Giving this a last-ditch bump, since there's still a slim chance for a last-minute revision on patch day.
Either way, thanks for the support and extensive discussion. Perhaps we can raise the issue again once the next PTS cycle rolls around.
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Bumping this in light of recent discussion into the topic.
Additionally, it seems that Magsorc may be shoehorned into frontbarring the Master's destro again next patch, with the disastrous upcoming changes to Rune Cage. So ensuring that frontbar Arena weapons remain competitive is of renewed importance.
Bumping this in light of recent discussion into the topic.
Additionally, it seems that Magsorc may be shoehorned into frontbarring the Master's destro again next patch, with the disastrous upcoming changes to Rune Cage. So ensuring that frontbar Arena weapons remain competitive is of renewed importance.
But masrter destro reach spam meta camed after stats were taken away from arena weapons and it was not an issue for anyone to spam reach like crazy.
Bumping this in light of recent discussion into the topic.
Additionally, it seems that Magsorc may be shoehorned into frontbarring the Master's destro again next patch, with the disastrous upcoming changes to Rune Cage. So ensuring that frontbar Arena weapons remain competitive is of renewed importance.
But masrter destro reach spam meta camed after stats were taken away from arena weapons and it was not an issue for anyone to spam reach like crazy.
I never said the prior Master Reach meta was a problem for Sorcs. There was no issue when the stats were removed in CWC, as this was compensated by giving the weapons an enchantment slot.
The current problem arose in Summerset, as Arena weapons give one less set bonus than all other weapons.
That was made pretty clear in the opening post.
Bumping this in light of recent discussion into the topic.
Additionally, it seems that Magsorc may be shoehorned into frontbarring the Master's destro again next patch, with the disastrous upcoming changes to Rune Cage. So ensuring that frontbar Arena weapons remain competitive is of renewed importance.
But masrter destro reach spam meta camed after stats were taken away from arena weapons and it was not an issue for anyone to spam reach like crazy.
I never said the prior Master Reach meta was a problem for Sorcs. There was no issue when the stats were removed in CWC, as this was compensated by giving the weapons an enchantment slot.
The current problem arose in Summerset, as Arena weapons give one less set bonus than all other weapons.
That was made pretty clear in the opening post.
Ah ok so suddenly master destro reach spam is bad because 2 handed weapons got buffed ? Get real 1 piece bonus is not game changer if You want to go into reach spam. Main reason why magsorcs dropped reach spam was because of Rune Cage changes and 2 handed weapons were just decent addition. Since most of sorcs runs willpower staff front bar currently You just choose between max magicka it gives vs pretty decent bonuses making reach effective and cheap spammable with stun which sounds fair. What You want is justr eating cake and having cake since You want to have bonus to max magicka like You would still have that willpower staff plus additionaly master destro bonuses. How about no.
Bumping this in light of recent discussion into the topic.
Additionally, it seems that Magsorc may be shoehorned into frontbarring the Master's destro again next patch, with the disastrous upcoming changes to Rune Cage. So ensuring that frontbar Arena weapons remain competitive is of renewed importance.
But masrter destro reach spam meta camed after stats were taken away from arena weapons and it was not an issue for anyone to spam reach like crazy.
I never said the prior Master Reach meta was a problem for Sorcs. There was no issue when the stats were removed in CWC, as this was compensated by giving the weapons an enchantment slot.
The current problem arose in Summerset, as Arena weapons give one less set bonus than all other weapons.
That was made pretty clear in the opening post.
Ah ok so suddenly master destro reach spam is bad because 2 handed weapons got buffed ? Get real 1 piece bonus is not game changer if You want to go into reach spam. Main reason why magsorcs dropped reach spam was because of Rune Cage changes and 2 handed weapons were just decent addition. Since most of sorcs runs willpower staff front bar currently You just choose between max magicka it gives vs pretty decent bonuses making reach effective and cheap spammable with stun which sounds fair. What You want is justr eating cake and having cake since You want to have bonus to max magicka like You would still have that willpower staff plus additionaly master destro bonuses. How about no.
The usefulness of ability altering weapons depends mostly on their special effect and not on a little bit more or less stats. Some of those weapons are still very strong - even meta- in both PvE and PvP. They pair especially well with sets that can be used on one bar only. Adding stats to those weapons won't change much. Those which are already strong and doesn't need a buff will be even stronger, others will remain useless.
...since many effects from arena weapons carry over to the other bar it naturally makes them predestinated as backbar weapons ... I don't agree that those weapons should be better than alternatives.
Bumping this in light of recent discussion into the topic.
Additionally, it seems that Magsorc may be shoehorned into frontbarring the Master's destro again next patch, with the disastrous upcoming changes to Rune Cage. So ensuring that frontbar Arena weapons remain competitive is of renewed importance.
But masrter destro reach spam meta camed after stats were taken away from arena weapons and it was not an issue for anyone to spam reach like crazy.
I never said the prior Master Reach meta was a problem for Sorcs. There was no issue when the stats were removed in CWC, as this was compensated by giving the weapons an enchantment slot.
The current problem arose in Summerset, as Arena weapons give one less set bonus than all other weapons.
That was made pretty clear in the opening post.
Ah ok so suddenly master destro reach spam is bad because 2 handed weapons got buffed ? Get real 1 piece bonus is not game changer if You want to go into reach spam. Main reason why magsorcs dropped reach spam was because of Rune Cage changes and 2 handed weapons were just decent addition. Since most of sorcs runs willpower staff front bar currently You just choose between max magicka it gives vs pretty decent bonuses making reach effective and cheap spammable with stun which sounds fair. What You want is justr eating cake and having cake since You want to have bonus to max magicka like You would still have that willpower staff plus additionaly master destro bonuses. How about no.
The day I see you running around Cyrodiil with a vacant helmet slot is the day I'll take you seriously when you claim that losing a set bonus isn't a game-changer.
There isn't even a remotely believable case against the reach-spam meta—anyone with substantial experience playing on and against a Magsorc would know that reach-spam sorc was the weakest version of the class in the past one year.
Sorcs defaulted to Master's destro simply because it was the only viable CC option. Frags lost its stun after HotR, and Rune Cage was terrible until Summerset.
Reach-spam isn't an outlier in the "arena weapons need a buff" issue; it's exemplary of it.