I will never let a character hit level 50

Jaimeh · October 2018

bethsheba wrote: »

Just a random rant/statement. There is so much lore, so many quests and so much to do in a continually growing game here. I actually feel bad for you cp players. I see you run in, talk to an npc for a half a second, kill everything with a wave of one hand, then run off. How are you not completely bored by this game at this point? Is it actually fun to do the same trial, arena, dungeon for the 1000th time? Don't get me started on the 1T debacle, I know it won't ever get rolled back or changed and even with a level 10 character I find the fights as I go through questing content to be too easy, and that is without any cp on any character, it's just a vanilla character. I stay for the lore, the mystery, the storylines, the interesting populace, and even though I have been here for years, I still haven't even done any of the the dlc content, so I know I have so much yet to explore.
But, yeah, if hitting cp levels means this type of content becomes even less of a challenge than it already is, sorry Beth's characters, I will kill you off before you reach 50.

It depends on what an individual enjoys... some don't like the immersive aspect of questing--I know people who've admitted to having skipped all the dialoque throughout xD I personally think it's worth it to properly go through everything at least once, but if someone enjoys other aspects of the game more, and wants to go though questing quickly in order to get to them, then I understand that too. It's a multi-faceted and beautiful game, in more ways than one, there is no such thing as 'my activities are more enjoyable'. As content being less of a challenge at CP... if you ever hit CP and use the group finder, you'll be surprised.

Danikat · October 2018

One thing I've been thinking about recently for a different kind of challenge on a character who is repeating content I've done before is disabling the quest markers and turning off the mini map addon I use.

Maybe that wouldn't be an issue for most people, but I have a very poor sense of direction and it's even worse in games, I can easily complete a quest, intend to go back where I came from and set off in entirely the wrong direction. So I think for me it would both add a new kind of challenge (which might be ok when I'm repeating stuff I have done before, because my memory is pretty good) and give me an opportunity to explore the map in a slightly different way - by getting lost and reorienting myself instead of just letting myself get distracted by anything which seems interesting.

What_In_Tarnation · October 2018

Oh ok

Tannus15 · October 2018

I did Cadwells gold on my first character years ago and read all the text, listened to the dialog. really enjoyed it.
Once I had all the available overland content done, I started looking at dungeons. First, seeing what I could solo, then eventually joining my guild "pledge" nights and seeing more of the game. Now I'm in a progression guild hitting the harder vet trials like vAS+2.

When new overland content comes out I still get on my original character and slow down, take in the scenery, enjoy the story.
When new dungeons come out I jump into vet with some friends and we take out time, work the mechanics out for ourselves and get wrecked on hard mode a few times before finishing it on "normal" vet. We'll come back for HM later.

It's been a long journey over many years, I have 2 of every class (mag and stam) as well as a dedicated Tank and PvP character.
I don't feel the need for them all to do all the quests again, I just want to experience the different play styles.

Just because I "rush" through things now, doesn't mean I haven't taken the time to enjoy it in the past.

oxygen_thief · October 2018

bethsheba wrote: »

I actually feel bad for you cp players.

storylines are awful any single player game is better than eso. i did cadwell's silver a year ago it was incredibly boring. no more quest since that time

Zelos · October 2018

bethsheba wrote: »

Just a random rant/statement. There is so much lore, so many quests and so much to do in a continually growing game here. I actually feel bad for you cp players. I see you run in, talk to an npc for a half a second, kill everything with a wave of one hand, then run off. How are you not completely bored by this game at this point? Is it actually fun to do the same trial, arena, dungeon for the 1000th time? Don't get me started on the 1T debacle, I know it won't ever get rolled back or changed and even with a level 10 character I find the fights as I go through questing content to be too easy, and that is without any cp on any character, it's just a vanilla character. I stay for the lore, the mystery, the storylines, the interesting populace, and even though I have been here for years, I still haven't even done any of the the dlc content, so I know I have so much yet to explore.
But, yeah, if hitting cp levels means this type of content becomes even less of a challenge than it already is, sorry Beth's characters, I will kill you off before you reach 50.

Well tell me this when you have done everything in the game as I've been here since beta, pretty much maxed achievement points. Tell me what is left to do run the same quests over again? Many players want to progress without dumb easy content, no one likes the cp system and no one wants to kill shiit in a instant but zos doesnt care about that, as long as you think the game is great and buy crown crates they could care less.

Galarthor · October 2018

To each their own.

If you are looking for a challenge in this game, be it in PvP or PvE, then rushing through the quest so you can get to that challenge beats listening to what every NPC has to say.

FrancisCrawford · October 2018

Everstorm wrote: »

At 860 ish but I still read the lore and the dialogues, at least the first time through. Did Murkmire in stealth setup (bosmer stamblade) to keep it a tad interesting. Cept for the two worldbosses.
I really enjoyed this DLC.

Bosmer or Khajit (I too use Bosmer) stamblade thief is now clearly my favorite way to quest. I avoid annoying trash fights. Boss fights are still easy at max CP, but I certainly don't mind having the character be a little weaker than other specs. And I'm on the PC, so if I want to switch to a full combat load-out for, as you suggest, a world boss, then there's an add-on for that.

DanteYoda · October 2018

CP should have stopped at 160 and the content should have scaled off that.

Sylvermynx · October 2018

OP - there's another way to handle this.

Make your characters one for each alliance, plus one (or more) for "miscellaneous" questing. Do the entire faction questlines only on the appropriate toons, with the miscellaneous characters filling in with Undaunted, Fighters, Mages guilds. That way you stretch the content, so you don't get pushed up on CP before you've made your peace with it.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · October 2018

max_only wrote: »

Who is At’avar?

@max_only NPC who appears in one of the Group Dungeons as part of that dingeon's quest; Spindelclutch IIRC.

Tasear · October 2018

Personally it's hard for to read npc dialogue because it's on the right. My mind wants to read it while my ears listen and I get frustrated.

It's sad because I own hundreds of books and read more pages then places then I will see in a lifetime, but I can't enjoy ESO stories most of the time.

Kalik_Gold · October 2018

I only quest on 1 guy. I don't rush it either... but I couldn't do this on 8 characters.

GreenhaloX · October 2018

I have leveled over 20 toons, oh sorry I meant characters, far beyond maxed CP and still leveling.

It's like they are in a different galaxy. How bout them apples? Ha ha.

idk · October 2018

After twice I do not feel a need to read and hear the dialogue a third time except for more interesting quests. I feel sorry for the person who does not branch out and experience more of the game.

The post someone reminds me of the guild leader in the first ESO guild I was in. He claimed he planned to play ESO for 10 years and as such was in no hurry to hit the level cap.

A year later he was even close to the original level cap let alone the level cap at the time. Mostly because he did not do much questing each night.

4 years out he has long since quit the game and his guild folded. My guess is he got bored since he did not get into the active group content in the game. Most of the active players became active in other guilds that actually did stuff.

This does not mean I think OP is like this.

JumpmanLane · October 2018

Op you’ll rush through the game too once you hit cp 160 and you’re only doing the dungeon because you’re farming something. Then, you’ll be grateful you can kill NPcs with the wave of your hand.

Level 50 is nothing but a grind to cp 160 so you don’t have to update gear. You’ll see. Just keep playing.

Kikke · October 2018

990 cp, first char was pretty much capped once I hit vr16 back in the days. Fighters, mages, good way on undaunted, finnished all AD, EP and half ish of DC and gotten pretty far in the alliance war.

After finnishing all quests base game I moved to dungeons, after that vet dungeons. While maintaining PvP.

Once I had completed every dungeon achivements I made my first trial guild. Found people that wanted to start on trials without carries, all was new to trials. Awesome times.

4 years into the game, all trials done on hardmode, all dungeon achivs done, all quests done. All guilds maxed. All skill points in the game. But I still play and have fun, why? I play with friends I have met through the game.

But yes, when I make a new character its all about getting him up so I can resume playing with my friends.

Davor · October 2018

bethsheba wrote: »

Just a random rant/statement. There is so much lore, so many quests and so much to do in a continually growing game here. I actually feel bad for you cp players. I see you run in, talk to an npc for a half a second, kill everything with a wave of one hand, then run off. How are you not completely bored by this game at this point? Is it actually fun to do the same trial, arena, dungeon for the 1000th time?

Uhm everyone plays a game for different reasons. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's wrong. The same can be said for you as well. How can you for the 1000th time speak to the same NPC? What makes you any more correct in that way then?

Don't get me started on the 1T debacle, I know it won't ever get rolled back or changed and even with a level 10 character I find the fights as I go through questing content to be too easy, and that is without any cp on any character, it's just a vanilla character.

What makes you correct here? I agree that at level 10 the fights can be easy BUT you are so WRONG. Why? Anything under level 50 I have an easy time playing. I have on character that is level 50 CP 160+. The game is so HARD for me now. So I can say you are so wrong here. Game is harder once you hit level 50. So if you want something harder you want to be over level 50 other wise you are playing on easy mode. So why are you playing under level 50 then? I just don't understand what your point is here. You want harder play but yet you play on easy mode.

I stay for the lore, the mystery, the storylines, the interesting populace, and even though I have been here for years, I still haven't even done any of the the dlc content, so I know I have so much yet to explore.
But, yeah, if hitting cp levels means this type of content becomes even less of a challenge than it already is, sorry Beth's characters, I will kill you off before you reach 50.

I stay for the lore and mystery as well. Just like you. Thing is I need to play on easy mode, under level 50 so I haven't really touched my CP160+ character because the game is so hard.

So please explain why you are saying some people are wrong for playing the game on a harder mode? What makes you correct for playing on easy mode YET you say the game is too easy?

I just don't understand.

Shawn_PT · October 2018

There is so much truth to this post. I have focused less on questing and more on dailies and dungeons and suddenly find myself at 1100+ CP. When I decide to do a little quest hub, because Cadwel's Silver won't run itself, my general reaction is 'that's it?' Talk to NPC, kill 3 mobs, interact with objective, go back to NPC. Quest done in 2 minutes, and that's while not skipping dialogue. In fact the only dialogue I skip is for the dailies. I can listen to regular quest NPCs 8 times, that's how many chars I have. Yes even those from the Murkmire intro quest.

So the last couple of days and since the whole Nerfmire affair sucked some joy off the game, I decided to go full immersion mode. No chat. Game music and sound on. No sprinting. In fact, no running. At all. Even on horseback, always walk mode. Several people must have found me crazy, RP walking through the hag fens on my own.

But you know what? I found something I thought ESO did not have, or had long forgotten about its existence. An immersive and mesmerizing world. To look at the sun rays sifting through the fog and the mossy trees. To walk by a travelling merchant and hear what their comments on the road are. To follow the pathways at an NPC's request and deliver a message to the next town. Listen to the sound of my horse's hooves on the different types of surfaced. See the birds fly away as I approach. The critters running by. The rivers flowing. The way the shadows change as the hours go by. I'd find myself just staring at the scenery in awe, and felt empathy for even those nameless NPCs whose only purpose is to make a place look lived in.

Granted I can still pretty much one shot every mob. Faolchu sounded like a horrid beast and when I faced him, he dropped in five seconds. But that's fine. We're supposed ro be heroes after all. And above all I found a joy in ESO I would truly never fathom.

All this just by going slower.

D0PAMINE · October 2018

I have done the main quest 15 times. I am going to rush what I feel like because I have missed nothing. I've done it before. Whats the problem?

Dojohoda · October 2018

zaria · October 2018

SydneyGrey wrote: »

You can hit level 50 and still not rush the game. There's literally no reason to rush at all, at any time, no matter what your level. Not sure why you think the game will change for the worst once you hit 50.
The game changes for the better, actually, because after level 160, you can start collecting complete armor sets without worrying that you'll out-level them. The game is more fun after CP160.

Agree, you will also reach 50 well before you are done with your faction quest line if you do all the quest in zones.
160 long before you are done with silver and gold, then its the dlc

In short the game don't change after 50 or cp160, benefit of 160 is that you can keep the gear and its easier to make gold.

JamieAubrey · October 2018

Because once you do the quests on 2 characters at most it gets annoying, thats why I'll rush through the quests, unless its a new DLC then I'll take my time but if I do it on any other character I will skip it all as I already know the story

GreenHere · October 2018

Lots of long answers here I'm too lazy to read at the moment, but in case no one else has submitted this to you, @bethsheba:

You can achieve the same effect by selectively tuning your character's strengths at any level, you know. In fact, because of the scaling mechanism (which I won't pretend to have a comprehensive understanding of), I'd wager I can make my CP 810+ character weaker than your level <50 character if I wanted to. That below level 50 scaling is likely skewing your view of power in the game.

If I equip a level 10 weapon, as a max CP player, I might as well be swinging wet noodles and shouting hurtful comments at bad guys. It'll take me literal minutes to kill bandits. Same for armor; I can make myself into a flimsy piñata quite easily with about 15 seconds of gear swapping. On the flip side, I can also turn into one of those overpowered demi-gods you see blowing through content like it's nothing. Or anywhere in between, as I see fit. Just takes some easy adjustments.

More importantly, I can scale my capabilities up or down as I choose at any given time. I get what you're saying about being overpowered killing the fun in the game for you; but your solution is entirely unnecessary and counterproductive in my view. You don't need to avoid leveling up to stay where you're comfortable on the power scale. You're at the right power level for a great portion of the game's content, sure --- but you're locking yourself away from another large portion of the game too. Why not be capable of all that you enjoy in the game, and scale up or down as your enjoyment calls for in a given situation?

TheCyberDruid · October 2018

Yep, it's the CP not that they play an alt or their choice. Nope once you hit CP you'll automatically skip all dialog and rush through all content. *sigh*

HappyLittleTree · October 2018

I have several lvl 50 chars, I did every quest in the game on my main. that is slowly listening to the storyline (and there is some pretty great writing i must say!) i understand you beeing confused by why some rush but i for one rush because i know every quest by now and if i lvl a toon i don't have to listen to it again.

if a new dlc comes out i play on my main taking my time. Playing for the story and then for the rewards.

nryerson1025 · October 2018

OP is concerned with experienced all content and maintaining its challenge which i somewhat agree with, yet OP says he will never experience end-game content and that challenge? i dont understand

Runs · October 2018

I took my time with my first few characters... the rest of the 15 I just want to clear content so I can have my pretty all white maps. I have alt accounts and EU server when/if I want that new feel.

CompM4s · October 2018

I read story lines on my pve character. My pvp chars only do questlines need for skill lines or points. The only complaint is how easy the story lines are, great stories just easy. I also wont handicap my character because I do enjoy endgame content as well.

Abigail · October 2018

Different strokes is all. People ought to play and experience the game as they want. The person never wanting to reach 50 should be tolerant of those wanting to rush the content, and vice versa.

Me; it's mood based. Some days I want to savor everything, other days I just want to plow through quests. I do a lot of dolmens because I enjoy listening to audio books and dolmens are a good way to stay in the game with minimal focus.

The other day I mentioned that I had five Pet Sorcs and someone decided to ding me for it. I like them, I'm well used to them at this point, and despite each being subtly different because of race, equipment, CPs, and pet types, I feel like I'm to a point where I can play them advantageously in all content. But that's my business, and someone commenting that I'm not playing the game correctly is irrelevant ... to my goals and circumstances.

We all come to ESO with vastly different life and game-playing experience; moreover, each of us is laboring under some time constraints; and then there's that little matter of our individual playing ability. All different. The very notion of everyone playing the same way, headed to precisely the same goals seems preposterous, at least to me. Thankfully, we have a game that provides for broad player choices.