Seraphayel wrote: »There are several test parses, Altmer without sustain racials are fine and competitive as much as Bretons without additional Spell damage are.
Every race has their own "niche" where they fit in (Altmer: raw power vs. Breton: sustain) and every race shines on different classes / fights. Magicka DPS is very close together and now after the Khajiit nerf to their crit chance (which was unnecessary btw) Altmer might be the top Magicka DPS. And even if Breton rival them, that's totally fine and healthy for the game.
Seraphayel wrote: »There are several test parses, Altmer without sustain racials are fine and competitive as much as Bretons without additional Spell damage are.
Every race has their own "niche" where they fit in (Altmer: raw power vs. Breton: sustain) and every race shines on different classes / fights. Magicka DPS is very close together and now after the Khajiit nerf to their crit chance (which was unnecessary btw) Altmer might be the top Magicka DPS. And even if Breton rival them, that's totally fine and healthy for the game.
The Khajiit one is situational, magic nerf, Templar and perhaps NB nerf, overall Stamina buff.Seraphayel wrote: »There are several test parses, Altmer without sustain racials are fine and competitive as much as Bretons without additional Spell damage are.
Every race has their own "niche" where they fit in (Altmer: raw power vs. Breton: sustain) and every race shines on different classes / fights. Magicka DPS is very close together and now after the Khajiit nerf to their crit chance (which was unnecessary btw) Altmer might be the top Magicka DPS. And even if Breton rival them, that's totally fine and healthy for the game.
Khajiit change is not a nerf, it's buff if you have standard crit chance, the 99% was a typo.
Seraphayel wrote: »There are several test parses, Altmer without sustain racials are fine and competitive as much as Bretons without additional Spell damage are.
Every race has their own "niche" where they fit in (Altmer: raw power vs. Breton: sustain) and every race shines on different classes / fights. Magicka DPS is very close together and now after the Khajiit nerf to their crit chance (which was unnecessary btw) Altmer might be the top Magicka DPS. And even if Breton rival them, that's totally fine and healthy for the game.
Yes, I agree with you, but the dps tests I saw were prior to the changes to spell recharge. Anyone done any further tests for this patch? And I mean self-buffed tests. I would really like to see how zero racial sustain affects performance.
Seraphayel wrote: »There are several test parses, Altmer without sustain racials are fine and competitive as much as Bretons without additional Spell damage are.
Every race has their own "niche" where they fit in (Altmer: raw power vs. Breton: sustain) and every race shines on different classes / fights. Magicka DPS is very close together and now after the Khajiit nerf to their crit chance (which was unnecessary btw) Altmer might be the top Magicka DPS. And even if Breton rival them, that's totally fine and healthy for the game.
Seraphayel wrote: »There are several test parses, Altmer without sustain racials are fine and competitive as much as Bretons without additional Spell damage are.
Every race has their own "niche" where they fit in (Altmer: raw power vs. Breton: sustain) and every race shines on different classes / fights. Magicka DPS is very close together and now after the Khajiit nerf to their crit chance (which was unnecessary btw) Altmer might be the top Magicka DPS. And even if Breton rival them, that's totally fine and healthy for the game.
validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »You don't need sustain to top DD.
For the 100th time...
validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »You don't need sustain to top DD.
For the 100th time...
Maybe not in PvE, but in PvP sustain is quite important as you cannot afford to spam heavy attacks on magicka builds and don't have some orbs/shard bot providing you with resources and don't have access to unlimited synergies to activate for resources!
validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »You don't need sustain to top DD.
For the 100th time...
validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »You don't need sustain to top DD.
For the 100th time...
Seraphayel wrote: »There are several test parses, Altmer without sustain racials are fine and competitive as much as Bretons without additional Spell damage are.
Every race has their own "niche" where they fit in (Altmer: raw power vs. Breton: sustain) and every race shines on different classes / fights. Magicka DPS is very close together and now after the Khajiit nerf to their crit chance (which was unnecessary btw) Altmer might be the top Magicka DPS. And even if Breton rival them, that's totally fine and healthy for the game.
Yes, I agree with you, but the dps tests I saw were prior to the changes to spell recharge. Anyone done any further tests for this patch? And I mean self-buffed tests. I would really like to see how zero racial sustain affects performance.
What_In_Tarnation wrote: »... since we can safely assume most of players in this game are not so called top DD.
What_In_Tarnation wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »You don't need sustain to top DD.
For the 100th time...
That's basically said most of playerbase here need sustain, since we can safely assume most of players in this game are not so called top DD. But I get what you mean, Altmer can just use recovery enchant and/or magic return wpn enchant.
Seraphayel wrote: »What_In_Tarnation wrote: »... since we can safely assume most of players in this game are not so called top DD.
And that's exactly the reason why all the hysteria is pointless. The racial changes won't impact most of the playerbase because they're not capable of reaching the numbers where it would matter.
What_In_Tarnation wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »What_In_Tarnation wrote: »... since we can safely assume most of players in this game are not so called top DD.
And that's exactly the reason why all the hysteria is pointless. The racial changes won't impact most of the playerbase because they're not capable of reaching the numbers where it would matter.
Well, like you said, the dps parses were really close in week 3 (altmer without sustain passive) and even in week 1 the dps parses werereally close (altmer with sustain passive). So is there any point to take away from it? Since the difference is such minimal. Yea, look at these beautiful we just did and ignore more dynamic fights in pvp.
validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »What_In_Tarnation wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »You don't need sustain to top DD.
For the 100th time...
That's basically said most of playerbase here need sustain, since we can safely assume most of players in this game are not so called top DD. But I get what you mean, Altmer can just use recovery enchant and/or magic return wpn enchant.
Yeah but the point is, if you're not a top DD in a top group, who cares if the passives are *slightly* less good for you? A single regen passive isn't going to sustain your entire rotation if you don't have a good healer and tank feeding you. Racials are far from the real issue for players in that situation.
Seraphayel wrote: »What_In_Tarnation wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »What_In_Tarnation wrote: »... since we can safely assume most of players in this game are not so called top DD.
And that's exactly the reason why all the hysteria is pointless. The racial changes won't impact most of the playerbase because they're not capable of reaching the numbers where it would matter.
Well, like you said, the dps parses were really close in week 3 (altmer without sustain passive) and even in week 1 the dps parses werereally close (altmer with sustain passive). So is there any point to take away from it? Since the difference is such minimal. Yea, look at these beautiful we just did and ignore more dynamic fights in pvp.
Well you mean regarding the Khajiit crit changes or what? Because nothing else changed from 4.3.2 to 4.3.3 regarding Magicka races.
validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »You don't need sustain to top DD.
For the 100th time...
Maybe not in PvE, but in PvP sustain is quite important as you cannot afford to spam heavy attacks on magicka builds and don't have some orbs/shard bot providing you with resources and don't have access to unlimited synergies to activate for resources!
That’s why you could also split it. As primairy stat sustain is also important in PvP. You cannot base your statement purely on a zerg, which is sh*t PvP.validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »You don't need sustain to top DD.
For the 100th time...
Maybe not in PvE, but in PvP sustain is quite important as you cannot afford to spam heavy attacks on magicka builds and don't have some orbs/shard bot providing you with resources and don't have access to unlimited synergies to activate for resources!
The stam return is way better for pvp than the magica return. Unless you zerg then it doesn't matter. For small group/solo it will be a very nice thing to have.
What_In_Tarnation wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »What_In_Tarnation wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »What_In_Tarnation wrote: »... since we can safely assume most of players in this game are not so called top DD.
And that's exactly the reason why all the hysteria is pointless. The racial changes won't impact most of the playerbase because they're not capable of reaching the numbers where it would matter.
Well, like you said, the dps parses were really close in week 3 (altmer without sustain passive) and even in week 1 the dps parses werereally close (altmer with sustain passive). So is there any point to take away from it? Since the difference is such minimal. Yea, look at these beautiful we just did and ignore more dynamic fights in pvp.
Well you mean regarding the Khajiit crit changes or what? Because nothing else changed from 4.3.2 to 4.3.3 regarding Magicka races.
You just ignore my whole point, they were not doing any crazy dps compared with other magicka races since week 1. thous is that the sustain nerf really necessary?
The +20% resources was not in 4.3.2 because of bugs.Seraphayel wrote: »What_In_Tarnation wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »What_In_Tarnation wrote: »... since we can safely assume most of players in this game are not so called top DD.
And that's exactly the reason why all the hysteria is pointless. The racial changes won't impact most of the playerbase because they're not capable of reaching the numbers where it would matter.
Well, like you said, the dps parses were really close in week 3 (altmer without sustain passive) and even in week 1 the dps parses werereally close (altmer with sustain passive). So is there any point to take away from it? Since the difference is such minimal. Yea, look at these beautiful we just did and ignore more dynamic fights in pvp.
Well you mean regarding the Khajiit crit changes or what? Because nothing else changed from 4.3.2 to 4.3.3 regarding Magicka races.
What_In_Tarnation wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »What_In_Tarnation wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »You don't need sustain to top DD.
For the 100th time...
That's basically said most of playerbase here need sustain, since we can safely assume most of players in this game are not so called top DD. But I get what you mean, Altmer can just use recovery enchant and/or magic return wpn enchant.
Yeah but the point is, if you're not a top DD in a top group, who cares if the passives are *slightly* less good for you? A single regen passive isn't going to sustain your entire rotation if you don't have a good healer and tank feeding you. Racials are far from the real issue for players in that situation.
So we're just ignore the whole racial passive now? You're not top DD, so racial passives should just automatically not impact you now. How convenient
validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »What_In_Tarnation wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »What_In_Tarnation wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »You don't need sustain to top DD.
For the 100th time...
That's basically said most of playerbase here need sustain, since we can safely assume most of players in this game are not so called top DD. But I get what you mean, Altmer can just use recovery enchant and/or magic return wpn enchant.
Yeah but the point is, if you're not a top DD in a top group, who cares if the passives are *slightly* less good for you? A single regen passive isn't going to sustain your entire rotation if you don't have a good healer and tank feeding you. Racials are far from the real issue for players in that situation.
So we're just ignore the whole racial passive now? You're not top DD, so racial passives should just automatically not impact you now. How convenient
Just slot a freaking recovery enchant on one of your rings ffs. If you're not hitting the high end you have way more build diversity and a whole host of options open up, because you dont have to live your life trying to min-max every tiny aspect of potential builds. So few people realize this. These changes are so inconsequential to anyone but the very top.
Seraphayel wrote: »What_In_Tarnation wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »What_In_Tarnation wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »What_In_Tarnation wrote: »... since we can safely assume most of players in this game are not so called top DD.
And that's exactly the reason why all the hysteria is pointless. The racial changes won't impact most of the playerbase because they're not capable of reaching the numbers where it would matter.
Well, like you said, the dps parses were really close in week 3 (altmer without sustain passive) and even in week 1 the dps parses werereally close (altmer with sustain passive). So is there any point to take away from it? Since the difference is such minimal. Yea, look at these beautiful we just did and ignore more dynamic fights in pvp.
Well you mean regarding the Khajiit crit changes or what? Because nothing else changed from 4.3.2 to 4.3.3 regarding Magicka races.
You just ignore my whole point, they were not doing any crazy dps compared with other magicka races since week 1. thous is that the sustain nerf really necessary?
In the 4.3.2 parses all Magicka races were very close together. Altmer was on top in some occassions while Khajiit were pulling ahead in others. Now Khajiit were nerfed a bit and Altmer will most likely be the top Magicka DPS again - what exactly do you want more? They don't need another passive that makes their Magicka DPS better, they're already excellent in that regard.
... Oh wait, there are absolutely no changes! Does it mean that we are stuck with that useless stamina return? That would mean they have effectively taken that 9% magicka regen bonus and thrown it into oblivion!
Has anyone done any dps testing between Breton and Altmer yet? I understand they hit harder, but what's the point if they can't sustain? I'd really be interested to see the results of a self-buffed 6mil test (I'm on console)