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Pairing Spell Strategist with Mother's Sorrow

md3788
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On a High Elf Magicka Templar. Curious if anyone is doing this for raids? I see a lot of dummy fights with Siroria/Spell Strat but I'm looking for true in-game application. Right now I run MS/BSW or MS/Siroria in raids and dungeons, but am considering replacing BSW or Siroria with SS. I feel like MS should be a constant to keep crit chance high.

vFG1 HM
  • Hixtory
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    The thing with spell strategist is that isnt really interesting in most fights, I have to admit I got the damn set, but it doesnt overperform BSW or Siroria that much. Think this, VAS+2 is the most lonely fight you have in the game, but in this trial you have a tank stacking the minibosses to the main boss to burn them with ultis, in that scenario the ulti isnt getting anything from SS, some fights with normal mobs, like VAA might be great, but in VMOL, VHOF, etc where you actually wanna cleave the mobs while you attack the main bosses, is a DPS loss.
  • md3788
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    Hixtory wrote: »
    The thing with spell strategist is that isnt really interesting in most fights, I have to admit I got the damn set, but it doesnt overperform BSW or Siroria that much. Think this, VAS+2 is the most lonely fight you have in the game, but in this trial you have a tank stacking the minibosses to the main boss to burn them with ultis, in that scenario the ulti isnt getting anything from SS, some fights with normal mobs, like VAA might be great, but in VMOL, VHOF, etc where you actually wanna cleave the mobs while you attack the main bosses, is a DPS loss.

    That was actually my concern: fights where mini bosses are stacked on the main boss. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
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  • Azurya
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    Spell strategist is functioning very good in single target fights
    for other fights you are way better while using something like MS
    just like @Hixtory already pointed out
  • ChunkyCat
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    You guys need to stop trying to drive the Spell Strategists prices down with all those “alternative facts.”

    On that note, WTS Infused Spell Strategists Inferno staff; 500k.
  • fred4
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    ChunkyCat wrote: »
    You guys need to stop trying to drive the Spell Strategists prices down with all those “alternative facts.”

    On that note, WTS Infused Spell Strategists Inferno staff; 500k.

    Hahaha, luckily for magplar lightning staff is better, with Sweeps, and I got mine for a 100K. For what it's worth I use SS + MS, simply because I could buy both of those sets. I am a PvPer who occasionally participates in vDungeons and nRaids for farming.
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  • FakeFox
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    Hixtory wrote: »
    The thing with spell strategist is that isnt really interesting in most fights, I have to admit I got the damn set, but it doesnt overperform BSW or Siroria that much. Think this, VAS+2 is the most lonely fight you have in the game, but in this trial you have a tank stacking the minibosses to the main boss to burn them with ultis, in that scenario the ulti isnt getting anything from SS, some fights with normal mobs, like VAA might be great, but in VMOL, VHOF, etc where you actually wanna cleave the mobs while you attack the main bosses, is a DPS loss.

    You aren't wrong, however when you get to the point where the adds die in cleave anyway spell strategist starts become really strong because single target is what determines fight duration. The overall DPS might not change much, but there is no point in killing adds faster then you would have to if you can push the boss more instead. So in conclusion I think it depends very much on the groups level performance.
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  • md3788
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    FakeFox wrote: »
    Hixtory wrote: »
    The thing with spell strategist is that isnt really interesting in most fights, I have to admit I got the damn set, but it doesnt overperform BSW or Siroria that much. Think this, VAS+2 is the most lonely fight you have in the game, but in this trial you have a tank stacking the minibosses to the main boss to burn them with ultis, in that scenario the ulti isnt getting anything from SS, some fights with normal mobs, like VAA might be great, but in VMOL, VHOF, etc where you actually wanna cleave the mobs while you attack the main bosses, is a DPS loss.

    You aren't wrong, however when you get to the point where the adds die in cleave anyway spell strategist starts become really strong because single target is what determines fight duration. The overall DPS might not change much, but there is no point in killing adds faster then you would have to if you can push the boss more instead. So in conclusion I think it depends very much on the groups level performance.

    In that case, what are you using for a secondary set to pair with SS?
    vFG1 HM
  • BooPerScOOper
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    Siro/Spell Strat
  • FakeFox
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    md3788 wrote: »
    FakeFox wrote: »
    Hixtory wrote: »
    The thing with spell strategist is that isnt really interesting in most fights, I have to admit I got the damn set, but it doesnt overperform BSW or Siroria that much. Think this, VAS+2 is the most lonely fight you have in the game, but in this trial you have a tank stacking the minibosses to the main boss to burn them with ultis, in that scenario the ulti isnt getting anything from SS, some fights with normal mobs, like VAA might be great, but in VMOL, VHOF, etc where you actually wanna cleave the mobs while you attack the main bosses, is a DPS loss.

    You aren't wrong, however when you get to the point where the adds die in cleave anyway spell strategist starts become really strong because single target is what determines fight duration. The overall DPS might not change much, but there is no point in killing adds faster then you would have to if you can push the boss more instead. So in conclusion I think it depends very much on the groups level performance.

    In that case, what are you using for a secondary set to pair with SS?

    Siroria for most content, MS for when I have to move too much.
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  • Hochstapler
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    I've checked some dps tests and comparations of the sets on YT because I cba to do it myself.
    Apperantly, SS has a whooping 1% dps edge against BSW or MS lol.
    So for me, it's not worthed to invest gold or APs in it, I'll just wait until I get all pieces I need in divine from PVP awards, no matter how long it takes.

    Edited by Hochstapler on November 20, 2018 2:29AM
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  • SoLooney
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    If you're talking pure single target. Siroria and spell strategist is the way to go. Your spell damage is gonna be really good anyways that cleave for the most part wont be a problem
  • d10is13
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    nobody cares what you do in raids, all that anybody cares about is how high your dummy parse is
  • ATomiX96
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    d10is13 wrote: »
    nobody cares what you do in raids, all that anybody cares about is how high your dummy parse is

    obviously never been in a better guild than signup raid (vAA without HM) once a week.
    Edited by ATomiX96 on November 20, 2018 1:52PM
  • BooPerScOOper
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    ATomiX96 wrote: »
    d10is13 wrote: »
    nobody cares what you do in raids, all that anybody cares about is how high your dummy parse is

    obviously never been in a better guild than signup raid (vAA without HM) once a week.

    lol... Right
  • Danksta
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    If you're looking for a true in-game application then why not master architect?
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  • Weps
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    Is it confirmed that Spell Strategist buff isn't affected by any Minor or Major Sorcery?
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    Weps wrote: »
    Is it confirmed that Spell Strategist buff isn't affected by any Minor or Major Sorcery?

    As far as I know it is not, since it does not increase you Spelldmg in you character sheet, and only affects the Enemy (its both a Buff and a Debuff, according to Combat Metrics)
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  • md3788
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    Danksta wrote: »
    If you're looking for a true in-game application then why not master architect?

    Usually a few nightblades in my group run MA but I've considered that as well
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  • BooPerScOOper
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    MA is still a good support set.
  • Hixtory
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    md3788 wrote: »
    Danksta wrote: »
    If you're looking for a true in-game application then why not master architect?

    Usually a few nightblades in my group run MA but I've considered that as well

    MA is a great set, but in this case is a MUST to have the staff, that's literally the set you can 100% control when to proc it, so you can have Siroria, BSW, MS 100% active.

    :wink:

    Edited by Hixtory on November 20, 2018 8:15PM
  • Weps
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    Hixtory wrote: »
    md3788 wrote: »
    Danksta wrote: »
    If you're looking for a true in-game application then why not master architect?

    Usually a few nightblades in my group run MA but I've considered that as well

    MA is a great set, but in this case is a MUST to have the staff, that's literally the set you can 100% control when to proc it, so you can have Siroria, BSW, MS 100% active.

    :wink:

    No it's not, you can make it proc either using Destro or Soul Harvest. Is a must have only for Wardens, everyone else can still front bar MS and pull 50k+

    Weps wrote: »
    Is it confirmed that Spell Strategist buff isn't affected by any Minor or Major Sorcery?

    As far as I know it is not, since it does not increase you Spelldmg in you character sheet, and only affects the Enemy (its both a Buff and a Debuff, according to Combat Metrics)

    And has anyone tested if the bug that would take your buff away if another player applied it on the same target has been fixed?
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  • Hixtory
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    Weps wrote: »
    Hixtory wrote: »
    md3788 wrote: »
    Danksta wrote: »
    If you're looking for a true in-game application then why not master architect?

    Usually a few nightblades in my group run MA but I've considered that as well

    MA is a great set, but in this case is a MUST to have the staff, that's literally the set you can 100% control when to proc it, so you can have Siroria, BSW, MS 100% active.

    :wink:

    No it's not, you can make it proc either using Destro or Soul Harvest. Is a must have only for Wardens, everyone else can still front bar MS and pull 50k+

    Rephrasing to SHOULD, is better to have 100% those other sets because you can control the burst of MA using soul harvest, bear, Empowering Sweep. Why would you want to use MA with destro?
    Edited by Hixtory on November 20, 2018 8:35PM
  • Weps
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    Hixtory wrote: »
    Weps wrote: »
    Hixtory wrote: »
    md3788 wrote: »
    Danksta wrote: »
    If you're looking for a true in-game application then why not master architect?

    Usually a few nightblades in my group run MA but I've considered that as well

    MA is a great set, but in this case is a MUST to have the staff, that's literally the set you can 100% control when to proc it, so you can have Siroria, BSW, MS 100% active.

    :wink:

    No it's not, you can make it proc either using Destro or Soul Harvest. Is a must have only for Wardens, everyone else can still front bar MS and pull 50k+

    Rephrasing to SHOULD, is better to have 100% those other sets because you can control the burst of MA using soul harvest, bear, Empowering Sweep. Why would you want to use MA with destro?

    When you need to open fights with AoE?Think about Twins in vMoL, Triplets in vHoF, the Spider in vHoF...there are many cases like this...To have the 8% damage boost on front bar, to give Major Slayer even when I'm fully ranged...you can lower the uptime a little bit, it depends on the fight and your ability and experience using the set frankly.

    On a magicka you don't really loose much DPS front-barring a static set, you only spend one or two seconds on your backbar, depending on the fight
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