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Would it be bad if they sold skill points in the crown store?

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Like the title says, would there be an argument to not sell skill points in the crown store? I would definitely buy them in bulk if that's how they sell it. I have 15 toons, it's extremely boring to do the same quests/skyshard hunt over and over, and not even talking about psijic skill line and mage's guild, but I guess that's not the point of the post.
  • Elsonso
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    Yes, it would be a bad thing, in my opinion.
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  • Starlight_Knight
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    very bad thing. would be pay to win.
  • SickleCider
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    I'm not sure it'd be the worst thing, but I don't like to think about what it could potentially open the door for.
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  • GuyNamedSean
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    Yeah. Very bad thing.
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  • imredneckson
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    Yep
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    It I something we do not have to worry about happening. At least not for years.
  • Glass
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    very bad thing. would be pay to win.

    how would it be pay to win? the way I see it is a comodity, like having scrolls to speed up your xp or to improve your mount. It doesn't give you an advantage to anyone else in the game, it just saves you time.
    Edited by Glass on August 19, 2018 8:34PM
  • Elsonso
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    very bad thing. would be pay to win.

    While not pay to win, it would still be bad for the game. It tends to compress the game. Like being born and immediately moving to a retirement community.

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  • Itacira
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    That's the very definition of P2W, guys ?You woud get skill points that other people don't ? How would hat NOT be ???
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  • Runs
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    Glass wrote: »
    very bad thing. would be pay to win.

    how would it be pay to win? the way I see it is a comodity, like having scrolls to speed up your xp or to improve your mount. It doesn't give you an advantage to anyone else in the game, it just saves you time.

    Not even remotely close to the same country that the ballpark is in. You would still have access to all the other skill points. Thus you could have more than could be obtained in game, instead of just being a time saver.

    This would give incentive for them not to include new skill points as quest rewards, while introducing new skills, ingame too.

    This would be insanely OP in under 50 campaign, or for low level twinks just running BGs. As every normal source of skill points will raise level, this would not.
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  • xCryBxbyx
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    it wouldn't be the worst idea but there would have to be a limit and i think it would have to be only available for people at cp levels because its so easy to get skill points from levels 1-50. (EDIT - i still don't think its something that should be implemented but this is just the only way i think it would be OK to add it)
    Edited by xCryBxbyx on August 20, 2018 12:20AM
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  • NolaArch
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    Yes, bad idea.
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  • Elsonso
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    Itacira wrote: »
    That's the very definition of P2W, guys ?You woud get skill points that other people don't ? How would hat NOT be ???

    It would not be P2W if you could not buy more than are available in the game. (Edit: still a bad idea... )
    Edited by Elsonso on August 20, 2018 12:01AM
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  • VaranisArano
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    Unlike the other pay-for-convenience items in the Crown Store, which allow you to bypass mount training delays, research delays, and to speed up leveling by a small but appreciable amount, a Skill Point Buy would allow players to skip content.

    Really?

    Yeah. See, you need a certain amount of skill points to make a decent build. 50 come from leveling, and after that you get them from skyshards, public dungeons, major quests, group dungeons, and PVP ranks.

    The more skill points you need, the more types of content you have to do. For that matter, new DLC and Chapters grant new skyshard and new dungeon skill points, so that's a benefit to having access to that content. And if you dont think that ZOS cares more about how much you play the game than how happy you are while you play the game, I point you to review the way ZOS keeps adding to the grind of this game.

    So the real question isn't "should ZOS let us buy skill points?" Its "Why on earth would ZOS want to undercut the need for skill points that drives people to do different types of content and one of the benefits of having access to new content as well as keeping you playing the game longer by selling skill points in the Crown Store?"
  • DanteYoda
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    Yes people seem to have this issue with pay to win.. Not sure how skill points would be pay to win..


    More like pay to not grind or pay to save time..
    Edited by DanteYoda on August 20, 2018 12:53PM
  • SilverWF
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    Well, it would be nothing, coz currently available SPs in the game (~400) allows to learn most (if not all) skills and passives, even not needed: another armors or weapons etc
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  • Watchdog
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    Yes, it would be bad. Very bad. No Pay to Win in ESO, please.
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  • Morgul667
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    Yes, it would be a bad thing.
  • Glass
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    Watchdog wrote: »
    Yes, it would be bad. Very bad. No Pay to Win in ESO, please.

    I guess people still doesn't understand what P2W is. While I could agree with some arguments p2w is far from what this post is trying to debate.
    To put it in perspective, if they would sell you a sword that does 40k dps on light attacks that would pay to win.

    Besides, and apart from that point of view, everything in the crown store right now is available to buy with in game gold as crown gifts from other players. That was my whole intention in the OP after all.
  • Reverb
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    Yes it would be bad.

    It's not p2w, because you can only slot 10 skills and 2 ults no matter how many points you have, and the skills and morphs are the available to everyone. Buying them wouldn't give any advantage over players who didn't buy them.

    But it would incentivize not playing the game, and that's a bad thing for the health and longevity of the game and community.
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  • Beardimus
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    Yes, very bad.
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  • RedTalon
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    It would make the game pay to win.....selling skill points is one of the very meanings of pay to win.

    Would make the game hardcore pay to win
  • DirkRavenclaw
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    I would consider stopping with playing this Game if it goes that Way, too much already is in the Crownstore. This is a MMO, and a MMO at this that isnt for tht casuell Player. With Addons, you still need your 10 to 15 mins for your dailly writs, then Inventory Management, even with ESO Plus, and then you can start playing. You learn more by reading Books, finding stuff, skillpoints are the main way to get better
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  • Mureel
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    Glass wrote: »
    Like the title says, would there be an argument to not sell skill points in the crown store? I would definitely buy them in bulk if that's how they sell it. I have 15 toons, it's extremely boring to do the same quests/skyshard hunt over and over, and not even talking about psijic skill line and mage's guild, but I guess that's not the point of the post.

    IDK why people make SO MANY CHARACTERS when they don't want to play them.
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    Mureel wrote: »
    IDK why people make SO MANY CHARACTERS when they don't want to play them.

    This.

    As a side not, it seems that every one-two weeks a discussion comes up asking to make something inappropriate available through the crown store: I remember one asking for level up, now it's skill point, what's next? Achievements?

    Also they quickly devolve into discussion about what is and isn't P2W.

    I may be wrong, but I don't see any purpose in these discussions other than trolling.
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  • Glass
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    Mureel wrote: »
    Glass wrote: »
    Like the title says, would there be an argument to not sell skill points in the crown store? I would definitely buy them in bulk if that's how they sell it. I have 15 toons, it's extremely boring to do the same quests/skyshard hunt over and over, and not even talking about psijic skill line and mage's guild, but I guess that's not the point of the post.

    IDK why people make SO MANY CHARACTERS when they don't want to play them.

    Who said that I don't wanna play them? I play with all of them except 1, is just the skyshard hunting is a hassle, is not part of the fun playing like doing dungeons, PvP or trials. I have 5 stam and 5 mag toons of each class and 4 dedicated PvP toons, the other one ended up being a mule.
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    Glass wrote: »
    Mureel wrote: »
    Glass wrote: »
    Like the title says, would there be an argument to not sell skill points in the crown store? I would definitely buy them in bulk if that's how they sell it. I have 15 toons, it's extremely boring to do the same quests/skyshard hunt over and over, and not even talking about psijic skill line and mage's guild, but I guess that's not the point of the post.

    IDK why people make SO MANY CHARACTERS when they don't want to play them.

    Who said that I don't wanna play them? I play with all of them except 1, is just the skyshard hunting is a hassle, is not part of the fun playing like doing dungeons, PvP or trials. I have 5 stam and 5 mag toons of each class and 4 dedicated PvP toons, the other one ended up being a mule.

    Congratulations. You have now discovered that ZOS' secret to keeping this game going is to encourage you to roll alts and then make leveling those alts properly a grind, so that you add hours upon hours to your gameplay and thus increase the lifespan of ESO.

    ZOS cares about how much you play, not how happy you are while you play it.

    In my experience, ZOS is vanishingly unlikely to trade short-term profit (crown store skillpoint sales) for the long term profits of people playing the game for long periods of time. that's pretty much what their current set-up for the game is: keep players grinding for as long as we can so they keep playing the game for as long as they can stand the meta-chasing grind.
  • Glass
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    Glass wrote: »
    Mureel wrote: »
    Glass wrote: »
    Like the title says, would there be an argument to not sell skill points in the crown store? I would definitely buy them in bulk if that's how they sell it. I have 15 toons, it's extremely boring to do the same quests/skyshard hunt over and over, and not even talking about psijic skill line and mage's guild, but I guess that's not the point of the post.

    IDK why people make SO MANY CHARACTERS when they don't want to play them.

    Who said that I don't wanna play them? I play with all of them except 1, is just the skyshard hunting is a hassle, is not part of the fun playing like doing dungeons, PvP or trials. I have 5 stam and 5 mag toons of each class and 4 dedicated PvP toons, the other one ended up being a mule.

    Congratulations. You have now discovered that ZOS' secret to keeping this game going is to encourage you to roll alts and then make leveling those alts properly a grind, so that you add hours upon hours to your gameplay and thus increase the lifespan of ESO.

    ZOS cares about how much you play, not how happy you are while you play it.

    In my experience, ZOS is vanishingly unlikely to trade short-term profit (crown store skillpoint sales) for the long term profits of people playing the game for long periods of time. that's pretty much what their current set-up for the game is: keep players grinding for as long as we can so they keep playing the game for as long as they can stand the meta-chasing grind.

    Wrong, it could be for someone else but not for me. Once I hit 50 I get undaunted with the dungeons that I like to do and my last 3 toons that i remember got the xp out of pvping in kyne or bgs and before doing lowbie dungeons with my gf.
    The only thing that I need to grind is enough skill points for the passives, and surely that grind is not what keeps me playing, that's why the post after all.

    Edited by Glass on August 20, 2018 12:46PM
  • VaranisArano
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    Glass wrote: »
    Glass wrote: »
    Mureel wrote: »
    Glass wrote: »
    Like the title says, would there be an argument to not sell skill points in the crown store? I would definitely buy them in bulk if that's how they sell it. I have 15 toons, it's extremely boring to do the same quests/skyshard hunt over and over, and not even talking about psijic skill line and mage's guild, but I guess that's not the point of the post.

    IDK why people make SO MANY CHARACTERS when they don't want to play them.

    Who said that I don't wanna play them? I play with all of them except 1, is just the skyshard hunting is a hassle, is not part of the fun playing like doing dungeons, PvP or trials. I have 5 stam and 5 mag toons of each class and 4 dedicated PvP toons, the other one ended up being a mule.

    Congratulations. You have now discovered that ZOS' secret to keeping this game going is to encourage you to roll alts and then make leveling those alts properly a grind, so that you add hours upon hours to your gameplay and thus increase the lifespan of ESO.

    ZOS cares about how much you play, not how happy you are while you play it.

    In my experience, ZOS is vanishingly unlikely to trade short-term profit (crown store skillpoint sales) for the long term profits of people playing the game for long periods of time. that's pretty much what their current set-up for the game is: keep players grinding for as long as we can so they keep playing the game for as long as they can stand the meta-chasing grind.

    Wrong, it could be for someone else but not for me. Once I hit 50 I get undaunted with the dungeons that I like to do and my last 3 toons that i remember got the xp out of pvping in kyne or bgs and before doing lowbie dungeons with my gf.
    The only thing that I need to grind is enough skill points for the passives, and surely that grind is not what keeps me playing, that's why the post after all.

    Nah, I doubt too many people play for the sake of grinding. But you have to grind in order play the parts of the game you like. That's why ZOS does it, because players want to play the parts they like, so they are willing to grind, which extends their playtime more than if they got to jump straight to the parts they like.
  • Wise_Will
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    Yes, i wouldn't be opposed to being able to buy a maximum of 5 Skill points, for something like 1mill AP Each or something like that, but defiantly not on the crown store, and defiantly not unlimited amounts.
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