CP or no CP?

Datolite · October 2018

That is the question. I asked this in the campaigns forum but it's dead in there...

For all of you who have jumped at one point between the different campaigns, what are your opinions?

Do you find combat and lag better in noCP environment? Is there more prestige or challenge in a CP campaign? Where are all the big guilds? The heavy hitters, the streamers and well-known PvPers? Are you squishier in CP or noCP? Are there specialty builds that thrive better in either mode?

All of these questions I have, and more. But most importantly, which campaigns are more stable, in your opinion? I have been playing in Vivec since I can remember and the load screens and lag can get unbearable. I think I might be looking for a change, if the move is worth it...

RABIDxWOLVERINE · October 2018

No CP

Ive never played a no CP campaign but I have been playing BG recently and I feel like Im much more competitive in that setting. Not sure if its smaller group or no cp or being under lvl 50 but it seems more balanced with no CP in my opinion. But Im not a big PVPer so take it for what its worth... not much lol

Nemeliom · October 2018

No CP

I haven't played no cp for some months, but I don't remember experiencing lag issues there. Vivec on the other hand is a lag fest on prime time.
Now, if you go for the 7 day cp campaign, there's no lag there. So I use it as guest campaign.

Ender1310 · October 2018

No CP

Seems like No CP was how the game was meant to be played. And I have all the CP in the world.

frostz417 · October 2018

CP

Non CP is offensively unbalanced
CP is defensively unbalanced

When I go into BG’s it’s nothibg but proc sets, snipe spammers and pet sorcs. Due to the extreme offensive unbalanced non CP provides, proc sets and cancer builds like snipe builds and pet sorcs shine in this setting. However, remove all the stupid proc Sets, snipe builds and zoo keepers, I’d say no CP can be a bit more challenging and competitive. But until all these terrible proc sets, snipe spammers, and zoo keeper pet sorcs are removed. No CP will continue to be a place of just no skill trash.

magictucktuck · October 2018

No CP

no CP is a lot more fun, but besides battlegrounds cyro is dead on no cp

Datolite · October 2018

No CP

magictucktuck wrote: »

no CP is a lot more fun, but besides battlegrounds cyro is dead on no cp

I'm leaning more towards no CP as well but is there any real presence in Cyro? Are all the big guilds in CP campaigns?

Brutusmax1mus · October 2018

Both!?

If youre talking about cyrodiil, you'll get very bored in no cp.

Bgs on the other hand are fast paced a blast.

Vivec is awesome as well, especially if your goal is to be outnumbered and beat the odds.

Flame_of_Hades · October 2018

No CP

no-CP feels alot more skilled when you get a kill. if you end up with a 5-10 min 1v1, its because you are on a very close skill level with the person (assuming they aren't full tank). in cp, if your alone, you will get 5-10 min 1v1's simply because people have so much passive tank at max cp.

Datolite · October 2018

No CP

Flame_of_Hades wrote: »

no-CP feels alot more skilled when you get a kill. if you end up with a 5-10 min 1v1, its because you are on a very close skill level with the person (assuming they aren't full tank). in cp, if your alone, you will get 5-10 min 1v1's simply because people have so much passive tank at max cp.

That's my main issue with CP is the crazy tank factor of some of the builds, 1vXing with no risk involved. I enjoy the balance in noCP more.

DeadlyRecluse · October 2018

Both!?

I always carry gearings for both, because on any given night you don't know where the "good" PvP is going to be.

Some nights I can't play Vivec for technical reasons and Shor is dead...so I hop in Sotha. Some nights Sotha is all yellow and there's nothing to do, so I have to hope Shor is hopping.

Asardes · October 2018

No CP

1) I enjoy the gameplay more, with shorter, more intense fights in no-CP. I tried CP and some fights are a slog fest: I take very little damage, even in light/medium armor (I don't play heavy) and so does the other player so the kills are too few to keep me satisfied. The extra 20% stats, as well as mitigation from various resistance CP disproportionately favors defensive play-stiles.

2) Much less lag in Cyrodiil, even during large battles & sieges. I'm getting >30 FPS consistently in Sotha Sil, and <150 ping, while on a similar size battle in Vivec I get <10 FPS and 250 ping with frequent 999+ spikes and frequent stoppages, when the screen freezes for a few seconds after which I'm dead on the ground since I got hit by 101 skills, sieges etc.

3) I don't need to change my CP from PvE, and I change only the gear and consumables, and rarely the mundus, which is much less cumbersome. BGs are no-CP so I can easily change between Cyrodiil and those. I stopped playing BGs for a whole patch, when they made them CP, for the reason stated at #1.

Urvoth · October 2018

No CP

Non-CP is way better overall. Players are less tanky, group composition matters more, and there are noticeable trade offs for builds. BGs are where PvP shines the best, imo. Although I think a 2 team system would be better, BGs are still way less laggy and you're not fighting zergs.

Dojohoda · October 2018

No CP

I have pvp'ed more in no-cp campaigns during the past few months. Overall, I PVP less because of the wonky server.

Crixus8000 · October 2018

No CP

I prefer no cp. I started here because I didn't have high cp, then through playing it I got to max cp and just stayed.

In cp gampaigns people stack much more damage, because everyone has so much survivability and sustain from cp. Dueling in no cp usualy always ends in a winner, but dueling in cp pvp in my experience usually always ends in a draw or a very long boring fight.

Because you don't need to stack stupidly high amounts of damage to get kills it means more build options too.

I still get insane lag and fps drops here though, it's unplayable prime time, or for me anyway, I seem to die often to people pulling off timed combos when I can't even use 1 buff.

ATomiX96 · October 2018

No CP

people who argue blue and red cp cancel each other out clearly have no idea how the game works.

Noncp gives you better time to kill, you actually have to put defensives into your build, less lag, EP ZERGS ON SOTHA SIL EU

which makes the whole campaign unplayable for smallscalers and solo players.

Thraben · October 2018

No CP

Datolite wrote: »

That is the question. I asked this in the campaigns forum but it's dead in there...

For all of you who have jumped at one point between the different campaigns, what are your opinions?

Do you find combat and lag better in noCP environment? Is there more prestige or challenge in a CP campaign? Where are all the big guilds? The heavy hitters, the streamers and well-known PvPers? Are you squishier in CP or noCP? Are there specialty builds that thrive better in either mode?

All of these questions I have, and more. But most importantly, which campaigns are more stable, in your opinion? I have been playing in Vivec since I can remember and the load screens and lag can get unbearable. I think I might be looking for a change, if the move is worth it...

1. Lag on Vivec is unbearable.
2. On EU both Vivec and Sotha are roughly equal in "Prestige".
3. On EU, the "big guilds" tend to be on Vivec. Sotha is dominated by medium scale guilds - and the red zerg.
4. Well known PvPlers tend to play on both servers.
5. NoCP makes non-tank builds squishier.
6. Yes. Glass canon builds prefer CP, as do extreme tank builds.
7. Shor is the most stable campaign, I guess.

evoniee · October 2018

CP

no cp = no counterpplay

lucky_dutch · October 2018

CP

There’s a lot of lag in both but at least CP diminish the effectiveness of set bonuses and thus makes non-tank builds more viable.

BGs are utterly dominated by heavy AoE builds and it’s super-boring.

Brutusmax1mus · October 2018

Both!?

Not much is more fun than outplaying a zerg group with 3 ppl though.

Zer0oo · October 2018

in both campaign is lag during prime time but in no cp there are less ball grps so less lag
in cp are more better players and in no-cp are a lot new players (if you look for slaughtering noobs no cp is quite nice)
both no cp and cp are unbalanced but i like the balance from cp more

no-cp:
Unbalanced sets are less a problem in cp while procs are extrem strong in no cp
race/build short-comings can be balanced with cp
no-cp pvp is most of the time decided by number and less by skill (getting outnumbered is really hard in no cp)
no-cp favors stamina by a lot open world

cp:
more lag and ball grps
it is easier to build to be unkillable (you will see a lot of templer healbots)

Juhasow · October 2018

Both......are broken

Casul · October 2018

Both!?

Both I enjoy both BG and Vivec Zerg Surfing

fred4 · October 2018

Far too many questions. You might be better off simply asking what people play.

Saying there is no lag in no CP, and/or no population, is, I believe, true for NA. Not so for PC EU, where Sotha Sil is almost as full as Vivec.

Is it not mostly what you're used to? I like CP. I like being able to survive and possibly turn a fight as a solo player. However, even as a tanky magplar (near cap resistances, 3.1K crit resist, ice staff), I can still be bursted to near unfair levels by a suitably specced stamblade in CP. In no CP, I feel, the element of surprise, having the initiative and being the aggressor, is even stronger. This is not actually something I like, or at least I'm not used to it. That, and the fact that bleeds / procs clearly overperform, has never made me feel that no CP is better, just different.

leepalmer95 · October 2018

No CP

Non cp has its problems.

But it has a lot less than cp which is a mess. Either run heavy and 30k hp or don't bother.

bagon · October 2018

frostz417 wrote: »

Non CP is offensively unbalanced
CP is defensively unbalanced

When I go into BG’s it’s nothibg but proc sets, snipe spammers and pet sorcs. Due to the extreme offensive unbalanced non CP provides, proc sets and cancer builds like snipe builds and pet sorcs shine in this setting. However, remove all the stupid proc Sets, snipe builds and zoo keepers, I’d say no CP can be a bit more challenging and competitive. But until all these terrible proc sets, snipe spammers, and zoo keeper pet sorcs are removed. No CP will continue to be a place of just no skill trash.

Cp is the place for no skill trash. Healers, high hp builds, and tanks thrive way more in cp. No cp all those zerglings are quick easy kills.

Turelus · October 2018

No CP

Much prefer no CP as it means I can transition back and forth from PvE and PvP, as well as just feeling more like old Cyrodiil/PvP.

NupidStoob · October 2018

If I don't feel like doing BGs and Sotha is empty I will go to Vivec. I don't really enjoy CP PvP much as all the builds feel very sameish and the infinite resources can make some fights very boring quickly. Vivec is also very zergy and pretty much unplayable during primetime simply because more people play it. On weekends Shor can be really nice as the fights aren't too big.

BNOC · October 2018

No CP

If you go play No-CP you'll be amazed at the amount of 'strong' players that get lit up with ease. No-CP also breaks a lot of the meta-chasers builds and shortens their crutches significantly.

Literally anyone can permanently survive against another player in CP, if they want to (Survival seems to be the main go-to for most players as some kind of proof of skill, zzzzz) - It's mind numbing and doesn't take any skill to be aided by infinite stats.

In CP I can have fights that last 15 minutes to the point where you stand still and just all walk off in different directions - In No-CP, I either die or they do.

Defilted · October 2018

CP

Sotha Sil XBOX NA is where you go when you need to complete a non-PVP objective becasue there might be 3 other people in there on prime-time.

On a rare occasion I will see one bar yellow in prime time, never one bar for blue or red.

Vivec-XBOX NA if you want to fight huge battles
Shore-XBOX NA if you want to fight smaller battles and more experienced players.

Cp i where I play becasue I have spent a good deal of time earning them so I am going to use them. If ZOS decides to rip them out and go with something else , so be it, but playing in no-resources(No-CP) is boring and not fun.

I am not going to rebuild any of my PVP characters so I can play there. BG suck becasue it is only 12 people. If I want to fight small I can duel. NO one plays in non-CP Cyro on xbox.

Cyro is fun becasue it is hundreds of people and I enjoy the chaos.

Minno · October 2018

Both!?

I said both because I am willing to bet, as soon as you stack sotha pops and stack keep fights, you are going to wish you played BGs lol.

As of now, sotha does not have the same pop as vivec so it's harder to compare. Off prime time vivec works just the same as primetime sotha.

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