PvP “slotting” issue

DUTCH_REAPER · October 2018

ZOS is there any way to allow us to slot different items while we are in combat again? Siege, skills able to be swappable adds a pretty dynamic component allowing players to adapt to the situation on the battlefield ie keep defense or offense.

Solariken · October 2018

Yeah seriously, I see no valid reason why we shouldn't be able to change skills slots on combat. I mean you run a huge risk in opening your menu and changing skill slots and may get murdered in the process anyway, so why not?

Not allowing this just causes unnecessary inconvenience.

DUTCH_REAPER · October 2018

It’s not like we have an unfair advantage lol. I mean like the commenter above said. It’s a risk to take. But allows more fluidity on the battlefield. We need this back ZOS please.

Xeniph · October 2018

Solariken wrote: »

Yeah seriously, I see no valid reason why we shouldn't be able to change skills slots on combat. I mean you run a huge risk in opening your menu and changing skill slots and may get murdered in the process anyway, so why not?

Not allowing this just causes unnecessary inconvenience.

Because of the API. It would take a significant amount of resources to change the API to prevent addons being made that would allow totally different load-outs to be swapped in/out during combat.

But hey, I'm game. I'd welcome the massive advantage such an addon could give me

On a side note, they really do need to hammer down and decide an appropriate timer for "in combat". I'd say 30-60 seconds after taking damage sounds reasonable to me. Because this 30 minutes to log out is not fun.

dassneakereb17_ESO · October 2018

it would take less than 5 minutes to write addon/script that allows you to use any skill on keybind
someone was already exploiting this probably

wheem_ESO · October 2018

I just want my Magicka Warden to not be stuck in combat for ages. Played most of a BG with the wrong bar setup because I couldn't get out of combat to switch things out (and it wasn't just due to constant fighting, either).

Eclipse0990 · October 2018

Either they need to allow swapping skills in combat or they need to fix combat bug. Why can they just not make combat range based? So basically if you are x meters away from your enemy, you are out of combat. This could be a very simple way to fix this issue. Going by history, ZOS has tried a lot of things but this bug has remained.

JAwtunes · October 2018

dassneakereb17_ESO wrote: »

it would take less than 5 minutes to write addon/script that allows you to use any skill on keybind
someone was already exploiting this probably

Gear swapping was being exploited on PC with Clever Alchemist - this is why the in combat requirement was added for that set. I can't see a big problem with being able to swap skills in combat but it will be exploited by some.

mojomood · October 2018

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

ZOS is there any way to allow us to slot different items while we are in combat again? Siege, skills able to be swappable adds a pretty dynamic component allowing players to adapt to the situation on the battlefield ie keep defense or offense.

No

Kadoin · October 2018

JAwtunes wrote: »

dassneakereb17_ESO wrote: »

it would take less than 5 minutes to write addon/script that allows you to use any skill on keybind
someone was already exploiting this probably

Gear swapping was being exploited on PC with Clever Alchemist - this is why the in combat requirement was added for that set. I can't see a big problem with being able to swap skills in combat but it will be exploited by some.

Yeah, imagine someone being a weapon master

I have every weapon line at 50 on some chars and the skills of almost every line on my hybrids...

ilander · October 2018

At least Swapskills continued & Alpha gear (i think)addons have a hotkey for changing out skills for PC. This is how many people slot rapid quickly for horse simulator. There's also an addon that will slot rapid if you mount your horse. With people being stuck in combat, these are no longer of any use but then again, I have my doubts that being stuck in combat for minutes at a time is far from intended.

I'm more bothered about the fact that if i engage some enemies outside a keep and come inside the keep to defend more safely, I can't slot anything in my quickslots despite not having engaged in combat for many seconds and on many occassions, even minutes.

What's the use in going inside a keep to defend if you can't slot a meatbag or a fire ballista or whatever??? Should i just stand at the side of the keep attacking the enemies and risk getting killed just because the game won't let me change to the relevant siege weapons to use defensive rather than attacking siege for instance?? Since Murkmire dropped, you basically have to have the range of items you would generally want to use permanently in your quickslots which tends to mean you're gimping yourself somewhere whether it is potions, attacking siege or defending siege and i have serious doubts that this is intended or if it is, then ZOS are rendering many people defending/attacking keeps completely useless. This isn't really consistent with the fast pace that ZOS seem to want combat to work in general for sure.

A couple of patches ago, you could go into stealth and after 5-10 seconds you could change what you had in your slots. Now i'm in the middle of nowhere, not having engaged anyone in ages and i CAN'T EVEN GET INTO STEALTH!!!

Definite SMH material and another bullet in the foot for ZOS as far as i'm concerned.

Xarc · October 2018

Solariken wrote: »

I mean you run a huge risk in opening your menu and changing skill slots and may get murdered in the process anyway, so why not?

You forget some people are able to make addons. Imagine an addon to change your skillbar, by pressing a key. Imagine this guy you are fighting, you will say it's CHEAT, right ?

That's a valid reason for me;

Vapirko · October 2018

The way I see it people already exploit everything in this game that they can. And honestly if they want to swap to a different gear set go ahead. I want something done about the stuck in combat bs. If someone really needs to go around switching builds to try and cheese every fight go for it I say. But as I suggested and others amended in my thread, connecting it to sheathing weapons and a timer would be a pretty decent idea. That way if someone wanted to change their entire loadout they’d have to sheath weapons and then wait 15 seconds or whatever. But if they’re attacked again by any damage including dots it would negate the timer and they would have to start again. I think this would be a big enough deterrent for almost anyone, unless you’re fighting complete noobs in which case they’re dead anyway.

Feanor · October 2018

Gear and skills are one thing. I can see why they restrict that - you should not be able to have a rock for every scissor on the whim of a button press.

The issue really is changing siege and being eternally in combat. They need to fix these.

killahsin · October 2018

Xeniph wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Yeah seriously, I see no valid reason why we shouldn't be able to change skills slots on combat. I mean you run a huge risk in opening your menu and changing skill slots and may get murdered in the process anyway, so why not?

Not allowing this just causes unnecessary inconvenience.

Because of the API. It would take a significant amount of resources to change the API to prevent addons being made that would allow totally different load-outs to be swapped in/out during combat.

But hey, I'm game. I'd welcome the massive advantage such an addon could give me

On a side note, they really do need to hammer down and decide an appropriate timer for "in combat". I'd say 30-60 seconds after taking damage sounds reasonable to me. Because this 30 minutes to log out is not fun.

totally agree with you here. Turn this on and let everyone suffer from the amazing metas that come from this, haha.

Galarthor · October 2018

Xarcus wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

I mean you run a huge risk in opening your menu and changing skill slots and may get murdered in the process anyway, so why not?

You forget some people are able to make addons. Imagine an addon to change your skillbar, by pressing a key. Imagine this guy you are fighting, you will say it's CHEAT, right ?

That's a valid reason for me;

I don't need to imagine such addons. They already exist.
This is a very bad idea for so many different reasons!

DeadlyRecluse · October 2018

Solariken wrote: »

I mean you run a huge risk in opening your menu and changing skill slots and may get murdered in the process anyway, so why not?

Being able to hotswap skills in-combat, especially with addons, would basically tear down one of the cores of ESO design (choosing skills for your bar).

Xarcus wrote: »

You forget some people are able to make addons. Imagine an addon to change your skillbar, by pressing a key. Imagine this guy you are fighting, you will say it's CHEAT, right ?

That's a valid reason for me;

This addon literally exists (multiple versions, really). It's just limited to out-of-combat use, so it's fine.

ErMurazor · October 2018

Gear, skills in Combat No. Slottable items Yes

DUTCH_REAPER · October 2018

Let me get this straight.

I have what I have for skills. I’ve learned them. Yet I can’t slot a skill while in combat? For example. I’m at a keep. Trying to defend it. And I want to slot destro ult. But can’t because of current “in combat”. ?? I’m sorry but non of you have provided a reason articulated enough to explain why I can’t do this.

Point two. I have siege in my bag. I want to slot it. Oh wait I can’t because I’m in combat. I’m sorry but how am I breaking gameplay by slotting siege??

There is no cheat it’s called common sense. If someone makes an add on that exploits report it. But if your telling me the reason I can’t slot siege or change a skill out while in combat is because of someone who will make an add on and exploit well that’s not good enough because for the last 4.5 years we could slot thing while in combat and now it changes??

Lieblingsjunge · October 2018

Feanor wrote: »

Gear and skills are one thing. I can see why they restrict that - you should not be able to have a rock for every scissor on the whim of a button press.

The issue really is changing siege and being eternally in combat. They need to fix these.

This. And it's also annoying that, with the "Stuck in combat"-bugs in the game, that they still made it like this.

Is it really THAT hard for Zenimax to code it, so that "If you've taken damage the last 10 seconds, you can't change skills/quickslots"?

It's slightly annoying when I ride from CHalman to BRK and slot rapids, just to have a group member aggro the NPCs near BRK-Lumber accidentally, and making it impossible for me to de-slot maneuver and slot my combat-useful skill there again.

Or when I siege a keep, in a group, and forget to quickslot my sieges. Then I gotta leave the group => Then ask for a reinvite => Then that reinvite has to work(Which it doesn't always do on the first try....... Even with auto-invite addon enabled).

I agree that you shouldn't be allowed to change skills mid-fight, but not changing it even if your group member is sieging a keep, is annoying.

DUTCH_REAPER · October 2018

Yes thank you! That’s what I’m saying!!

Feanor · October 2018

@Lieblingsjunge

The HoTs are worse. One Rapid Regen or Mutagen cast and you can’t mount for 30 seconds plus.

Lieblingsjunge · October 2018

Feanor wrote: »

@Lieblingsjunge

The HoTs are worse. One Rapid Regen or Mutagen cast and you can’t mount for 30 seconds plus.

Yeah.

DUTCH_REAPER · October 2018

Our poor healers can never mount with the rest of us.

NupidStoob · November 2018

Have people not played before the patch? There was no way to change skills when you were in active combat, only when you were away from the action, but the game deemed you in combat for whatever reason in which case you also couldn't swap gear. So idk where you are pulling this stuff with addons from. Dressing room and alpha gear exist for ages and would give you no advantage in an actual fight, because they simply don't work like you said...

The change is especially annoying in BGs. If you happen to die and feel like you want to change one of your flexslots, but your team is fighting right in front of your spawn you have no chance to swap the skill at all.

danno8 · November 2018

NupidStoob wrote: »

Have people not played before the patch? There was no way to change skills when you were in active combat, only when you were away from the action, but the game deemed you in combat for whatever reason in which case you also couldn't swap gear. So idk where you are pulling this stuff with addons from. Dressing room and alpha gear exist for ages and would give you no advantage in an actual fight, because they simply don't work like you said...

The change is especially annoying in BGs. If you happen to die and feel like you want to change one of your flexslots, but your team is fighting right in front of your spawn you have no chance to swap the skill at all.

Actually before the Murkmire patch you could change skills while in combat as long as enough time had passed between taking/dealing damage. You could not change gear though until combat was entirely dropped.

They "fixed" this and don't allow changing of skills until combat is completely dropped as well now.

Problem is that combat is now eternally activated even if you have not been involved with it at all, or have performed no action/received no damage for several minutes. That absolutely needs to be fixed.

DUTCH_REAPER · November 2018

Still no word on this?

Moonsorrow · November 2018

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Gear and skills are one thing. I can see why they restrict that - you should not be able to have a rock for every scissor on the whim of a button press.

The issue really is changing siege and being eternally in combat. They need to fix these.

This. And it's also annoying that, with the "Stuck in combat"-bugs in the game, that they still made it like this.

Is it really THAT hard for Zenimax to code it, so that "If you've taken damage the last 10 seconds, you can't change skills/quickslots"?

It's slightly annoying when I ride from CHalman to BRK and slot rapids, just to have a group member aggro the NPCs near BRK-Lumber accidentally, and making it impossible for me to de-slot maneuver and slot my combat-useful skill there again.

Or when I siege a keep, in a group, and forget to quickslot my sieges. Then I gotta leave the group => Then ask for a reinvite => Then that reinvite has to work(Which it doesn't always do on the first try....... Even with auto-invite addon enabled).

I agree that you shouldn't be allowed to change skills mid-fight, but not changing it even if your group member is sieging a keep, is annoying.

All of this, fully agree and hoping for a fix. Now it feels clunky and have to like exit the "active battle" and go Crouch/sneak behind a corner or something and then HOPE that can switch a skill or siege at quick slot.

Hope they revert this change, the skill & item slot switches worked nicely before the latest changes. Should not "fix" something that is not broken. If atleast the quick slot items (sieges) was able to switch, that would be great.

@ZOS_GinaBruno pretty please, could you pass on these concerns to the combat team?

Pretty please, with a massive sweetroll on the top?

Spartabunny08 · November 2018

This needs fixed.

DUTCH_REAPER · November 2018

Hey ZOS since your making changes to racial passives please fix the slotting issue as well.

pzschrek · November 2018

that’s nice and all, but I just want to be able to get on my horse or port in a timeframe relevant to the age of the universe