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People Seem to forget about Twilight Matriarch

  • WhiteCoatSyndrome
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    Just having to double-bar it makes it unworkable for me. :/ Every time I switch to use Rapids - oops! There goes my pet!
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  • BigBadVolk
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    Also people forgot that NBs have edgy named skills, but sorcs has the suicidal pets
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  • Aedaryl
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    When pets can be shielded, they are pretty on live.

    Cast time on shield and cast time on pet need to go.
  • Aebaradath
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    Make the Twilight immortal, then we can talk.
    Only in PvE, then we can talk. I have no interest in seeing immortal pets flying around in PvP that do damage.
  • Biro123
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    Make the Twilight immortal, then we can talk.
    Only in PvE, then we can talk. I have no interest in seeing immortal pets flying around in PvP that do damage.

    Why not? Shadowrend is just fine.
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  • Aebaradath
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    Biro123 wrote: »
    Make the Twilight immortal, then we can talk.
    Only in PvE, then we can talk. I have no interest in seeing immortal pets flying around in PvP that do damage.

    Why not? Shadowrend is just fine.
    So you're OK with immortal pets in PvP? Guess we're at an impasse.
  • technohic
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    Biro123 wrote: »
    Make the Twilight immortal, then we can talk.
    Only in PvE, then we can talk. I have no interest in seeing immortal pets flying around in PvP that do damage.

    Why not? Shadowrend is just fine.
    So you're OK with immortal pets in PvP? Guess we're at an impasse.

    It's not like the twilight is devastating. For the most part; I ignore they are there other than being a great target for eclipse to give me free heals at one point. Kill them by killing the player that summoned them.
  • WrathOfInnos
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    Kadoin wrote: »
    Make the Twilight immortal, then we can talk.

    No, because it does damage and can be targeted...That would have to change. And then the heal on it as well...

    I would gladly give up the Matriarch’s 2-3k DPS if it meant a reliable burst heal. I don’t care at all that it is targetable, take that too. If we could avoid constantly shielding to keep it alive, and the horrible resummoning cast time, it would be incredible for Sorc healing. I would also recommend removing the double bar requirement if it’s not going to function as a separate creature that can be killed or targeted.

    For those that want to keep the pet damage, and have a summoned ally, the Tormentor morph could stay the same.
  • PickleRick
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    Twilight could be immortal.

    The heal is already absurdly expensive and totally unsustainable plus it takes 2 bars. Just make it untargetable so it can’t be an unkillable walking LoS.

    As to it doing small amounts of damage but being unkillable, you can’t kill any other DoTs either. It takes up two skill slots so it’s not unbalanced to offer what is effectively a small DoT and a burst heal.
    Edited by PickleRick on September 22, 2018 6:46PM
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  • Nicko_Lps
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    Biro123 wrote: »
    Make the Twilight immortal, then we can talk.
    Only in PvE, then we can talk. I have no interest in seeing immortal pets flying around in PvP that do damage.

    Why not? Shadowrend is just fine.
    So you're OK with immortal pets in PvP? Guess we're at an impasse.

    Only mighty whineblade has immortal pet.

    Sorc cannot have what mighty forum whiners fought for years to achieve.
  • AhPook_Is_Here
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  • PickleRick
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    Nicko_Lps wrote: »
    Biro123 wrote: »
    Make the Twilight immortal, then we can talk.
    Only in PvE, then we can talk. I have no interest in seeing immortal pets flying around in PvP that do damage.

    Why not? Shadowrend is just fine.
    So you're OK with immortal pets in PvP? Guess we're at an impasse.

    Only mighty whineblade has immortal pet.

    Sorc cannot have what mighty forum whiners fought for years to achieve.

    Um, Warden has an unkillable pet.
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  • ezio45
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    twilight is actually pretty useless, especially without shields.

    In pve, I doubt it is viable for any petsorc to use scamp and twilight as that is a total of 4 bar slots +aegis and inner light do 6
    both twilight and scamp are going to be unusable now with how quick they will die

    I dont see any non pet sorcs switching either as the rest of how they are build increases how fast the summon would die and would decrease the heal off it
  • Konstant_Tel_Necris
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    Nicko_Lps wrote: »
    Biro123 wrote: »
    Make the Twilight immortal, then we can talk.
    Only in PvE, then we can talk. I have no interest in seeing immortal pets flying around in PvP that do damage.

    Why not? Shadowrend is just fine.
    So you're OK with immortal pets in PvP? Guess we're at an impasse.

    Only mighty whineblade has immortal pet.

    Sorc cannot have what mighty forum whiners fought for years to achieve.

    Yes and it can be one barred, can do damage and have free activation for alternative skill, only problem its stationar like sorc Storm Atronach.
  • Cinbri
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    @Dracane just when we talked about matriarch :D
  • jbjondeaueb17_ESO
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    PickleRick wrote: »
    Twilight could be immortal.

    The heal is already absurdly expensive and totally unsustainable plus it takes 2 bars. Just make it untargetable so it can’t be an unkillable walking LoS.

    As to it doing small amounts of damage but being unkillable, you can’t kill any other DoTs either. It takes up two skill slots so it’s not unbalanced to offer what is effectively a small DoT and a burst heal.

    I agree with the 2 bars issue but are you aware that BoL of the Templar is 25% more expensive and heal for less ?
    So it would be nice to have accurate informations before complaining about everything.
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