Hey guys! I've been spending this past week or so writing up a list and review of every heavy armor set in ESO. I am a tank-only player who mainly plays PvE, but I do the occasional BG and I have some friends who are very into PvP who I've learned from. I'm not the most experienced tank, but I've done almost everything. I'm a very statistical and analytic person so the sets that I've looked into I usually have some quantitative measure of whether they're good or bad. Anyways, here is the 27 page long report on all the heavy armor sets!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c9sHP_L4R7WJP-RulvttGmdaHTiEussudSqnPUk3BkY/edit?usp=sharing
Hey guys! I've been spending this past week or so writing up a list and review of every heavy armor set in ESO. I am a tank-only player who mainly plays PvE, but I do the occasional BG and I have some friends who are very into PvP who I've learned from. I'm not the most experienced tank, but I've done almost everything. I'm a very statistical and analytic person so the sets that I've looked into I usually have some quantitative measure of whether they're good or bad. Anyways, here is the 27 page long report on all the heavy armor sets!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c9sHP_L4R7WJP-RulvttGmdaHTiEussudSqnPUk3BkY/edit?usp=sharing
Ok, some comments from a PvP point of view:
Veiled Heritance: It is not that bad; it increases wpn dmg on dmg done. It considers ranged attacks and dots (if i remeber well). Not sure if considers procs/enchants.
Elf Bane: Bad everywhere. The 2 extra secs imply just one extra tick of dmg, Could be useful in PvE if a DD wants to use HA, but why? In PvP with BS is absolutely bs
Livewire: Great for shock staff DKs in PvP who don't want to waste much magicka setting enemies off balance: Proc + blockade and heeeeeere comes the lash!!!. It was my bread and butter until ZoS made lash proc dodgeable.
Nikulas + Beckoning Steel: That is a combo I would like to see. Saddly both sets are long forgotten.
Shalk: Good in PvP for mDks and Mageblades that like to spam soul harvest
Vampire Cloak. It has its uses. Minor prottection is carried to shields so for sorcs in heavy it could be something.
The rest, I fully agree. Neither DKS nor Rattlecage are good sets...
Ragnarock41 wrote: »Problem with your post is that in some cases, you are taking some sets that are obviously meant for heavy armor brawlers and judging them as if they were meant for tanks, aka DPS slaves in PvE or just utility bots as I prefer to call them in PvP.
One other issue is that you don't know why some sets are in their current situation(not your fault really), like for example the trainee(trainee was supposed to be a beginner set but it offered way too high stats, so it was nerfed. Its replaced by the set called shacklebreaker which funnily enough, offers even better stats) and the blackrose set was nerfed to counter heavy armor meta. Its a common thing in this game. Devs introduce new sets, sets overperform or sometimes related mechanics overperform, then they nerf it so much its completely unviable. Black rose is a great example.
Also if you wonder why the heavy armor damage sets are so damn strong, its because they were made in an era where heavy armor passives were ridicilously bad and nobody outside of PvE tanks was using heavy armor, so they decided to make sets that compensate for the lack of armor passives. Obviously after the HA passive rework , and the sustain nerfs in morrowind, people started to realize heavy armor offers good sustain, and heavy armor sets offer great weapon damage, and with that, the heavy armor high weapon damage builds became meta.
That summary is just a wee bit biased towards your personal play-style, don't you think?
Ragnarock41 wrote: »Problem with your post is that in some cases, you are taking some sets that are obviously meant for heavy armor brawlers and judging them as if they were meant for tanks, aka DPS slaves in PvE or just utility bots as I prefer to call them in PvP.
One other issue is that you don't know why some sets are in their current situation(not your fault really), like for example the trainee(trainee was supposed to be a beginner set but it offered way too high stats, so it was nerfed. Its replaced by the set called shacklebreaker which funnily enough, offers even better stats) and the blackrose set was nerfed to counter heavy armor meta. Its a common thing in this game. Devs introduce new sets, sets overperform or sometimes related mechanics overperform, then they nerf it so much its completely unviable. Black rose is a great example.
Also if you wonder why the heavy armor damage sets are so damn strong, its because they were made in an era where heavy armor passives were ridicilously bad and nobody outside of PvE tanks was using heavy armor, so they decided to make sets that compensate for the lack of armor passives. Obviously after the HA passive rework , and the sustain nerfs in morrowind, people started to realize heavy armor offers good sustain, and heavy armor sets offer great weapon damage, and with that, the heavy armor high weapon damage builds became meta.
Yeah I started after Morrowind so I definitely have a very short window of seeing balance. I personally think shuffle should be reworked to help with the heavy armor meta, but again, I'm not a particularly avid PvPer so theres a good chance that whatever i say would just make things worse.
As far as me judging sets from a PvE tank perspective it was likely because I knew the set was good in PvP (or had similar sets that outperformed it) and so I was viewing it in a situation that most people write off. I'll go back through and look at making some edits to make things more clear
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Loads of curse words make your summarys look bad.
Will you be going through the medium and light armor sets that tanks use or might use? Like alkosh and magika furnace?
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Loads of curse words make your summarys look bad.
Will you be going through the medium and light armor sets that tanks use or might use? Like alkosh and magika furnace?
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Loads of curse words make your summarys look bad.
Will you be going through the medium and light armor sets that tanks use or might use? Like alkosh and magika furnace?
Yeah, never meant this to be "professional" grade I suppose. I wanted it to be casual.
I would like to do medium and light sets, but I think those would take a lot longer for me since I dont actively play dps; I can just parse decently well.