading Gifts for Gold UI.
BrokenString wrote: »We all know that a lot of people get scammed and the support have to deal with it. I always bought crowns with gold from a friend because he has a surplus and I would never buy from someone else.
I sugest that zos implement a way to trade crowns in the trade window, like when you sell/buy an item with gold, where both parties can see the currency and confirm the exchange. That would make the trade safe. Also one less thing that ZOS would have to deal with.
BrokenString wrote: »
BrokenString wrote: »
lol whisper me the @name of that guy i want to buy some too, usually prices range around 300-400 gold per crown.
BrokenString wrote: »BrokenString wrote: »
lol whisper me the @name of that guy i want to buy some too, usually prices range around 300-400 gold per crown.
Sorry man, my friend sells to me for that price because well, he is my friend. The around 200 I've seen in guild chats in the US server. Usualy they lower prices for guild mates, I think they would ask more of strangers.
No thank you. As I said in the past, selling crowns (which I do alot) is a trust agreement. If ZoS was to implement an ESO token, like a WoW token, the markets would crash completly. I think if you want to have that in-game to monatary trade you NEED TO trust the person at the other end.
BrokenString wrote: »BrokenString wrote: »
We are talking about a gifting system that some players are using as a currency exchange.
Any attempts to codify this into a currency exchange will only work for material in-game items (gold, gear or consumables) and would leave anyone offering crowns for services (skyreach, vet dungeon or trial carries, for example) in the same situation as everybody who is using gifting as an exchange system now.
So unless you have a solution that covers all scenarios, I have actually thought about this more than you.
Oh really? Then tell us how would ZOS lose in this situation.BrokenString wrote: »
We are talking about a gifting system that some players are using as a currency exchange.
Any attempts to codify this into a currency exchange will only work for material in-game items (gold, gear or consumables) and would leave anyone offering crowns for services (skyreach, vet dungeon or trial carries, for example) in the same situation as everybody who is using gifting as an exchange system now.
So unless you have a solution that covers all scenarios, I have actually thought about this more than you.
Oh really? Then tell us how many times have you traded an in game currency for real money currency? I did once a month for almost four years and never had a problem. Oh and tell us how, in any situation that you stated would be worse for players and bad for ZOS income?
There isn't all scenarios! There is one, gold for crowns, crowns for gold. That is it. One side gold, one side crowns. Gold = Crowns, crowns = gold. One player gives crowns, one player gives gold, both confirm trade after checking if the exchange is correct, and accept or not.
Do you understand now? I dont know any more ways to say in english that is gold for crowns.
No thank you. As I said in the past, selling crowns (which I do alot) is a trust agreement. If ZoS was to implement an ESO token, like a WoW token, the markets would crash completly. I think if you want to have that in-game to monatary trade you NEED TO trust the person at the other end.
You don't need that much trust if they just added same mechanic like trade. But it must be profitable business if crown seller is not advocating this kind of trade mechanic, and they dictate price of gold per crown price ratio with their trust.
Main example here is Tamriel Crown Exchange with 400 gold per 1 crown.
Even there's discounted crown sale is happening they stayed with their price.
BrokenString wrote: »BrokenString wrote: »
We are talking about a gifting system that some players are using as a currency exchange.
Any attempts to codify this into a currency exchange will only work for material in-game items (gold, gear or consumables) and would leave anyone offering crowns for services (skyreach, vet dungeon or trial carries, for example) in the same situation as everybody who is using gifting as an exchange system now.
So unless you have a solution that covers all scenarios, I have actually thought about this more than you.
Oh really? Then tell us how would ZOS lose in this situation.BrokenString wrote: »
We are talking about a gifting system that some players are using as a currency exchange.
Any attempts to codify this into a currency exchange will only work for material in-game items (gold, gear or consumables) and would leave anyone offering crowns for services (skyreach, vet dungeon or trial carries, for example) in the same situation as everybody who is using gifting as an exchange system now.
So unless you have a solution that covers all scenarios, I have actually thought about this more than you.
Oh really? Then tell us how many times have you traded an in game currency for real money currency? I did once a month for almost four years and never had a problem. Oh and tell us how, in any situation that you stated would be worse for players and bad for ZOS income?
There isn't all scenarios! There is one, gold for crowns, crowns for gold. That is it. One side gold, one side crowns. Gold = Crowns, crowns = gold. One player gives crowns, one player gives gold, both confirm trade after checking if the exchange is correct, and accept or not.
Do you understand now? I dont know any more ways to say in english that is gold for crowns.
And what I'm saying is that "gold for crowns and crowns for gold" is not the only exchange that can happen if gifting is available.
For example, say I want the skin from vMoL and I offer a vet Trials group an amount of crowns in exchange for a carry.
Is that different from wanting to trade gold for crowns? How would you protect the parties (both me and the guild in question) in this transaction, since you can't plop an achievement into a trade window?
And no, I have never traded crowns for anything. I'm perfectly capable of getting gold myself, and I only use the gifting system to actually gift stuff to friends.
BrokenString wrote: »
Well to be fair they have TCE that handles buying and selling crowns and have never had any issues. The real fact is that people are trying to buy cheap and end up getting scammed. I often sell crowns on PC NA, but I normally do it for guild mates.
There are many reasons not to like TCE.
1) they are a third party. Zos should have a solution for this, no need for a third party
2) requires discord use. Some people like it, some people don’t.
3) prevents buyers and sellers from negotiating their own terms.
4) my biggest gripe: they take a 10%. They say that you can become verified after a certain volume, but they stonewalled me. They just want to suck you in. They want their cut no matter what.
For all of these reasons, I just sell to my regular customers now when I have extra.
Well to be fair they have TCE that handles buying and selling crowns and have never had any issues. The real fact is that people are trying to buy cheap and end up getting scammed. I often sell crowns on PC NA, but I normally do it for guild mates.
There are many reasons not to like TCE.
1) they are a third party. Zos should have a solution for this, no need for a third party
2) requires discord use. Some people like it, some people don’t.
3) prevents buyers and sellers from negotiating their own terms.
4) my biggest gripe: they take a 10%. They say that you can become verified after a certain volume, but they stonewalled me. They just want to suck you in. They want their cut no matter what.
For all of these reasons, I just sell to my regular customers now when I have extra.
I never said it was ideal. But you don't have to worry about being scammed. The middle person is there to make sure the seller and buyer are on the same page. You pay for guarantees you know?
BrokenString wrote: »
Wow. So rude, and the people who agree with you. What is wrong with you people? Why are you agreeing with someone who is rude? @BrokenString doesn't take their own thinking. @BrokenString is the one who should thing before speaking.
The point of @AlnilamE was that people shouldn't be using a feature for giving others something they don't have to pay for instead of using it as a trade feature. In other words don't use gifting for trading since that is not the purpose of gifting.
So who is the one who should really be thinking before speaking?
BrokenString wrote: »BrokenString wrote: »
We are talking about a gifting system that some players are using as a currency exchange.
Any attempts to codify this into a currency exchange will only work for material in-game items (gold, gear or consumables) and would leave anyone offering crowns for services (skyreach, vet dungeon or trial carries, for example) in the same situation as everybody who is using gifting as an exchange system now.
So unless you have a solution that covers all scenarios, I have actually thought about this more than you.
Oh really? Then tell us how would ZOS lose in this situation.BrokenString wrote: »
We are talking about a gifting system that some players are using as a currency exchange.
Any attempts to codify this into a currency exchange will only work for material in-game items (gold, gear or consumables) and would leave anyone offering crowns for services (skyreach, vet dungeon or trial carries, for example) in the same situation as everybody who is using gifting as an exchange system now.
So unless you have a solution that covers all scenarios, I have actually thought about this more than you.
Oh really? Then tell us how many times have you traded an in game currency for real money currency? I did once a month for almost four years and never had a problem. Oh and tell us how, in any situation that you stated would be worse for players and bad for ZOS income?
There isn't all scenarios! There is one, gold for crowns, crowns for gold. That is it. One side gold, one side crowns. Gold = Crowns, crowns = gold. One player gives crowns, one player gives gold, both confirm trade after checking if the exchange is correct, and accept or not.
Do you understand now? I dont know any more ways to say in english that is gold for crowns.
And what I'm saying is that "gold for crowns and crowns for gold" is not the only exchange that can happen if gifting is available.
For example, say I want the skin from vMoL and I offer a vet Trials group an amount of crowns in exchange for a carry.
Is that different from wanting to trade gold for crowns? How would you protect the parties (both me and the guild in question) in this transaction, since you can't plop an achievement into a trade window?
And no, I have never traded crowns for anything. I'm perfectly capable of getting gold myself, and I only use the gifting system to actually gift stuff to friends.
BrokenString wrote: »I'm not talking about carries for crown or items, it is gold for crowns. If some people want to use the gold crown trade system for other uses, like we do with gifts, they would have to take the risk just like we do now for using an improper system.
Again, it is gold for crowns and vice versa. This is a common practice in mmorpgs and we need this.
People would get scammed with this system by using it for another purposes?
Yes, they would! But please understand that cowns for gold is something that happens a lot, everyday and I'm sure every one of you know someone who got Crowns using gold.
FilteredRiddle wrote: »I still don't understand why we can't simply sell Crowns, but instead must gift items. It'd be far more convenient if we could simply send/give actual Crowns themselves like gold (via mail with or without COD, trade window, etc). If people are found to be exchanging real money in any way, ban them.