White Gryphon

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I was under the impression that this pet would be exclusive to only those whom were generous enough to spend 1000 crowns in gifts to other players. Finding out that people can also just buy it themselves with crowns kinda takes away the meaning behind being able to acquire it in the first place.
  • AlienSlof
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    ghastley wrote: »
    I don't understand the obsession with "exclusive". Is your only reason for wanting something based on denying it to others?

    ^ Agreed. ^

    People really are in love with 'exclusive'.
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  • fierackas
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    ghastley wrote: »
    I don't understand the obsession with "exclusive". Is your only reason for wanting something based on denying it to others?

    I don't think it's about denying others, its about being unique and not seeing all and sundry using the same mount and pet imho.
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  • Arciris
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    ghastley wrote: »
    I don't understand the obsession with "exclusive". Is your only reason for wanting something based on denying it to others?

    It's easier to understand if you ask yourself this question: "would i like my face to not be exclusive, and see a lot of people walking around with my face?"
    In a video game, where differentiating factors are very few (compared to real life), having "exclusive" things is the only way to give that sense of uniqueness we get used to in real life (we have our own unique face, finger prints, voice, iris, etc...).
    It is not so much about denying it to others, but more about having something unique (or as unique as possible) to define our characters.

    Or you can compare it with Love if you prefer: it's not about wanting to deny the one you love to the rest of the human species (unless unhealthy psyche) but usually people prefer an exclusive relation ship, it just makes more sense that way :p
  • Tigerseye
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    Arciris wrote: »
    ghastley wrote: »
    I don't understand the obsession with "exclusive". Is your only reason for wanting something based on denying it to others?

    It's easier to understand if you ask yourself this question: "would i like my face to not be exclusive, and see a lot of people walking around with my face?"
    In a video game, where differentiating factors are very few (compared to real life), having "exclusive" things is the only way to give that sense of uniqueness we get used to in real life (we have our own unique face, finger prints, voice, iris, etc...).
    It is not so much about denying it to others, but more about having something unique (or as unique as possible) to define our characters.

    Or you can compare it with Love if you prefer: it's not about wanting to deny the one you love to the rest of the human species (unless unhealthy psyche) but usually people prefer an exclusive relation ship, it just makes more sense that way :p

    Quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I've ever read, on a games forum.

    ...and believe me, it's had some competition for top spot. xD

    ...and no, you don't really have an "exclusive face" IRL, as you almost certainly have (and/or have had) at least one doppelganger.

    Hope you can cope with that shocking piece of information?

    Edited by Tigerseye on January 5, 2019 4:38PM
  • IzzyStardust
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    ghastley wrote: »
    I don't understand the obsession with "exclusive". Is your only reason for wanting something based on denying it to others?

    The point was about people gifted crown items to the tune of 1k crowns or more - it’s basically an ‘achievement’ granted pet.

    Or it was. Now it’s a buyable one.

    That said, I’d have still thrown Xmas gifts around because that’s how I am.

  • Tigerseye
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    ^ Buying a couple of people gifts is not an "achievement".

  • Arciris
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    Tigerseye wrote: »
    Arciris wrote: »
    ghastley wrote: »
    I don't understand the obsession with "exclusive". Is your only reason for wanting something based on denying it to others?

    It's easier to understand if you ask yourself this question: "would i like my face to not be exclusive, and see a lot of people walking around with my face?"
    In a video game, where differentiating factors are very few (compared to real life), having "exclusive" things is the only way to give that sense of uniqueness we get used to in real life (we have our own unique face, finger prints, voice, iris, etc...).
    It is not so much about denying it to others, but more about having something unique (or as unique as possible) to define our characters.

    Or you can compare it with Love if you prefer: it's not about wanting to deny the one you love to the rest of the human species (unless unhealthy psyche) but usually people prefer an exclusive relation ship, it just makes more sense that way :p

    Quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I've ever read, on a games forum.

    ...and believe me, it's had some competition for top spot. xD

    ...and no, you don't really have an "exclusive face" IRL, as you almost certainly have (and/or have had) at least one doppelganger.

    Hope you can cope with that shocking piece of information?

    Doppelgangers are not exactly the same, just very very similar in general appearance. Even real twins (homozygotes) are not exactly the same - that also applies to clones.
    Yes, one's face - with everything it includes, like the iris, is always unique and exclusive, at least in the close detail.

    I personally like diversity. Living in a world of clones, all wearing the same uniform, walking the same way and performing the same kind of movements to greet one another, seems nightmarish to me.

    Unfortunately, individual diversity in a video game implies that some things need to be rare enough so that combining sufficient different elements (some rare, some common) you end up with a rather unique combination.
    IRL, the number of elements to combine is large enough to produce uniqueness without necessarily having to add rarity to the mix.

    Of course we can argue about what constitutes a valid/legitimate way to produce that rarity/scarcity in ESO.
    Is it the Crown Store?
    (not in my opinion)
    Is is in-game achievements?
    (I'm inclining to this)
    Something else?

    But in my opinion, there is a need for some rarity somewhere, to feel in ESO like we feel IRL: unique (for better or for worse, being unique is not an achievement per se)
    Thinking that the need for exclusivity derives from wanting to deny others something is very limited IMO, To me, it's more about making sure that everyone can enjoy diversity and anyway, I have learned a long time ago that we can't have all the things :p
  • Danikat
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    whitecrow wrote: »
    I didn't get the white gryphon, so I don't have anything invested in this, but I do agree that it's not really fair to tell people they can only get it by gifting, and then offer it to anyone (and as Atallanta said, it should now cost more than 1000 crowns.)

    Edit: I read the other thread on the topic, and someone suggested it might be upwards of 2500 crowns. If that is the case, I think it might be okay; it is no longer exclusive, but it does not negate the value of the gifting.

    I wouldn't take that too seriously, people are always predicting absurdly expensive prices for crown store items. And yes I know a lot of stuff in the crown store is over-priced, but I mean predicting prices way, way above anything we've seen before. This would be another example of that trend.

    As far as I can see the most expensive crown store pets were the Dire Pony and the Hearthfire Hatchling which both costs 1,200 crowns. All the rest were between 400 and 1,000 crowns. Whilst it's technically possible for them to put any price they like on any crown store item I think it's highly unlikely they're going to sell a recoloured griffon for more than double their top price so far.

    Personally I suspect it will cost between 1,000 and 1,200 crowns. I can't see it being less than 1,000 because I don't think ZOS are that stupid that they'd *** off everyone who participated in the gifting event to get one, but I also can't see them making it much more expensive because it is "only" a recoloured griffon and people aren't going to buy it if it costs much more than a normal pet when they could get another colour instead.
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  • Girl_Number8
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    Atallanta wrote: »
    It doesn’t bother me that much, but I was surprised to see it so soon.

    I guess the price will be 1k crowns or more. If it’s less, it will be unfair to those who gifted items for 1k.

    It is was just early access. They do this all the time so the people that missed out are more inclined to buy it.
  • IzzyStardust
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    Tigerseye wrote: »
    ^ Buying a couple of people gifts is not an "achievement".

    No I agree with that - but that’s how ZOS set it up...pretty sure I used quotes around achievement, for this reason, but maybe I didn’t? I’d have to go back and look xD

    Edited to add: yep, I had!
    Edited by IzzyStardust on January 11, 2019 6:14PM
  • IzzyStardust
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    Atallanta wrote: »
    It doesn’t bother me that much, but I was surprised to see it so soon.

    I guess the price will be 1k crowns or more. If it’s less, it will be unfair to those who gifted items for 1k.

    It is was just early access. They do this all the time so the people that missed out are more inclined to buy it.

    The problem is that "early access" was not how it was presented. It's not a huge deal but I do feel that this was a promotion that was done under false pretenses. I do not feel like I was dealt with in an up front manner regarding the white pet gryphon. I just think those are bad precedents to set for community to feel like they are not being treated in a straight forward manner. In other words, I'm not quitting the game or anything but it seemed sheisty.
    100% this! I’d have spent out on some special folks anyway - but the way it was done was shady.
  • AngelaWasp
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    I've come to the conclusion that it's best to expect everything in the game, that is cosmetic and doesn't offer players an advantage, to be on sale in the crown store eventually - unless said otherwise in announcements.
  • Jayne_Doe
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    Arciris wrote: »
    Tigerseye wrote: »
    Arciris wrote: »
    ghastley wrote: »
    I don't understand the obsession with "exclusive". Is your only reason for wanting something based on denying it to others?

    It's easier to understand if you ask yourself this question: "would i like my face to not be exclusive, and see a lot of people walking around with my face?"
    In a video game, where differentiating factors are very few (compared to real life), having "exclusive" things is the only way to give that sense of uniqueness we get used to in real life (we have our own unique face, finger prints, voice, iris, etc...).
    It is not so much about denying it to others, but more about having something unique (or as unique as possible) to define our characters.

    Or you can compare it with Love if you prefer: it's not about wanting to deny the one you love to the rest of the human species (unless unhealthy psyche) but usually people prefer an exclusive relation ship, it just makes more sense that way :p

    Quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I've ever read, on a games forum.

    ...and believe me, it's had some competition for top spot. xD

    ...and no, you don't really have an "exclusive face" IRL, as you almost certainly have (and/or have had) at least one doppelganger.

    Hope you can cope with that shocking piece of information?

    Doppelgangers are not exactly the same, just very very similar in general appearance. Even real twins (homozygotes) are not exactly the same - that also applies to clones.
    Yes, one's face - with everything it includes, like the iris, is always unique and exclusive, at least in the close detail.

    I personally like diversity. Living in a world of clones, all wearing the same uniform, walking the same way and performing the same kind of movements to greet one another, seems nightmarish to me.

    Unfortunately, individual diversity in a video game implies that some things need to be rare enough so that combining sufficient different elements (some rare, some common) you end up with a rather unique combination.
    IRL, the number of elements to combine is large enough to produce uniqueness without necessarily having to add rarity to the mix.

    Of course we can argue about what constitutes a valid/legitimate way to produce that rarity/scarcity in ESO.
    Is it the Crown Store?
    (not in my opinion)
    Is is in-game achievements?
    (I'm inclining to this)
    Something else?

    But in my opinion, there is a need for some rarity somewhere, to feel in ESO like we feel IRL: unique (for better or for worse, being unique is not an achievement per se)
    Thinking that the need for exclusivity derives from wanting to deny others something is very limited IMO, To me, it's more about making sure that everyone can enjoy diversity and anyway, I have learned a long time ago that we can't have all the things :p

    There is already a ton of diversity options in this game. Just character creation alone offers numerous permutations. All the various sliders and adjustments you can make to so many things. Then eye colors/hairstyles/hair colors, etc.

    Then, there are the variety of mounts and pets that can be assigned to each character.

    Then, there are all the costumes, which can be dyed, and you can mix in hats, accessories, adornments, tattoos, makeup, etc.

    Then, there is the outfit system, which offers countless permutations, all of which can be dyed.

    I think we've got diversity covered in this game. One little pet isn't going to make a character suddenly unique from all other characters.

    That said, as I posted before, I think the way this promotion was communicated was misleading. Frankly, I think they undermined this promotion for next year by offering the pet so soon after it ended. It could have been offered for sale next year while a new pet was offered for the promotion. Even then, some players who this year only gifted for the pet will probably just wait for future items from this promotion to show up for sale in the CS.
    Edited by Jayne_Doe on January 14, 2019 7:35PM
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