seipher09 wrote: »

I am a huge pve player. Love the story and the classes and feel of the game. Recently decided I really want a shield that's only achievable from battlegrounds.

I said what the heck let's try it. First few matches went pretty bad, once I learned the exact goals and maps the games got really bad. Once I got a real feel for it it became the most annoying thing I've ever done in any of the 10ish mmos I've really invested time into.

As a huge pve player I always thought people on the forums just liked to whine about PvP. But after doing it I truly realized this games balance and PvP is just pure awful!!

Between the constant constant stuns hitting me breaking free became useless as the stamina cost hurts to bad so when I get stunned by certain hits it's useless to try without multiple teammates directly near you fighting. The aoes are just all over like crazy, certain nightblade builds are just insanely stupid making it impossible to even attempt to fight back.

Wow this game has great pve but zos...Just delete PvP you failed so hard at it in nearly every single balance aspect. Please play your game and see how broken it is.

PvE player goes into PvP and cant stomp so comes to forums to cry..

That's it folks, wrap it up.

Most the complaints I see on the forum remind me of a story someone told me when I was in school. This person worked for a tech company and a client called in and said their printer was broken.. they cried and cried about how they needed it fixed now. Well the tech company sent out someone to fix the problem. The person drove 90 min to fix the printer. Guess what? The printer was not broken, it was out of paper.

So many complaints about nothing. PvP is fine, nothing is really OP. I really think it takes a special type of person to handle the pressure of playing pvp. Somethings may need tweaked a little but nothing to cry about except for lag and population balance.

I play BG very aggressively. You have around 15 min to totally destroy the enemy. I'm not a very strong player, but I put a lot of pressure on the enemy while my team kills them. Organized groups are a pain but I don't run into them every single match.

Premades and BG should not be a thing... Rejections should not be allowed... PERIOD, you get the hand your are dealt and make it work.

u didnt even share ur class so i cant give u any specific advice

I agree that pvp in this game is not well balanced, but tbh I don’t think you are in a position to even talk about balance now. No offense. I came from pve at first as well and know the pain when learning pvp.

Balance is a thing only when you have fully learned your class, your skills and all necessary pvp knowledge. Everything before this is purely l2p. Since you are from pve, I guess you run into BG with full divine dps set, no impen gears, nothing to protect you or help you sustain. Pve and pvp function differently in this game. You will need different sets, you will need more balanced stat instead of just stacking magicka or stamina like in pve. You need heavy armor at first for better survival. You need impen trait to protect you against enemy crits. Yes the cc spamming is annoying, but when you play against vet players you will find that they can break free easily and wreck you no matter how hard you cc them. There’s much more to learn.

Believe me you are only fighting many new players as well because of the match making system. The system sucks sometimes but it still tries to put players of similar levels together. I can tell the difference when I play my main and my new toon. What you faced are probably potatoes to others.

Again this game is not perfectly balanced, but please learn more before blaming others. BG is already more balanced cuz of no CP and even group. Tell me what’s balance when you see those unkillable 1vX build and large zergs in Cyrodill.

After you know more about pvp and get the hands of it, you may begin to love it like I do. I am mostly a pve solo player, but that doesn’t stop me from getting merciless title and emperor. It just takes time and effort like everything else.

At this point impen is a must for almost any pvp build. I run 8 pieces with it and it works fine. I remember when I started pvp and was being one shoted with criticals left and right by archers. I say again, its about knowing your enemies, if youre getting killed because of slows, use a skill to counter that, if cloaked characters are sneaking up on you, there's a counter for that too. Real experience is everything.

Play, lose, learn, adapt.

Edit: today I fought a Warlord guy in a bg with the same class, same race and same monster set because of helmet appearence, I'm Captain. Boy did he mop the floor with my face

seipher09 wrote: »

Wow this game has great pve but zos...Just delete PvP you failed so hard at it in nearly every single balance aspect. Please play your game and see how broken it is.

"I'm great at PvE but I can't win at PvP, PvP is broken."

I'm not making fun of you but that's basically your logic here. Most everyone knows the two game modes are very separate and if you want to succeed at both, require you to invest in making a separate build solely for PvP. You need to invest in Crit Resist, raise your Stam recovery so you can dodge and break free, or use immovable potions to become immune. I myself have gone only halfway as a Stamina Nightblade dps in PvE is a glass cannon in PvP. I'm able to give hits but I cannot survive them either but thats fine enough.

Since fighting players is too different than fighting an NPC there never will be actual balance between the two. Why do you think Battle Spirit exists where we're given 5,000 more health but shields and healing is reduced 50%? In PvE mobs don't hit us as hard and fast as a player and our healing is too strong. If that carried over into PvP no one would win a fight cause we'd heal through everything unless you specialized in ganking, which is already the case a lot of the time but would be way worse without those changes.

If you can't somehow find a way to make your character work in PvP but you still want that shield style then all you can do is try and let the three others you're grouped with do most the heavy lifting, maybe submit yourself as the bait/decoy.

I gave up on pvp here. Why? Well I think it could be fun, but after watching a couple of streamers and seeing how much time and thought they put into making builds, the fact that one of those guys can melt me in half a second, that they actually can group so they can melt me 4 times faster, the non responsiveness of my skills (maybe because of my 250 ms lag) ... All this it's just too much. I'm obviously not blaming those guys... Go ahead and have fun, really. But I will never going to be competitive enough with the little time I'm willing to spend on preparing builds and learning.

Sound like l2p issue.

MattT1988 wrote: »

I’ll bet you anything the OP is running a PvE set up with no impen at all.

Yeah, PvE players forget that PvP players will do anything in their power to kill the opponent, that includes adapting the playstyle 100% for PvP.

Honestly a good PvP player will adapt to any kind of content in the game with ease (even the hardest PvE content), but a good PvE player will always have troubles adapting to PvP... That's because there's no established meta for PvP, there's no BiS sets, there's no rotation to follow, you just use whatever works for you.

Also you are not playing against an IA that at the end of the day is programmed to lose if you play the right sequence. You are playing against other people who wants to win as much as you do or even more than you.

You need to outsmart your opponents, confuse them, take advantage of their mistakes and use the small windows to burst them down, that's the core of PvP.

What I like about the PvP of this game is that there's no limit for how good someone could be. Just when you think you are finally good, you find someone with the weirdest build who destroy you in seconds.

I like how guild wars 1 had a random arena and then a team arena to seperate PUGs from PreMades.

Chelo wrote: »

MattT1988 wrote: »

I’ll bet you anything the OP is running a PvE set up with no impen at all.

Yeah, PvE players forget that PvP players will do anything in their power to kill the opponent, that includes adapting the playstyle 100% for PvP.

Honestly a good PvP player will adapt to any kind of content in the game with ease (even the hardest PvE content), but a good PvE player will always have troubles adapting to PvP... That's because there's no established meta for PvP, there's no BiS sets, there's no rotation to follow, you just use whatever works for you.

Also you are not playing against an IA that at the end of the day is programmed to lose if you play the right sequence. You are playing against other people who wants to win as much as you do or even more than you.

You need to outsmart your opponents, confuse them, take advantage of their mistakes and use the small windows to burst them down, that's the core of PvP.

What I like about the PvP of this game is that there's no limit for how good someone could be. Just when you think you are finally good, you find someone with the weirdest build who destroy you in seconds.

Your right when you say that fighting in PVP is harder then PVE "easy mode" but you are 100% in the wrong talking about there is no meta and no bis in PVP especially when it comes to BGs since BGs is the easiest part of this game it's full on meta and bis gear since that's all it is. The best cheese gear in the game runs BGs since you don't have to worry about CP you can just go with a fill cheese setup and let your gear carry you to victory in BGs.