Bigevilpeter wrote: »really this set has killed stamina DDs in PvE, its damage is insane on parses and puts every other set to shame. The effects itself add like 7k dps to parses making stamina DD seem much stronger than they are.
Now devs saw it fit to nerf weapon enchantments for DW and thus nerfing Stamdds. Those who use any other set will just to horrible damage compared to magicka and still be melee so higher risk.
Plz nerf this stupid set, its ruining PvE stamina DD
Lord_Dexter wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »really this set has killed stamina DDs in PvE, its damage is insane on parses and puts every other set to shame. The effects itself add like 7k dps to parses making stamina DD seem much stronger than they are.
Now devs saw it fit to nerf weapon enchantments for DW and thus nerfing Stamdds. Those who use any other set will just to horrible damage compared to magicka and still be melee so higher risk.
Plz nerf this stupid set, its ruining PvE stamina DD
DW enchantment nerf is part of balance, it was giving double bonus.
Bigevilpeter wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »really this set has killed stamina DDs in PvE, its damage is insane on parses and puts every other set to shame. The effects itself add like 7k dps to parses making stamina DD seem much stronger than they are.
Now devs saw it fit to nerf weapon enchantments for DW and thus nerfing Stamdds. Those who use any other set will just to horrible damage compared to magicka and still be melee so higher risk.
Plz nerf this stupid set, its ruining PvE stamina DD
DW enchantment nerf is part of balance, it was giving double bonus.
Yes but in practice it is mainly used by stamina PvE DD 90% of the time, even if it makes sense this is a direct nerf to something that already wasnt in a good spot, hence why this change is fine, but relequen should be nerfed and stamina DD should be buffed
Bigevilpeter wrote: »stamina DD should be buffed
Nerf relequen, AY, Siroria, SS, fair deal?
Lets all farm again right?
Wolf_Watching wrote: »Go away nerfomancers!
Wolf_Watching wrote: »Go away nerfomancers!
or maybe go away really overperforming single set destroying entire stam builds efficiency and diversity
SaintSubwayy wrote: »Nerf relequen, AY, Siroria, SS, fair deal?
Lets all farm again right?
it doesnt have to be nerfed into oblivion m8 (even that would likle ybe the option ZOS would pick)
I slight nerf to Relequen would not hurt, but make other sets more competitive in PVE
TBH SS, and Siroria are very very niche sets IMO.
Fights moving, and there's adds etc. they both become "underperforming" due to the DMG loss on minibosses or adds.
BSW is the alternative and its already widely used in trials like vCR+x, or vAS +1 /+2. dont see the need for nerfs there tbh.
Ofc they are strong in fight like vAA Mage, where the boss is jsut chilling, and nothing else needs hard focus.
but the "problem" with relequen is, that it can bekept up 100% of the time, due to bows light attacks on ranged. never dropping those 8k dps
Wolf_Watching wrote: »
SaintSubwayy wrote: »Nerf relequen, AY, Siroria, SS, fair deal?
Lets all farm again right?
it doesnt have to be nerfed into oblivion m8 (even that would likle ybe the option ZOS would pick)
I slight nerf to Relequen would not hurt, but make other sets more competitive in PVE
TBH SS, and Siroria are very very niche sets IMO.
Fights moving, and there's adds etc. they both become "underperforming" due to the DMG loss on minibosses or adds.
BSW is the alternative and its already widely used in trials like vCR+x, or vAS +1 /+2. dont see the need for nerfs there tbh.
Ofc they are strong in fight like vAA Mage, where the boss is jsut chilling, and nothing else needs hard focus.
but the "problem" with relequen is, that it can bekept up 100% of the time, due to bows light attacks on ranged. never dropping those 8k dps
Rele is niche too and inflated w/dummies like everything else.
Lord_Dexter wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »really this set has killed stamina DDs in PvE, its damage is insane on parses and puts every other set to shame. The effects itself add like 7k dps to parses making stamina DD seem much stronger than they are.
Now devs saw it fit to nerf weapon enchantments for DW and thus nerfing Stamdds. Those who use any other set will just to horrible damage compared to magicka and still be melee so higher risk.
Plz nerf this stupid set, its ruining PvE stamina DD
DW enchantment nerf is part of balance, it was giving double bonus.
Yes but in practice it is mainly used by stamina PvE DD 90% of the time, even if it makes sense this is a direct nerf to something that already wasnt in a good spot, hence why this change is fine, but relequen should be nerfed and stamina DD should be buffed
#SupportBalance and be fair please!
Bigevilpeter wrote: »Wolf_Watching wrote: »
SaintSubwayy wrote: »Nerf relequen, AY, Siroria, SS, fair deal?
Lets all farm again right?
it doesnt have to be nerfed into oblivion m8 (even that would likle ybe the option ZOS would pick)
I slight nerf to Relequen would not hurt, but make other sets more competitive in PVE
TBH SS, and Siroria are very very niche sets IMO.
Fights moving, and there's adds etc. they both become "underperforming" due to the DMG loss on minibosses or adds.
BSW is the alternative and its already widely used in trials like vCR+x, or vAS +1 /+2. dont see the need for nerfs there tbh.
Ofc they are strong in fight like vAA Mage, where the boss is jsut chilling, and nothing else needs hard focus.
but the "problem" with relequen is, that it can bekept up 100% of the time, due to bows light attacks on ranged. never dropping those 8k dps
Rele is niche too and inflated w/dummies like everything else.
its still better than everything else in non optimal situations
There are too many garbage sets in the game, nerf relequen cannot fix the problem.
End game players will still find out the best setup.
Its not possible to nerf every meta set monthly.
Zos has already killed NMG, sunnerflame in trial, almost all proc sets, enchancement next, not enough?
There are too many garbage sets in the game, nerf relequen cannot fix the problem.
End game players will still find out the best setup.
Its not possible to nerf every meta set monthly.
Zos has already killed NMG, sunnerflame in trial, almost all proc sets, enchancement next, not enough?
but this nerf would open more doors than 1 with more viable sets
we had more than single viable set for stam dd before releq release and what we have now? only releq or no dps, this is difference
as someone was mentioned this before - no any set is giving you that huge dps boost like this (7k-10k) and if not this set then we could have option of atlaast 2-3 other sets to use instad of this 1 on every class
Wolf_Watching wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Wolf_Watching wrote: »
SaintSubwayy wrote: »Nerf relequen, AY, Siroria, SS, fair deal?
Lets all farm again right?
it doesnt have to be nerfed into oblivion m8 (even that would likle ybe the option ZOS would pick)
I slight nerf to Relequen would not hurt, but make other sets more competitive in PVE
TBH SS, and Siroria are very very niche sets IMO.
Fights moving, and there's adds etc. they both become "underperforming" due to the DMG loss on minibosses or adds.
BSW is the alternative and its already widely used in trials like vCR+x, or vAS +1 /+2. dont see the need for nerfs there tbh.
Ofc they are strong in fight like vAA Mage, where the boss is jsut chilling, and nothing else needs hard focus.
but the "problem" with relequen is, that it can bekept up 100% of the time, due to bows light attacks on ranged. never dropping those 8k dps
Rele is niche too and inflated w/dummies like everything else.
its still better than everything else in non optimal situations
Right and it never should've been released, but... I don't think it should go away completely. What should happen is the proc should go away & should be changed to something w/slightly better damage than the next best set when filled in its place.
Wolf_Watching wrote: »There are too many garbage sets in the game, nerf relequen cannot fix the problem.
End game players will still find out the best setup.
Its not possible to nerf every meta set monthly.
Zos has already killed NMG, sunnerflame in trial, almost all proc sets, enchancement next, not enough?
but this nerf would open more doors than 1 with more viable sets
we had more than single viable set for stam dd before releq release and what we have now? only releq or no dps, this is difference
as someone was mentioned this before - no any set is giving you that huge dps boost like this (7k-10k) and if not this set then we could have option of atlaast 2-3 other sets to use instad of this 1 on every class
Next it will be vma bow & staff. Get the nerf train rolling w/broad statements like this & watch what happens.
Wolf_Watching wrote: »There are too many garbage sets in the game, nerf relequen cannot fix the problem.
End game players will still find out the best setup.
Its not possible to nerf every meta set monthly.
Zos has already killed NMG, sunnerflame in trial, almost all proc sets, enchancement next, not enough?
but this nerf would open more doors than 1 with more viable sets
we had more than single viable set for stam dd before releq release and what we have now? only releq or no dps, this is difference
as someone was mentioned this before - no any set is giving you that huge dps boost like this (7k-10k) and if not this set then we could have option of atlaast 2-3 other sets to use instad of this 1 on every class
Next it will be vma bow & staff. Get the nerf train rolling w/broad statements like this & watch what happens.
and with it people are fine for yours now...but ofc there was also nerf for vma bow but master bow also is good option instead of vma so no need to nerf it that much
these sets are taking single slots, just single weapon while not taking away our full set diversty and that huge difference like stupid relequen....
how much difference in dps these items are making? 1k? 2k? 3? I doubt this is making more than 3k dps difference while perfected relequen can do up to even 10k and this is PROC SET while maelstrom dont even are close to proc sets..these are buffing single things which you need to use in combat to make use of them, not to only spam LA like releq
Wolf_Watching wrote: »Wolf_Watching wrote: »There are too many garbage sets in the game, nerf relequen cannot fix the problem.
End game players will still find out the best setup.
Its not possible to nerf every meta set monthly.
Zos has already killed NMG, sunnerflame in trial, almost all proc sets, enchancement next, not enough?
but this nerf would open more doors than 1 with more viable sets
we had more than single viable set for stam dd before releq release and what we have now? only releq or no dps, this is difference
as someone was mentioned this before - no any set is giving you that huge dps boost like this (7k-10k) and if not this set then we could have option of atlaast 2-3 other sets to use instad of this 1 on every class
Next it will be vma bow & staff. Get the nerf train rolling w/broad statements like this & watch what happens.
and with it people are fine for yours now...but ofc there was also nerf for vma bow but master bow also is good option instead of vma so no need to nerf it that much
these sets are taking single slots, just single weapon while not taking away our full set diversty and that huge difference like stupid relequen....
how much difference in dps these items are making? 1k? 2k? 3? I doubt this is making more than 3k dps difference while perfected relequen can do up to even 10k and this is PROC SET while maelstrom dont even are close to proc sets..these are buffing single things which you need to use in combat to make use of them, not to only spam LA like releq
3-4k for 1 backbar weapon is insane
Wolf_Watching wrote: »Wolf_Watching wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Wolf_Watching wrote: »
SaintSubwayy wrote: »Nerf relequen, AY, Siroria, SS, fair deal?
Lets all farm again right?
it doesnt have to be nerfed into oblivion m8 (even that would likle ybe the option ZOS would pick)
I slight nerf to Relequen would not hurt, but make other sets more competitive in PVE
TBH SS, and Siroria are very very niche sets IMO.
Fights moving, and there's adds etc. they both become "underperforming" due to the DMG loss on minibosses or adds.
BSW is the alternative and its already widely used in trials like vCR+x, or vAS +1 /+2. dont see the need for nerfs there tbh.
Ofc they are strong in fight like vAA Mage, where the boss is jsut chilling, and nothing else needs hard focus.
but the "problem" with relequen is, that it can bekept up 100% of the time, due to bows light attacks on ranged. never dropping those 8k dps
Rele is niche too and inflated w/dummies like everything else.
its still better than everything else in non optimal situations
Right and it never should've been released, but... I don't think it should go away completely. What should happen is the proc should go away & should be changed to something w/slightly better damage than the next best set when filled in its place.
Or increase the dmg from the proc and decrease its time active to 3 or 2 seconds to make it more niche & encourage tight weaving & less free dmg.
Wolf_Watching wrote: »Wolf_Watching wrote: »There are too many garbage sets in the game, nerf relequen cannot fix the problem.
End game players will still find out the best setup.
Its not possible to nerf every meta set monthly.
Zos has already killed NMG, sunnerflame in trial, almost all proc sets, enchancement next, not enough?
but this nerf would open more doors than 1 with more viable sets
we had more than single viable set for stam dd before releq release and what we have now? only releq or no dps, this is difference
as someone was mentioned this before - no any set is giving you that huge dps boost like this (7k-10k) and if not this set then we could have option of atlaast 2-3 other sets to use instad of this 1 on every class
Next it will be vma bow & staff. Get the nerf train rolling w/broad statements like this & watch what happens.
and with it people are fine for yours now...but ofc there was also nerf for vma bow but master bow also is good option instead of vma so no need to nerf it that much
these sets are taking single slots, just single weapon while not taking away our full set diversty and that huge difference like stupid relequen....
how much difference in dps these items are making? 1k? 2k? 3? I doubt this is making more than 3k dps difference while perfected relequen can do up to even 10k and this is PROC SET while maelstrom dont even are close to proc sets..these are buffing single things which you need to use in combat to make use of them, not to only spam LA like releq
3-4k for 1 backbar weapon is insane
insnae is 10k difference from any other set in game locking you with this set if you want to be at good level, these backbars not that much and not always it is worth to use staff and vma bow can be replaced with master bow for single target while releqy have no any option to be replaced