Change to templar Aedric spear passive (Spear Wall)

killmove · December 2018

I think it would be better to change this passive from

Gain Minor Protection for 1.5 seconds, reducing damage taken by 8%.

to

Gain Minor berserk for 2 seconds, dealing +8% damage.

https://ibb.co/ZLRjBRX

getemshauna · December 2018

Spartans' strategy was based on well-designed protection, called phalanx.

technohic · December 2018

getemshauna wrote: »

Spartans' strategy was based on well-designed protection, called phalanx.

getemshauna · December 2018

technohic wrote: »

getemshauna wrote: »

Spartans' strategy was based on well-designed protection, called phalanx.

According to picture.

killmove wrote: »

https://ibb.co/ZLRjBRX

killmove · December 2018

this is suggested because templar don't have any access to Major or Minor Brutality

technohic · December 2018

The protection thing is really kind of nice for a melee (jab/sweep) templar as you generally take some hits in melee unless you managed to lure a lone target off. Even then, it allows you to be more aggressive which is important as we do not have a great stun to get off our back foot once on the defensive.

Camael · December 2018

Sorry OP... I wouldn't change protection for berserk. Only my pov ofc but stand in front row on battlefield is my thing and I need all protection I can get. Never had issue with dmg done tho.

killmove · December 2018

Camael wrote: »

Sorry OP... I wouldn't change protection for berserk. Only my pov ofc but stand in front row on battlefield is my thing and I need all protection I can get. Never had issue with dmg done tho.

lol when a pro Nightblade say this is OP,

ZeroXFF · December 2018

Right, let's do it, because there are too many templar tanks running around right now... -_-

The only thing that needs to change is the duration of the protection buff. It should be at least 5 seconds, preferably 8 or 10.

killmove · December 2018

ZeroXFF wrote: »

Right, let's do it, because there are too many templar tanks running around right now... -_-

The only thing that needs to change is the duration of the protection buff. It should be at least 5 seconds, preferably 8 or 10.

cause you use Aedric spear ability to tank?

Joosef_Kivikilpi · December 2018

getemshauna wrote: »

Spartans' strategy was based on well-designed protection, called phalanx.

Because bare-skin for 80% of armor = well-designed protection... hahaha

Taking from the Sparta movie image in first comment ^

ZeroXFF · December 2018

killmove wrote: »

ZeroXFF wrote: »

Right, let's do it, because there are too many templar tanks running around right now... -_-

The only thing that needs to change is the duration of the protection buff. It should be at least 5 seconds, preferably 8 or 10.

cause you use Aedric spear ability to tank?

Literally tank skills:
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Empowering+Sweep
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Radiant+Ward

Group support:
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Luminous+Shards

And on the zoo boss in vFL to interrupt the tiger and on the 4th boss in vHoF to switch with the other tank:
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Explosive+Charge

Yeah, of course I am. That's literally the tanking skill tree of templars.

technohic · December 2018

ZeroXFF wrote: »

killmove wrote: »

ZeroXFF wrote: »

Right, let's do it, because there are too many templar tanks running around right now... -_-

The only thing that needs to change is the duration of the protection buff. It should be at least 5 seconds, preferably 8 or 10.

cause you use Aedric spear ability to tank?

Literally tank skills:
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Empowering+Sweep
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Radiant+Ward

Group support:
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Luminous+Shards

And on the zoo boss in vFL to interrupt the tiger and on the 4th boss in vHoF to switch with the other tank:
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Explosive+Charge

Yeah, of course I am. That's literally the tanking skill tree of templars.

It's been down for so long, just no one realizes it any more.

killmove · December 2018

ZeroXFF wrote: »

killmove wrote: »

ZeroXFF wrote: »

Right, let's do it, because there are too many templar tanks running around right now... -_-

The only thing that needs to change is the duration of the protection buff. It should be at least 5 seconds, preferably 8 or 10.

cause you use Aedric spear ability to tank?

Literally tank skills:
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Empowering+Sweep
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Radiant+Ward

Group support:
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Luminous+Shards

And on the zoo boss in vFL to interrupt the tiger and on the 4th boss in vHoF to switch with the other tank:
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Explosive+Charge

Yeah, of course I am. That's literally the tanking skill tree of templars.

https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Empowering+Sweep : gives major protection already so yeah maybe even if Nova is better IMHO
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Radiant+Ward : really dude ? this is nerfed and no more used in any serious build

https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Luminous+Shards : heal job not yours as a tank

https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Explosive+Charge : cause you don't have any magika build in the group with https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Crushing+Shock ?

So as a conclusion only https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Empowering+Sweep is good all other are waste of slot and ressources, but the problem is that's an Utimate so not really a skill.

BNOC · December 2018

killmove wrote: »

Camael wrote: »

Sorry OP... I wouldn't change protection for berserk. Only my pov ofc but stand in front row on battlefield is my thing and I need all protection I can get. Never had issue with dmg done tho.

lol when a pro Nightblade say this is OP,

I think he means original poster as opposed to over-powered.

I'd support the change as I'm on the aggressive more than I am on the defence but that's my only reason.

Khivas_Carrick · December 2018

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

getemshauna wrote: »

Spartans' strategy was based on well-designed protection, called phalanx.

Because bare-skin for 80% of armor = well-designed protection... hahaha

Taking from the Sparta movie image in first comment ^

They actually wore hella armor, just saying

EDIT*

This change is indifferent to me. As a DPS I'd welcome it, but I also wouldn't mind if it was never thought of again. In PvE, Templar does pretty decent dmg now and I am ok with where we are atm.

p00tx · December 2018

While I love the idea of being able to do more dmg, the protection is necessary when a relatively large amount of your abilities are channeled, meaning you're incredibly vulnerable while casting them. We're either damaging someone, or we're protecting ourselves and healing. There really isn't much in-between for Magplars.

killmove · December 2018

p00tx wrote: »

While I love the idea of being able to do more dmg, the protection is necessary when a relatively large amount of your abilities are channeled, meaning you're incredibly vulnerable while casting them. We're either damaging someone, or we're protecting ourselves and healing. There really isn't much in-between for Magplars.

You got rune focus you know with an extra resistance

AcadianPaladin · December 2018

My magplar's priorities are survivability, sustain, damage in that order as a healer. Even when soloing big bosses, her priorities don't change. While I understand OP's suggestion and it is not a bad one, I prefer the passive as it is.

ZeroXFF · December 2018

killmove wrote: »

ZeroXFF wrote: »

killmove wrote: »

ZeroXFF wrote: »

Right, let's do it, because there are too many templar tanks running around right now... -_-

The only thing that needs to change is the duration of the protection buff. It should be at least 5 seconds, preferably 8 or 10.

cause you use Aedric spear ability to tank?

Literally tank skills:
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Empowering+Sweep
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Radiant+Ward

Group support:
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Luminous+Shards

And on the zoo boss in vFL to interrupt the tiger and on the 4th boss in vHoF to switch with the other tank:
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Explosive+Charge

Yeah, of course I am. That's literally the tanking skill tree of templars.

https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Empowering+Sweep : gives major protection already so yeah maybe even if Nova is better IMHO
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Radiant+Ward : really dude ? this is nerfed and no more used in any serious build

https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Luminous+Shards : heal job not yours as a tank

https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Explosive+Charge : cause you don't have any magika build in the group with https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Crushing+Shock ?

So as a conclusion only https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Empowering+Sweep is good all other are waste of slot and ressources, but the problem is that's an Utimate so not really a skill.

1. Nova is more expensive, but whatever, depends on situation.
2. Just because you don't use it, doesn't mean nobody is. It was in fact buffed in murkmire because now shields benefit from resistances, so the shield strength got effectively doubled. Yeah, it still sucks with anything but an HP stacking build, but it is very much viable for that niche.
3. So what? Is it suddenly bad to provide group support if you can afford it? Besides, ever run with pugs? Seen a lot of group support there?
4. Conveniently ignoring the other application I listed. Also, what if both DDs are stam? And again, ever run with pugs?

Also, templar DPS is pretty high right now, they don't need another buff, unless other classes get buffed too. And you get your minor berserk in organized groups from combat prayer anyways (since we're talking about "the healer's job").

DeadlyRecluse · December 2018

I'm a big fan of the current Shield Wall passive--it's a nice little buff to jabby templars in PvP (who didn't benefit from the block-based version of shield wall as much due to the long channel of jabs).

It also plays really nicely with Sun Shield and it's morphs, as pointed out.

I wouldn't mind a change to minor berserk, either, but I like the current one more.

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p00tx · December 2018

killmove wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

While I love the idea of being able to do more dmg, the protection is necessary when a relatively large amount of your abilities are channeled, meaning you're incredibly vulnerable while casting them. We're either damaging someone, or we're protecting ourselves and healing. There really isn't much in-between for Magplars.

You got rune focus you know with an extra resistance

Flat resistances don't account for all dmg mitigation