validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »Khajiit will just pick up sorrow instead of strategist and propably they are become a much bigger monster dps than they were.
People just dont know right now. For sure they can now do some mad stacking of crit damage, but its only 10% more than anyone could do before, and at the cost of 8% chance.
Really got to wait on some testing on this one.
Khajiit nb/templar can achiv with new passiv almost 70% crit dmg with horn etc. So its a bit broken on trials.
validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »clocksstoppe wrote: »Why did they dumpster khajiit
They didn't, it's even better than before. It's now crit damage done which is way more helpful than the added crit chance. You can already get high spell it weapon crit, especially on NB which is were khajiit would have been focused. Now they basically get a free crit damage Mindy's stone...
while highelf and woodelf are basically useless. With darkelf being much better than highelf and Breton and khajiit running laps around them both.. I don't think I need to get in to why woodelf is bad but I don't care what you to to stealth detection tied to rolldodging it's still useless and whoa hoo last patch they got 1500 physical and spell pen, one of which is never going to help anyone
Totally wrong.
Just stop.
Crunch the numbers and do some tests before spamming the ignorant overreactions to patch notes.
It is a *slight* buff to builds with high crit chance and a *slight* nerf to builds with low crit chance. In other words, in broad strokes, it buffs Khajiit stam DPS (particularly stamblades and stamplars) and it nerfs Khajiit magicka DPS.
Oh whatever you win with khajiit, IDC
Point is there's still 0 reason to pick a highelf or woodelf over anything else that's what I'm pissed about. Couldn't care less about khajiit
Why is there no reason to pick Altmer, if you really care about getting every tiny bit of DPS? They're still the BIS magDD race...
Not that much of a dps increase and dummer gets fire resistance which is everywhere in pve
In PvP the 1.8k Stam is better than the Stam return especially with the recently changes to CP giving more to max pools. Mag doesn't need high Stam Regen in fights. You use alot of Stam quickly so the max Stam is better
validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »Khajiit will just pick up sorrow instead of strategist and propably they are become a much bigger monster dps than they were.
People just dont know right now. For sure they can now do some mad stacking of crit damage, but its only 10% more than anyone could do before, and at the cost of 8% chance.
Really got to wait on some testing on this one.
Khajiit nb/templar can achiv with new passiv almost 70% crit dmg with horn etc. So its a bit broken on trials.
Personally, I dont see it being 'broken', but I can see it potentially being a buff. In reality I dont think anyone has much of a clue. Both passives are quite strong, the only thing we can say for sure is the Shadow buff no longer dis-proportionally favors Furries, which I think its safe to say was the main reasoning for the change.validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »clocksstoppe wrote: »Why did they dumpster khajiit
They didn't, it's even better than before. It's now crit damage done which is way more helpful than the added crit chance. You can already get high spell it weapon crit, especially on NB which is were khajiit would have been focused. Now they basically get a free crit damage Mindy's stone...
while highelf and woodelf are basically useless. With darkelf being much better than highelf and Breton and khajiit running laps around them both.. I don't think I need to get in to why woodelf is bad but I don't care what you to to stealth detection tied to rolldodging it's still useless and whoa hoo last patch they got 1500 physical and spell pen, one of which is never going to help anyone
Totally wrong.
Just stop.
Crunch the numbers and do some tests before spamming the ignorant overreactions to patch notes.
It is a *slight* buff to builds with high crit chance and a *slight* nerf to builds with low crit chance. In other words, in broad strokes, it buffs Khajiit stam DPS (particularly stamblades and stamplars) and it nerfs Khajiit magicka DPS.
Oh whatever you win with khajiit, IDC
Point is there's still 0 reason to pick a highelf or woodelf over anything else that's what I'm pissed about. Couldn't care less about khajiit
Why is there no reason to pick Altmer, if you really care about getting every tiny bit of DPS? They're still the BIS magDD race...
Not that much of a dps increase and dummer gets fire resistance which is everywhere in pve
In PvP the 1.8k Stam is better than the Stam return especially with the recently changes to CP giving more to max pools. Mag doesn't need high Stam Regen in fights. You use alot of Stam quickly so the max Stam is better
Now this is more of an argument I can agree with. Suggest something else by all means, but recognize the choice ZOS made by removing the mag regen (and why they did it) and dont ask for something that either equates to reverting the change or giving Altmer even more DPS than they already have. (Never suggest a buff to top the already DPS, people will just laugh at you).
That said, I think you're under estimating the utility you get from that stamina. Try to understand that better and you will be able to make a better argument for a replacement or change.
validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »
I dont think so, If u saw tests parses, Bretons with Khajiits dominates as Magicka races on parses on each pts patch. Orcs with Redguard had the same dps before buff changes for Orcs. Dont tell me I spread wrong information when you doing this at each post with "dont nerf orcs".
Breton is NOT top DD by a long shot. 258 wep damage is a HUGE loss if you're trying to max out damage. The sustain is nice, but in a propper PVE environment you only need it if you want to heal or maybe tank.
Khajiits have just "received" a major nerf to Magic damage in the CP change.
Calm down buddy.
validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »Khajiit will just pick up sorrow instead of strategist and propably they are become a much bigger monster dps than they were.
People just dont know right now. For sure they can now do some mad stacking of crit damage, but its only 10% more than anyone could do before, and at the cost of 8% chance.
Really got to wait on some testing on this one.
Khajiit nb/templar can achiv with new passiv almost 70% crit dmg with horn etc. So its a bit broken on trials.
Personally, I dont see it being 'broken', but I can see it potentially being a buff. In reality I dont think anyone has much of a clue. Both passives are quite strong, the only thing we can say for sure is the Shadow buff no longer dis-proportionally favors Furries, which I think its safe to say was the main reasoning for the change.validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »clocksstoppe wrote: »Why did they dumpster khajiit
They didn't, it's even better than before. It's now crit damage done which is way more helpful than the added crit chance. You can already get high spell it weapon crit, especially on NB which is were khajiit would have been focused. Now they basically get a free crit damage Mindy's stone...
while highelf and woodelf are basically useless. With darkelf being much better than highelf and Breton and khajiit running laps around them both.. I don't think I need to get in to why woodelf is bad but I don't care what you to to stealth detection tied to rolldodging it's still useless and whoa hoo last patch they got 1500 physical and spell pen, one of which is never going to help anyone
Totally wrong.
Just stop.
Crunch the numbers and do some tests before spamming the ignorant overreactions to patch notes.
It is a *slight* buff to builds with high crit chance and a *slight* nerf to builds with low crit chance. In other words, in broad strokes, it buffs Khajiit stam DPS (particularly stamblades and stamplars) and it nerfs Khajiit magicka DPS.
Oh whatever you win with khajiit, IDC
Point is there's still 0 reason to pick a highelf or woodelf over anything else that's what I'm pissed about. Couldn't care less about khajiit
Why is there no reason to pick Altmer, if you really care about getting every tiny bit of DPS? They're still the BIS magDD race...
Not that much of a dps increase and dummer gets fire resistance which is everywhere in pve
In PvP the 1.8k Stam is better than the Stam return especially with the recently changes to CP giving more to max pools. Mag doesn't need high Stam Regen in fights. You use alot of Stam quickly so the max Stam is better
Now this is more of an argument I can agree with. Suggest something else by all means, but recognize the choice ZOS made by removing the mag regen (and why they did it) and dont ask for something that either equates to reverting the change or giving Altmer even more DPS than they already have. (Never suggest a buff to top the already DPS, people will just laugh at you).
That said, I think you're under estimating the utility you get from that stamina. Try to understand that better and you will be able to make a better argument for a replacement or change.
Idk the fire resistance + the 1.8k+ Stam just makes dark elf seem alot better than getting 600 Stam back ever rotation with a reduction to damage while your casting or channeling, especially with how few casting and channeling abilitys are used in rotations. I see that maybe helping out Templar but not much else and even then it still doesn't seem on par with 2k fire damage resistance
validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »Khajiit will just pick up sorrow instead of strategist and propably they are become a much bigger monster dps than they were.
People just dont know right now. For sure they can now do some mad stacking of crit damage, but its only 10% more than anyone could do before, and at the cost of 8% chance.
Really got to wait on some testing on this one.
Khajiit nb/templar can achiv with new passiv almost 70% crit dmg with horn etc. So its a bit broken on trials.
Personally, I dont see it being 'broken', but I can see it potentially being a buff. In reality I dont think anyone has much of a clue. Both passives are quite strong, the only thing we can say for sure is the Shadow buff no longer dis-proportionally favors Furries, which I think its safe to say was the main reasoning for the change.validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »clocksstoppe wrote: »Why did they dumpster khajiit
They didn't, it's even better than before. It's now crit damage done which is way more helpful than the added crit chance. You can already get high spell it weapon crit, especially on NB which is were khajiit would have been focused. Now they basically get a free crit damage Mindy's stone...
while highelf and woodelf are basically useless. With darkelf being much better than highelf and Breton and khajiit running laps around them both.. I don't think I need to get in to why woodelf is bad but I don't care what you to to stealth detection tied to rolldodging it's still useless and whoa hoo last patch they got 1500 physical and spell pen, one of which is never going to help anyone
Totally wrong.
Just stop.
Crunch the numbers and do some tests before spamming the ignorant overreactions to patch notes.
It is a *slight* buff to builds with high crit chance and a *slight* nerf to builds with low crit chance. In other words, in broad strokes, it buffs Khajiit stam DPS (particularly stamblades and stamplars) and it nerfs Khajiit magicka DPS.
Oh whatever you win with khajiit, IDC
Point is there's still 0 reason to pick a highelf or woodelf over anything else that's what I'm pissed about. Couldn't care less about khajiit
Why is there no reason to pick Altmer, if you really care about getting every tiny bit of DPS? They're still the BIS magDD race...
Not that much of a dps increase and dummer gets fire resistance which is everywhere in pve
In PvP the 1.8k Stam is better than the Stam return especially with the recently changes to CP giving more to max pools. Mag doesn't need high Stam Regen in fights. You use alot of Stam quickly so the max Stam is better
Now this is more of an argument I can agree with. Suggest something else by all means, but recognize the choice ZOS made by removing the mag regen (and why they did it) and dont ask for something that either equates to reverting the change or giving Altmer even more DPS than they already have. (Never suggest a buff to top the already DPS, people will just laugh at you).
That said, I think you're under estimating the utility you get from that stamina. Try to understand that better and you will be able to make a better argument for a replacement or change.
Idk the fire resistance + the 1.8k+ Stam just makes dark elf seem alot better than getting 600 Stam back ever rotation with a reduction to damage while your casting or channeling, especially with how few casting and channeling abilitys are used in rotations. I see that maybe helping out Templar but not much else and even then it still doesn't seem on par with 2k fire damage resistance
I am fairly unsure myself, but I do know that the low stamina on my current Altmer (barely enough for 2 rolls) has gotten me killed many times when situations demand rolling. 1.8k might be big if it gets you an extra roll without regen though, not even sure if it will.
For fire, I think in a lot of vet content, if stuff is going to kill you (Because you failed a mechanic) its probably going to kill you regardless of 3k extra resistance. In PVP I can really see its use, fire and burning especially are huge in BGs and cyro. But then in PVP is where the stamina regen would also really shine.
I'm happy to eveeyone is enjoying the new combat design lead.
Lord_Dexter wrote: »
Princess_Ciri wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »
Breton is NOT top DD by a long shot. 258 wep damage is a HUGE loss if you're trying to max out damage. The sustain is nice, but in a propper PVE environment you only need it if you want to heal or maybe tank.
Khajiits have just "received" a major nerf to Magic damage in the CP change.
Calm down buddy.
Thing is, Bretons can sustain a berserker enchant, which gives them 459 spell damage, which is more than Altmer get, and Altmer have to use absorb magicka enchants already on live unless they're a magblade DD (and even then sometimes you need it) now they're going to lose their magicka recovery but gain 258 spell damage, which is still less than Breton and they'll have worse sustain.
So actually, Bretons will be better than Altmer for DPS. That's how broken their sustain is.
Princess_Ciri wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »
Breton is NOT top DD by a long shot. 258 wep damage is a HUGE loss if you're trying to max out damage. The sustain is nice, but in a propper PVE environment you only need it if you want to heal or maybe tank.
Khajiits have just "received" a major nerf to Magic damage in the CP change.
Calm down buddy.
Thing is, Bretons can sustain a berserker enchant, which gives them 459 spell damage, which is more than Altmer get, and Altmer have to use absorb magicka enchants already on live unless they're a magblade DD (and even then sometimes you need it) now they're going to lose their magicka recovery but gain 258 spell damage, which is still less than Breton and they'll have worse sustain.
So actually, Bretons will be better than Altmer for DPS. That's how broken their sustain is.
Hes right also due to those passives Bretons may run more unique sets as you don’t rely on building into sustain as much. I have always preferred Breton over other races for mag and I tryed change between races a lot. The way I play it’s always been the best class for me and I’m sure once more ppl play it they will understand why that is