gethemshauna wrote: »terrasight wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »FearAndPatching wrote: »Nightblades both Stam and magicka are highest damage dealers in game by large margin right now. I’m shelfing my main (non pet mag sorc) he hits 43k self buffed rest of Summerset for my magblade.
Hard to justify playing the terrible sustain game of magsorc for less DPS when you can just go magblade deal more damage, have way better sustain, and self/group heals while damaging.
Mag sorc does 49-51k with great sustain, maybe you should do some research
lol . No way you can cross 45K in magic sorc without someone .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVb74ggycq8
No?
Noone gives a care about 3 mill cheesed parses.
terrasight wrote: »gethemshauna wrote: »terrasight wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »FearAndPatching wrote: »Nightblades both Stam and magicka are highest damage dealers in game by large margin right now. I’m shelfing my main (non pet mag sorc) he hits 43k self buffed rest of Summerset for my magblade.
Hard to justify playing the terrible sustain game of magsorc for less DPS when you can just go magblade deal more damage, have way better sustain, and self/group heals while damaging.
Mag sorc does 49-51k with great sustain, maybe you should do some research
lol . No way you can cross 45K in magic sorc without someone .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVb74ggycq8
No?
Noone gives a care about 3 mill cheesed parses.
Right... 3 Mio is not a thing these days... but a sorc stoll does good damage imo... (not my vid...found it....)
terrasight wrote: »gethemshauna wrote: »terrasight wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »FearAndPatching wrote: »Nightblades both Stam and magicka are highest damage dealers in game by large margin right now. I’m shelfing my main (non pet mag sorc) he hits 43k self buffed rest of Summerset for my magblade.
Hard to justify playing the terrible sustain game of magsorc for less DPS when you can just go magblade deal more damage, have way better sustain, and self/group heals while damaging.
Mag sorc does 49-51k with great sustain, maybe you should do some research
lol . No way you can cross 45K in magic sorc without someone .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVb74ggycq8
No?
Noone gives a care about 3 mill cheesed parses.
Right... 3 Mio is not a thing these days... but a sorc stoll does good damage imo... (not my vid...found it....)
Aside from Zaan there´s no real cheese here. Lover is optimal if you do a solo parse since you want to get as close to penetration cap as possible.
Only 3m but still self buffed magsorc parse I've seen. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fgU1JA0zbRI
Me thinks my thread has derailed a bit here guys. Was just asking whats considered top at the moment, not to having a pissing contest over dps numbers. I think any class in the right hands has the potential to do well and I was just curious as to which classes people seem to favour and all. Rolled a magblade and its heaps fun and yea, it does kick butt but then so did my magDK so again, I guess it comes down to preference doesn't it?
Only 3m but still self buffed magsorc parse I've seen. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fgU1JA0zbRI
That looks acceptable. So around 48k with melee setup and pretty much out of magicka after 3mil seems to be about max.
Priyasekarssk wrote: »Only 3m but still self buffed magsorc parse I've seen. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fgU1JA0zbRI
That looks acceptable. So around 48k with melee setup and pretty much out of magicka after 3mil seems to be about max.
I see around 45k + . That what I have most people achieve. Where is 50k+ ?
Priyasekarssk wrote: »Only 3m but still self buffed magsorc parse I've seen. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fgU1JA0zbRI
That looks acceptable. So around 48k with melee setup and pretty much out of magicka after 3mil seems to be about max.
I see around 45k + . That what I have most people achieve. Where is 50k+ ?
Marshall1289 wrote: »I don't really understand the idea that every class should be equal DPS, equal Tankiness and equal Healing, they shouldn't be the same numberwise, there should be plus sides and down sides that show real class identity.
The game started out as DK = Tank, Templar = Healer, Nightblade = Burst DPS and Sorcerer = Sustained DPS. I don't play a nightblade, but I'm fine with them being "TOP" dps as long as the other classes bring something to the table or are just a little behind. Making every class perform the same seems like a bad idea.
Obviously you can dig deeper than my simple explanation of the classes and maybe it's not accurate. To be fair I love that classes can be any role, but why should a templar have the same DPS as a nightblade doesn't make sense to me. Guess the game has changed a lot. I'm talking within 2-3k dps end game. I guess it's much more substantial then that though. I'll stick with Stamina Sorcerer's play style no matter if it's best or worst dps. I just want more options or more group support, instead of feeling like a selfish, 1 trick pony.
FearAndPatching wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »FearAndPatching wrote: »Nightblades both Stam and magicka are highest damage dealers in game by large margin right now. I’m shelfing my main (non pet mag sorc) he hits 43k self buffed rest of Summerset for my magblade.
Hard to justify playing the terrible sustain game of magsorc for less DPS when you can just go magblade deal more damage, have way better sustain, and self/group heals while damaging.
Mag sorc does 49-51k with great sustain, maybe you should do some research
If you arent aware that magnb outperform sorcs by around 4-5k then you don't really play endgame...
The highest parse I have saw out of any magsorc from a top streamer was 49k with perfected asylum. Meanwhile there are numerous magblade’s I know that don’t even have fully golded out gear and/or are missing correct traits on pieces and are still parsing 49-51k.
People need to seriously stop comparing magsorc and magblade parses without accounting for minor berserk, that just makes the situation way worse than it seems.
Live Magblade 55k solo 6mil, 57k+ with ext ele and orbs
https://i.imgur.com/p8zPqmO.png
PTS Magsorc 49k solo 6mil, 51k+ with ext ele and orbs (almost 53k solo and 55k accounting for minor berserk)
https://i.imgur.com/RN0NwgO.png
dps should only be 2-3k off solo and 5-6k off fully raid buffed. Considerable but not extremely substantial considering magblades do take heck of a lot more practice to get the hang of, which is why my magsorc still outparse 9 out of 10 magblades i encounter. But yes sure the off heal and free major expedition is sweet af.
Mag/Stamblades are bound to be gutted at some point and its not gona be because they're OP, but a natural rotation of fotm class/spec. Fact of the matter is vast majority of raid grp dps have been pretty stagnant since your average joe players rarely spends the time to master the mechanical skills required to tap into a magblade's full potential. When a class is quite literally only strong on a great player, thats not a good basis for nerfs.
I hope one of these days ppl will realize BiS gear and class/spec changes all the time, but what really sticks with you forever is your ability to LA weave and maintain a dynamic rotation, at which point it will never matter which class/spec is fotm.
People need to seriously stop comparing magsorc and magblade parses without accounting for minor berserk, that just makes the situation way worse than it seems.
Live Magblade 55k solo 6mil, 57k+ with ext ele and orbs
https://i.imgur.com/p8zPqmO.png
PTS Magsorc 49k solo 6mil, 51k+ with ext ele and orbs (almost 53k solo and 55k accounting for minor berserk)
https://i.imgur.com/RN0NwgO.png
dps should only be 2-3k off solo and 5-6k off fully raid buffed. Considerable but not extremely substantial considering magblades do take heck of a lot more practice to get the hang of, which is why my magsorc still outparse 9 out of 10 magblades i encounter. But yes sure the off heal and free major expedition is sweet af.
Mag/Stamblades are bound to be gutted at some point and its not gona be because they're OP, but a natural rotation of fotm class/spec. Fact of the matter is vast majority of raid grp dps have been pretty stagnant since your average joe players rarely spends the time to master the mechanical skills required to tap into a magblade's full potential. When a class is quite literally only strong on a great player, thats not a good basis for nerfs.
I hope one of these days ppl will realize BiS gear and class/spec changes all the time, but what really sticks with you forever is your ability to LA weave and maintain a dynamic rotation, at which point it will never matter which class/spec is fotm.
I do agree with you here that magblade is alot harder to master than magsorc, but still the whole toolkit+dps of magblades is still superior. The nightblade passives are like a dream, crit damage, crit chance, max magica, strong heals, minor berserk, major exped, major war/res, max hp THE BEST sustain ingame vs the worst and ofc 20 ulti each time they use a pot just because they are nightblades.
Im not a person that would promote a nightblade nerf.
Instead i would say buff whatever needs to be buffed in all other classes and keep nightblades as amazing they are BUT not dominant.