Revert Nerfmire.
ezio45
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Simple question, do you want nerfmire's combat changes remove from eso? Everything reverted to wolfhunter.
Revert Nerfmire. 96 votes
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No
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jrgray93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoI keep seeing everyone using this witty and original name for the DLC but not providing specific complaints. What aspects of it do you not like?EP: Slania Isara : Harambe Was an Inside Job3 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoNo, I would rather pain points be addressed and we build on the changes ZOS put forth rather than rolling them back.
If we keep stepping back every time a group don't like a change then we won't actually make any progress, better ZOS keeps the balance direction they want but try to iron out the frustrations it causes the players.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭YesI keep seeing everyone using this witty and original name for the DLC but not providing specific complaints. What aspects of it do you not like?
Thats because players have been complaining about this since PTS day 1 zos, knows our arguments by now.
But for this thread I will repeat them
- Everything they did to sorcerer
- Everything they did to warden
- Everything they did to nb
- Nerf to expedition
- Sustain nerf to dk
- Elemental weapons nerf
- Light armor changes
- Shield changesEdited by ezio45 on October 23, 2018 1:24PM2 -
ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭YesNo, I would rather pain points be addressed and we build on the changes ZOS put forth rather than rolling them back.
If we keep stepping back every time a group don't like a change then we won't actually make any progress, better ZOS keeps the balance direction they want but try to iron out the frustrations it causes the players.
Typically I agree but the majority of this patch has been opposed since day one by a majority of players, these arnt minor tweaks to be made. Its not like oh they hit this too hard, they hit everything to hard across the board0 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No
Any massive change in a system within a game will have this outcry though. No matter what ZOS came to the table with regarding balancing shield people were going to be mad because they liked how they were.No, I would rather pain points be addressed and we build on the changes ZOS put forth rather than rolling them back.
If we keep stepping back every time a group don't like a change then we won't actually make any progress, better ZOS keeps the balance direction they want but try to iron out the frustrations it causes the players.
Typically I agree but the majority of this patch has been opposed since day one by a majority of players, these arnt minor tweaks to be made. Its not like oh they hit this too hard, they hit everything to hard across the board
ZOS wanted to do something, so they took a shot at it. The first try was way off the pulse so they reeled it back and went with another option.
@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes
Any massive change in a system within a game will have this outcry though. No matter what ZOS came to the table with regarding balancing shield people were going to be mad because they liked how they were.No, I would rather pain points be addressed and we build on the changes ZOS put forth rather than rolling them back.
If we keep stepping back every time a group don't like a change then we won't actually make any progress, better ZOS keeps the balance direction they want but try to iron out the frustrations it causes the players.
Typically I agree but the majority of this patch has been opposed since day one by a majority of players, these arnt minor tweaks to be made. Its not like oh they hit this too hard, they hit everything to hard across the board
ZOS wanted to do something, so they took a shot at it. The first try was way off the pulse so they reeled it back and went with another option.
and the better option, crippled all magic, crippled sorc, took a good stab at nb, and dk sustain. Entire types of builds arent just weaker there completely gone.1 -
Vahrokh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes
Any massive change in a system within a game will have this outcry though. No matter what ZOS came to the table with regarding balancing shield people were going to be mad because they liked how they were.No, I would rather pain points be addressed and we build on the changes ZOS put forth rather than rolling them back.
If we keep stepping back every time a group don't like a change then we won't actually make any progress, better ZOS keeps the balance direction they want but try to iron out the frustrations it causes the players.
Typically I agree but the majority of this patch has been opposed since day one by a majority of players, these arnt minor tweaks to be made. Its not like oh they hit this too hard, they hit everything to hard across the board
ZOS wanted to do something, so they took a shot at it. The first try was way off the pulse so they reeled it back and went with another option.
It's wrong to even do "massive changes".
No, it's not 2014 and no, we aren't in open beta any more.
At this point:
- the game should play smoothly,
- classes should have a purpose,
- gameplay should have a direction and
- changes should be gradual.
I know something about what I say, I develop software since 1983.Edited by Vahrokh on October 23, 2018 1:45PMVaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No
I'm reserving my judgement on just how crippled things are for the moment. In my years playing MMO games or those with constant balance passes I've seen things called crippled or RIP many times, yet weeks later the changes have sunk in, people have adapted and it's back to screaming L2P at each other.
Any massive change in a system within a game will have this outcry though. No matter what ZOS came to the table with regarding balancing shield people were going to be mad because they liked how they were.No, I would rather pain points be addressed and we build on the changes ZOS put forth rather than rolling them back.
If we keep stepping back every time a group don't like a change then we won't actually make any progress, better ZOS keeps the balance direction they want but try to iron out the frustrations it causes the players.
Typically I agree but the majority of this patch has been opposed since day one by a majority of players, these arnt minor tweaks to be made. Its not like oh they hit this too hard, they hit everything to hard across the board
ZOS wanted to do something, so they took a shot at it. The first try was way off the pulse so they reeled it back and went with another option.
and the better option, crippled all magic, crippled sorc, took a good stab at nb, and dk sustain. Entire types of builds arent just weaker there completely gone.
@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."3 -
ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes
I'm reserving my judgement on just how crippled things are for the moment. In my years playing MMO games or those with constant balance passes I've seen things called crippled or RIP many times, yet weeks later the changes have sunk in, people have adapted and it's back to screaming L2P at each other.
Any massive change in a system within a game will have this outcry though. No matter what ZOS came to the table with regarding balancing shield people were going to be mad because they liked how they were.No, I would rather pain points be addressed and we build on the changes ZOS put forth rather than rolling them back.
If we keep stepping back every time a group don't like a change then we won't actually make any progress, better ZOS keeps the balance direction they want but try to iron out the frustrations it causes the players.
Typically I agree but the majority of this patch has been opposed since day one by a majority of players, these arnt minor tweaks to be made. Its not like oh they hit this too hard, they hit everything to hard across the board
ZOS wanted to do something, so they took a shot at it. The first try was way off the pulse so they reeled it back and went with another option.
and the better option, crippled all magic, crippled sorc, took a good stab at nb, and dk sustain. Entire types of builds arent just weaker there completely gone.
we shall see, personally i think this patch is a massive step in the wrong direction1 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoI'm not happy, but it's early days yet. I'll adapt. But it's still nerfmire.
In general, undoing something like a major update to a game causes FAR worse issues than just waiting to see what they do over time with the most egregious problems.Edited by Sylvermynx on October 23, 2018 1:58PM1 -
RedTalon✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoSorcs had the easy life for to long and needed to be punished like every other class has over the years for people taking the easy way can blame min.maxers for it2 -
Donny_Vito✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoLoving all the NB whining threads today. Keep em' coming! Can't wait until console release and get to hear them in zone chat, too!
Edit: But seriously....looking forward to this patch on console.Edited by Donny_Vito on October 23, 2018 2:04PM0 -
Creationofgod✭✭✭Nono , adapt !
some builds are harder to play, so what ? gives you something to learn and do ! whats fun about everything being the same all the time ? i get it , that people would love to have overpowered builds and play an easy game!
but i dont see anything fun about playing a game if there is no risk or learning curve with it.
things change stop crying.
if something happens in real life thats out of your control would you adapt or just cry and give up ?
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Galaen_Frost✭✭✭NoGot hit by quite a few of the nerfs; passive dodge removal, reduced roll dodge, all the NB changes and the Major Expedition changes. I had to use a potion to finish killing a WB solo last night. WTF ZoS?
(That last part was sarcasm, adapt and move forward)Edited by Galaen_Frost on October 23, 2018 2:08PMWandering the lands of Tamriel, waiting for the hammer to drop.1 -
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QFT. Renowned game designers know this:- the game should play smoothly,
- classes should have a purpose,
- gameplay should have a direction and
- changes should be gradual.
I know something about what I say, I develop software since 1983.
Balancing means FINE-TUNING.
What does fine-tuning mean? It means getting slowly to a sweet spot by changing MINOR aspects in MODERATE ways. In contrast, Merkmire is using a HAMMER for BEATING on several things at the same time.
The way of Balance - changing MINOR aspects patiently in MODERATE WAYS:
The way of Murkmire - changing MAJOR aspects in a rush and at AT THE SAME TIME:
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